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FullblownRose

jh79 wrote: »

So to back up your claim that the medicinal benefits of garlic are fact and proven you provide a link that say it has potential??

Prove your claim which you so boldly made in the first place, when you said Garlic has NO medicinal benefits!

The link includes studies that showed drastic reductions in tumours for one thing, so you might consider readng it properly and having a think before demanding links faster than you can read through one.

FullblownRose

FullblownRose wrote: »

Prove your claim which you so boldly made in the first place, when you said Garlic has NO medicinal benefits!

The link includes studies that showed drastic reductions in tumours for one thing, so you might consider readng it properly and having a think before demanding links faster than you can read through one.

However, an NCCAM-funded study on the safety and effectiveness of three garlic preparations (fresh garlic, dried powdered garlic tablets, and aged garlic extract tablets) for lowering blood cholesterol levels found no effect.

A clinical trial on the long-term use of garlic supplements to prevent stomach cancer found no effect.

http://nccam.nih.gov/health/garlic/ataglance.htm

Your turn, some clinical trial of garlic in its natural state showing medicinal properties please?

FullblownRose

FullblownRose wrote: »

The links I posted are about further investigation into the already accepted and proven fact that garlic has medicinal benefits. Specifically that it is powerfully antioxidant. I've no idea who the people in your link are but over the years I've read a number of books on this stuff and they provide the source of the results of the studies that prove the benefits of garlic. They're not mystical new age type books, in case you're wondering. SO, I'm confident in what I am saying, and will leave it at that.

Here's one I came across, with studies on garlic and different cancer types, mixed results, some seem to be very good,:

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Prevention/garlic-and-cancer-prevention

The National Cancer Institute, part of the National Institutes of Health, does not recommend any dietary supplement for the prevention of cancer, but recognizes garlic as one of several vegetables with potential anticancer properties. Because all garlic preparations are not the same, it is difficult to determine the exact amount of garlic that may be needed to reduce cancer risk. Furthermore, the active compounds present in garlic may lose their effectiveness with time, handling, and processing. The World Health Organization’s (WHO) guidelines for general health promotion for adults is a daily dose of 2 to 5 g of fresh garlic (approximately one clove), 0.4 to 1.2 g of dried garlic powder, 2 to 5 mg of garlic oil, 300 to 1,000 mg of garlic extract, or other formulations that are equal to 2 to 5 mg of allicin

You left a bit out;

What are the current issues and controversies surrounding the use of garlic in cancer prevention?


Study limitations, including the accuracy of reporting the amounts and frequency of garlic consumed, and the inability to compare data from studies that used different garlic products and amounts make an overall conclusion about garlic and cancer prevention extremely difficult. Since many of the studies looking at garlic use and cancer prevention have used multi-ingredient products, it is unclear whether garlic alone or in combination with other nutritional components may have the greatest effect.

Well-designed dietary studies in humans using predetermined amounts of garlic (intervention studies) are needed to determine potentially effective intakes. Studies directly comparing various garlic preparations are also needed.

Forgot this was the ebola thread so will leave it at that, there is another thread on the fraud that is natural remedies and complimentary medicines.

enno99

Kesselly Barracks Deserted

At least eight soldiers, among them two commissioned officers and two medical staff, have reportedly lost their lives to the deadly Ebola virus disease (EVD), the Daily Observer has reliably learnt.

Those victimized by the EVD have been identified as, Private (PVT) Calvin Sackie, Corporals (Cpls) Florson Louise, Fanbiman Samuel, and Private First Class (Pfc) Anthony Sheriff.

Others are Sergeant (Sgt) Kromah, who was assigned as the Armed Forces of Liberia (AFL) medic and another medic from the Ministry of National Defense (MOD) identified as Annitta Sackie.

The two commissioned officers victimized by the EVD were up to press time not named.

The deceased, according to our source, contracted Ebola recently at the Edward Binyan Kesseley (EBK) Barracks when a lady unsuspected of carrying the disease, visited one of the victims, Cpl Floson Louise.

http://www.liberianobserver.com/news/ebola-kills-8-soldiers


Ebola, AIDS Manufactured by Western Pharmaceuticals, US DoD?

SITES AROUND AFRICA, AND IN WEST AFRICA, HAVE OVER THE YEARS BEEN SET UP FOR TESTING EMERGING DISEASES, ESPECIALLY EBOLA

The World Health Organization (WHO) and several other UN Agencies have been implicated in selecting and enticing African countries to participate in the testing events, promoting vaccinations, but pursuing various testing regiments. The August 2, 2014 article, West Africa: What are US Biological Warfare Researchers Doing in the Ebola Zone? by Jon Rappoport of Global Research pinpoints the problem that is facing African governments


http://www.liberianobserver.com/security/ebola-aids-manufactured-western-pharmaceuticals-us-dod




UPDATE 2-UK to send troops, aircraft and ship to tackle Ebola in Sierra Leone

Oct 8 (Reuters) - Britain is sending extra troops, aircraft and a naval vessel to Sierra Leone to help stem the spread of the Ebola virus, Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said following a meeting of the government's emergency response committee.

Prime Minster David Cameron chaired a meeting of the committee in an effort to assuage growing public concern about the spread of the deadly virus to Europe.


http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/08/health-ebola-britain-idUSL6N0S33O720141008


The U.S. military will send 3,000 troops to the heart of the Ebola outbreak in Liberia and devote air assets to delivering medical supplies and personnel as part of a stepped up effort to battle the epidemic that has claimed more than 2,100 lives in West Africa, the White House announced late Monday night.

U.S. Africa Command will coordinate the response that will be led by a general officer from U.S. Army Africa and will operate from a Joint Force Command to be set up in Monrovia, the Liberian capital. The general who will lead the effort was not named

http://www.military.com/daily-news/2014/09/16/us-sending-3000-troops-to-liberia-to-battle-ebola.html



How will they be welcomed if people believe what they read in the local press

Torakx

enno99 wrote: »

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There is a thread here might interest you


http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread1028709/pg1

Thanks Enno. That is some useful info on Ebola.
I guess the next step is to find out why the virus causes this immune system response.
My own way to combat viruses and infection is firstly not feed them.
Then use antivirals to kill off the population while it is still getting started.
I guess if it gets past the flu stage of the Ebola virus, it's too late.
But I am wondering if a low carb/sugar diet before getting the virus, combined with antivirals would be enough to combat the onset of Ebola.

To jh79 regarding my garlic obsession
I don't know, it's just super usefull for somany things. It's saved me frominfections somany times over the last 5 years. Where normally I would have been put on antibiotics, which are the main reason I am so ill these days.
In such a situation I think its natural to want to investigate and use this herb.

You can throw science at me all day, but if a process works I am probably going to default to that when no other option has proven tobe safer or better.

Last year I went to the dentist to get a bad tooth pulled. I wasn't allowed get it out until the infection was gone, sotheygave me a prescription for anti biotics. I used grape seed extract instead and Garlic stuffed into the tooth.
The infection was killed off in 2 days and I had no pain in my tooth!
Call it a placebo if you like. But if thatplacebohelps with this stuff i am happy to use it again and again to save my immune system being damaged more.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2263113/Will-50-cloves-garlic-kill-cold--just-love-life.html
This article might highlight why there are not much in the way of scientific studies from authorities.

Torakx

Torakx wrote: »

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2263113/Will-50-cloves-garlic-kill-cold--just-love-life.html
This article might highlight why there are not much in the way of scientific studies from authorities.

This argument holds no water, a huge amount of FDA approved patented pharma compounds are from natural sources.

The fact is natural products in their natural state rarely if ever have medicinal effects . Studies from NCAAM confirm this all the time (much to their disappointment).

Torakx

Torakx wrote: »

To jh79 regarding my garlic obsession
I don't know, it's just super usefull for somany things. It's saved me frominfections somany times over the last 5 years. Where normally I would have been put on antibiotics, which are the main reason I am so ill these days.
In such a situation I think its natural to want to investigate and use this herb.

You can throw science at me all day, but if a process works I am probably going to default to that when no other option has proven tobe safer or better.

Last year I went to the dentist to get a bad tooth pulled. I wasn't allowed get it out until the infection was gone, sotheygave me a prescription for anti biotics. I used grape seed extract instead and Garlic stuffed into the tooth.
The infection was killed off in 2 days and I had no pain in my tooth!
Call it a placebo if you like. But if thatplacebohelps with this stuff i am happy to use it again and again to save my immune system being damaged more.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2263113/Will-50-cloves-garlic-kill-cold--just-love-life.html
This article might highlight why there are not much in the way of scientific studies from authorities.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3721181/

So how does the above review tally with your theory that big pharmacy ignores natural products because they can't patent them ?

enno99

jh79 wrote: »

This argument holds no water, a huge amount of FDA approved patented pharma compounds are from natural sources.

The fact is natural products in their natural state rarely if ever have medicinal effects . Studies from NCAAM confirm this all the time (much to their disappointment).

Opium been used for thousands of years

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

Opium been used for thousands of years

Not in it's natural state?

enno99

jh79 wrote: »

Not in it's natural state?

Opium is obtained from the opium poppy (papaver somniferum) by scraping the unripe seed capsule, and then collecting and drying the rubbery exudate. The name opium comes from the Greek opion, or poppy juice. It is important as a painkilling drug in its own right, but it is also the source of other analgesic drugs such as morphine and heroin.


Mankind had discovered the use of opium by the time of the earliest written records. In fact, the first recorded use of opium as a painkiller was around 6000 years ago by the Sumerians, and Babylonian and Egyptian writings contain many references to the value of opium preparations for the relief of pain.

http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/mim/drugs/html/morphine_text.htm

It will relieve pain in its natural state

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

Opium is obtained from the opium poppy (papaver somniferum) by scraping the unripe seed capsule, and then collecting and drying the rubbery exudate. The name opium comes from the Greek opion, or poppy juice. It is important as a painkilling drug in its own right, but it is also the source of other analgesic drugs such as morphine and heroin.


Mankind had discovered the use of opium by the time of the earliest written records. In fact, the first recorded use of opium as a painkiller was around 6000 years ago by the Sumerians, and Babylonian and Egyptian writings contain many references to the value of opium preparations for the relief of pain.

http://www.ch.ic.ac.uk/rzepa/mim/drugs/html/morphine_text.htm

It will relieve pain in its natural state

And led to the development of the opiate family of patented drugs, so you just proved that the idea that big pharma ignores natural remedies, because they can't patent them, is flawed.

enno99

jh79 wrote: »

And led to the development of the opiate family of patented drugs, so you just proved that the idea that big pharma ignores natural remedies, because they can't patent them, is flawed.

The fact is natural products in their natural state rarely if ever have medicinal effects . Studies from NCAAM confirm this all the time (much to their disappointment).

No Ive just shown you where the above statement is false


Nobody said they ignore them they just wont condone them until they can profit from them
Whats the profit from painkillers ?

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

No Ive just shown you where the above statement is false


Nobody said they ignore them they just wont condone them until they can profit from them
Whats the profit from painkillers ?

No you haven't "rarely if ever" I said.

Which do you think has greater efficacy natural opiates or big pharma produced opiates?

enno99

jh79 wrote: »

No you haven't "rarely if ever" I said.

Which do you think has greater efficacy natural opiates or big pharma produced opiates?

I apologize you did


Both will relieve pain whats your point

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

I apologize you did


Both will relieve pain whats your point

Natural products already have a place in medicine generally as a source for active compounds that can be extracted, mimicked synthetically or improved upon synthetically to give a consistent medicinal product.

This faddish return to old wives tails is not medicine .

enno99

jh79 wrote: »

Natural products already have a place in medicine generally as a source for active compounds that can be extracted, mimicked synthetically or improved upon synthetically to give a consistent medicinal product.

This faddish return to old wives tails is not medicine .

And on what basis do they start exploring these natural products

Do they look in to natural products that are known to have some healing properties

Not like an apple a day keeps the doctor away ok lets test apples

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

And on what basis do they start exploring these natural products

Do they look in to natural products that are known to have some healing properties

Not like an apple a day keeps the doctor away ok lets test apples

Well they can't be known to have healing powers when they haven't been tested.

Your apple a day analogy isn't too far off.

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

And on what basis do they start exploring these natural products

Do they look in to natural products that are known to have some healing properties

Not like an apple a day keeps the doctor away ok lets test apples

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pharmacognosy

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_product

GetWithIt

Thread disappoints. I've gone back through 3 pages (on mobile) and nothing about the Ebola virus and any conspiracy.

Garlic? Unless it repels the hoards of Ebola zombies as well as the more common undead I'll save it for the kitchen.

enno99

jh79 wrote: »

Well they can't be known to have healing powers when they haven't been tested.

Your apple a day analogy isn't too far off.

I said healing properties

So basically its lets take an old wives tale tweak it a bit and see can we market it

enno99

GetWithIt wrote: »

Thread disappoints. I've gone back through 3 pages (on mobile) and nothing about the Ebola virus and any conspiracy.

Garlic? Unless it repels the hoards of Ebola zombies as well as the more common undead I'll save it for the kitchen.

Whats your take on it ?

enno99

enno99 wrote: »

I said healing properties

So basically its lets take an old wives tale tweak it a bit and see can we market it

Tweak it a little bit? Turn it into actual effective medicine .

Healing properties is very vague, so not medicinal properties then? How do these properties differ?

enno99

jh79 wrote: »

Tweak it a little bit? Turn it into actual effective medicine .

Healing properties is very vague, so not medicinal properties then? How do these properties differ?

poster above is right its probably for another thread

jh79

jh79 wrote: »

Tweak it a little bit? Turn it into actual effective medicine .

Healing properties is very vague, so not medicinal properties then? How do these properties differ?

Without the "tweaking" they have no medicinal benefits.

degrassinoel

GetWithIt wrote: »

Thread disappoints. I've gone back through 3 pages (on mobile) and nothing about the Ebola virus and any conspiracy.

Garlic? Unless it repels the hoards of Ebola zombies as well as the more common undead I'll save it for the kitchen.

fair point, stay on topic please folks, or visit the food and drink forum.

enno99

Seán Sherlock

My visit took me to the front line of the Ebola response. At an Ebola Command Centre, I saw staff stretched to their limits, working to log new cases on simple white boards. They are struggling to keep track of this devastating epidemic with extremely rudimentary tools and systems.

I heard the frustration in the voices of the local community, left scared and hopeless by the time it is taking for sufferers to be diagnosed and for the bodies of victims to be removed.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/ebola-crisis-demands-a-stronger-more-co-ordinated-international-response-1.1958185

Cant think of anything to say

euroboom13

jh79 wrote: »

Natural products already have a place in medicine generally as a source for active compounds that can be extracted, mimicked synthetically or improved upon synthetically to give a consistent medicinal product.

This faddish return to old wives tails is not medicine .

You are a fool, if you believe these few years of modern medicine have overruled the teachings of eons, my friend.

If you feed your children drugs, because you believe big pharma loves them like you do, you are a bigger fool.

And maybe you haven`t read what aspirin may have done to flu victims in 1918.If you did read something of it with an open mind you might not be charging ahead with big pharma.

euroboom13

jh79 wrote: »

This argument holds no water, a huge amount of FDA approved patented pharma compounds are from natural sources.

The fact is natural products in their natural state rarely if ever have medicinal effects . Studies from NCAAM confirm this all the time (much to their disappointment).

You are reading too much self praising.

I am sure Irish water would like us to believe that rain water is harmful to us, and treated water improves us.

euroboom13

Sorry, i apologies

jh79
I was in no way personally calling you a fool.(you are very knowledgeable )

I was merely pointing out the dangers of excepting facts, just because it would seem validated by modern science.(like people to question all, not just unvalidated)

After reading it back I see how it might sound, and it was not my intention.

Thanks