Hunting

Lisanew68

Can u go shooting with an air rifle in lakes?

ronn

What would you be shooting. Fish ???

jap gt

shooting what

Lisanew68

ronn wrote: »

What would you be shooting. Fish ???

Birds

Lisanew68

jap gt wrote: »

shooting what

Bird like pigeon

dodderangler

Lisanew68 wrote: »

Bird like pigeon

On a lake?

deeksofdoom

Lisanew68 wrote: »

Can u go shooting with an air rifle in lakes?

No you can't. Don't even attempt it.

Lisanew68

dodderangler wrote: »

On a lake?

Not on the lake at the lake

Mr.Woodcock

You can't shoot any game birds with an air rifle, pheasants ducks etc. u can however shoot vermin, greys crows, magpies etc. what exactly are u looking to hunt?

djflawless

I'd imagine op means shooting vermin birds in bank and surrounding areas/islands at lakes.
If I'm correct, I'd say he's perfectly within legal rights (if he has permission obviously)

pablo128

What would be the situation with shooting birds with a 'legal' air rifle? i.e. one under 1 joule? Would you still need a licence? Would it even kill a bird?

Witcher

pablo128 wrote: »

What would be the situation with shooting birds with a 'legal' air rifle? i.e. one under 1 joule? Would you still need a licence? Would it even kill a bird?

No it wouldn't.

Cass

Mr.Woodcock wrote: »

u can however shoot vermin, greys crows, magpies etc.

No such thing.

There is no Vermin List. It does not exist. Also there are almost no, if any, birds classed as vermin. They all have a season or are completely protected. Read here.

As for "guns" under one joule. Airsoft/toy forum is that way

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djflawless

pablo128 wrote: »

What would be the situation with shooting birds with a 'legal' air rifle? i.e. one under 1 joule? Would you still need a licence? Would it even kill a bird?

AFAIK under 1 joule would be considered airsoft and so wouldn't be even looked at regards hunting uses

pablo128

djflawless wrote: »

AFAIK under 1 joule would be considered airsoft and so wouldn't be even looked at regards hunting uses

Thanks. I'd like to go shooting using an air rifle, but I doubt if I'd get a licence. That puts that idea to bed anyway.

djflawless

pablo128 wrote: »

Thanks. I'd like to go shooting using an air rifle, but I doubt if I'd get a licence. That puts that idea to bed anyway.

Don't take my word for truth its just as far as I know
And don't give up on getting a licence. As long as you have no major convictions you should be OK.be persistent. That's what i had to do starting out!!

pablo128

djflawless wrote: »

Don't take my word for truth its just as far as I know
And don't give up on getting a licence. As long as you have no major convictions you should be OK.be persistent. That's what i had to do starting out!!

I might have been a bit bold in my youth....;)

djflawless

Same as me self but prove to the guards youve changed your ways (I hope )
Other than that you may buy a PlayStation 2 and "cabela's big game hunter" :P

pablo128

djflawless wrote: »

Same as me self but prove to the guards youve changed your ways (I hope )
Other than that you may buy a PlayStation 2 and "cabela's big game hunter" :P

Thanks.I'm a model citizen now, so I am. I might just apply for it. Whats the worst they could say?:)

djflawless

Now your talking. Get your permissions/gun club membership sorted.into your RdF and put a deposit on something nice.
And then to your local gaurd station for some "yes sir, no sir, how many bags full sir"

Lisanew68

Mr.Woodcock wrote: »

You can't shoot any game birds with an air rifle, pheasants ducks etc. u can however shoot vermin, greys crows, magpies etc. what exactly are u looking to hunt?

What about pigeon

Jonty

Lisanew68 wrote: »

What about pigeon

Pigeon is considered a game bird

Mr.Woodcock

Cass wrote:

u can however shoot vermin, greys crows, magpies etc.

No such thing.

There is no Vermin List. It does not exist. Also there are almost no, if any, birds classed as vermin. They all have a season or are completely protected. Read here.

As for "guns" under one joule. Airsoft/toy forum is that way >

Thanks for correction on that cass! I was going by an old scorecard the gun club handed out with aforementioned birds classed as such

Cass

That was not actually meant to be as gruff as it might read. It was not directed solely at yo either.

We all use the term vermin. It's common practice the same as the term FO (firearms officer). Neither of these things are an actual item/person.

My comment(s) were meant to highlight the fact that most, if not all birds, are either protected or have a season. Even those considered as vermin. Magpie, crow, pigeon, etc. All have their own season as i outlined above (with a link to the relevant seasons).

They can be shot under derogation, but that is another kettle of fish.

I'll have to check it out, but most birds cannot be shot with a rifle. Pheasant, Duck etc. As said i'll have to check it for crow, pigeon, etc. However the questions above about using a toy (and however you cut it BB guns are toys) for hunting, trying to license a toy as firearm, etc. need to be answered clearly and concisely. You cannot license a toy (cannot be done) & you cannot use one for hunting (ineffective).

cookimonster

This is the regulation :
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/1986/en/si/0254.html

S.I. No. 254/1986:
EUROPEAN COMMUNITIES (WILDLIFE ACT, 1976) (AMENDMENT) REGULATIONS, 1986.

The minister issues an declaration yearly and lists the species and threat and the lawful way to deal with them:

SECOND SCHEDULE

Shooting with rifle or shotgun.

Poisoned or anaesthetic bait.

Cage traps with or without live decoys.

Traps, snares or nets approved under the Wildlife Act, 1976 (Approved Traps, Snares and Nets) Regulations, 1977 ( S.I. No. 307 of 1977 ).

Parts of 2014 declaration

Birdnuts

Large elements of older legislation like the 1986 wildlife act mentioned above, are now out of date ,and have been superceeded by the provisions of the derogations signed off yearly by the minister under the EU birds directive. For example the use of poison bait to control crows,magpies etc. is now no longer permitted.

The current derogation can be found on the link below

http://www.countrysideallianceireland.org/file/Declaration_for_May_2014-April_2015_State_Wide.pdf

Understandibly people get a bit confused given the plethora of legislation over the years covering this area. However the 2014/15 derogation is the final say on this matter in terms of the species that can be controlled and the methods of control permitted.

cookimonster

'Large elements of older legislation like the1986 wildlife act mentioned above,are now out of date'

Not quite right, the link posted in my last post is the current regulation from the Government web site. If you read the yearly declaration it only covers a period ie 2014-2015 and expires after that. The declaration is a temporary measure not intended to be permanent and may not be issued at a future date.

Taken from the SI:

EXPLANATORY NOTE.

These Regulations amend certain provisions of the Wildlife Act, 1976 , which obtain to the control of species of wild bird which may cause damage or injury to specified interests. The Regulations empower the Minister for Tourism, Fisheries and Forestry to declare that any or all of the species of wild birds mentioned in the First Schedule thereto may be captured or killed by the means, arrangements or methods set out in the Second Schedule where they represent a threat to public health or safety or are likely to cause damage or injury to crops, livestock, fisheries, forestry or fauna. The Regulations also empower the Minister to declare that any species of wild bird may be captured or killed where he is of the opinion that such species may represent a threat to air safety.

Birdnuts

cookimonster wrote: »

'Large elements of older legislation like the1986 wildlife act mentioned above,are now out of date'

Not quite right, the link posted in my last post is the current regulation from the Government web site. If you read the yearly declaration it only covers a period ie 2014-2015 and expires after that. The declaration is a temporary measure not intended to be permanent and may not be issued at a future date.

Taken from the SI:

EXPLANATORY NOTE.

These Regulations amend certain provisions of the Wildlife Act, 1976 , which obtain to the control of species of wild bird which may cause damage or injury to specified interests. The Regulations empower the Minister for Tourism, Fisheries and Forestry to declare that any or all of the species of wild birds mentioned in the First Schedule thereto may be captured or killed by the means, arrangements or methods set out in the Second Schedule where they represent a threat to public health or safety or are likely to cause damage or injury to crops, livestock, fisheries, forestry or fauna. The Regulations also empower the Minister to declare that any species of wild bird may be captured or killed where he is of the opinion that such species may represent a threat to air safety.

I'm aware that Goverment websites refer to all the primary pieces of legislation that have been on the statute books - some of them dating back to Georgian times.

However my point was that all the wildlife acts have been amended in recent years to reflect the provisons of the EU Birds Directive which has now been fully adopted by Ireland. Under this Directive all birds are protected. However as you mention the minster is entitled to issue the derogations which I referred to earlier allowing the control of certain species under certain circumstances. In theory these are temporary measures. In reality these derogations are allways rolled over year on year and more importantly when issued are the final word when it comes to the law in this area.

cookimonster

Birdnuts,
Absolutely agree with you:

In reality these derogations are allways rolled over year on year and more importantly when issued are the final word when it comes to the law in this area.


But Interested parties need to be aware of up dates and changes as with all regulations ignorance is no defence.

IRLConor

It doesn't matter what type of bird you're shooting at. Section 33 of the Wildlife Act clearly says that you can't shoot any wild bird with any of the following firearms:

• repeating or automatic shotguns containing more than 3 cartridges
• airgun
• air-rifle
• gas-rifle
• pistol or revolver
• any firearm fitted with a silencer device

Unless section 33 has been amended since 2000 and I haven't heard of it, of course!

cookimonster

IRLConor wrote: »

It doesn't matter what type of bird you're shooting at. Section 33 of the Wildlife Act clearly says that you can't shoot any wild bird with any of the following firearms:

• repeating or automatic shotguns containing more than 3 cartridges
• airgun
• air-rifle
• gas-rifle
• pistol or revolver
• any firearm fitted with a silencer device

Unless section 33 has been amended since 2000 and I haven't heard of it, of course!

Download via Birdnuts link:

http://www.countrysideallianceireland.org/file/Declaration_for_May_2014-April_2015_State_Wide.pdf

See right-hand column ref fire arms etc and rifle is stated as a legal means.