Is the Irish Independent the most right wing paper in the country?

BazPM

It seems that the Irish independent has a very conservative, right wing and anti immigrant agenda. The paper dedicates a disproportionate amount of coverage to immigrants and it's one of the few publications that feels the need to consistently state whether the accused or perpetrator is foreign national or not in any article. The comments section on the independent is something to behold. Look at the comments on this article for example http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/dublin-dad-elected-as-mayor-of-tripoli-in-libya-30492455.html#sthash.YQxJ6vjI

the paper was also very pro Israeli and even today had a headline about a 10 year old Palestinian being shot dead with a picture of an unrelated Palestinian child carrying a fake rifle with a Hamas headband.

What are people's opinions?

FierceMild

If Independent bothers you OP, then you should get a copy of Alive!

catallus

Best horoscopes in the country!

I've only started reading Alive! recently since a poster on here was advertising it, and it is great!

AnonoBoy

Is the Mail not more right wing?

ComputerKing

The independent is an absolute rag.

wazky

The Farmers Journal is, followed by Nazi Publications weekly.

Shakespeare's Sister

It's pretty right-leaning in places yeh - mad for entrepreneurs, hates public sector/semi-states, Sir Tony is mad for the Israeli government, anti nationalism (in relation to N.I.) and flogged a pro Bush administration agenda back in the day. The first two... I don't know that they are right-wing ideologies in and of themselves, but they do tend to be embraced by blindly right-wing people. John Waters now writes for it.

Don't know about it being the most right-wing paper in the country though.

bboybaboy19

catallus wrote: »

Best horoscopes in the country!

I've only started reading Alive! recently since a poster on here was advertising it, and it is great!

Man you must be a professional troll..or really old.

Shakespeare's Sister

Well Alive! is good for a laugh in fairness.

catallus

bboybaboy19 wrote: »

Man you must be a professional troll..or really old.

Just to clarify: The indo has pretty good horoscopes, not Alive!

Manach

It would seem that people have certain standards for papers
- does it agree with my world view, implies a true and trusted media outlet of the highest calibre
- if not, a rag.

Given how much in editions past the Independent had raillied against certain sections of the institutions of the state, to call it conservative might be a stretch.

Macavity.

I don't know about "most right wing", it just seems like a very unreliable paper with poor quality journalism. A lot of news stories with key details left out, and in some cases just lies (eg. the rabbit who wasn't really dead, which begs the question; why was there a story about a rabbit in the first place?)

B0jangles

The Indo is just a rag, plain and simple.

A couple of weeks ago they ran an opinion piece about so-called "creepshots" and the blatant objectification of random women on various websites, while simultanously running at least 4 other articles which were entirely about the bra-state and and visibility of Kim Kardashian's breasts.

Turtwig

Alive magazine. Would have thought this would have been fairly obvious. Independent is a bag of shyte. It's not the most right wing though.

michael999999

I wouldn't give Denis o Brien a cent of my money!

catallus

You forgot the exclamation point (!) after the word Alive.

It's Alive!

Turtwig

catallus wrote: »

You forgot the exclamation point (!) after the word Alive.

It's Alive!

No it's not it's clearly inanimate. Just paper, nothing more.

catallus

Turtwig wrote: »

No it's not it's clearly inanimate. Just paper, nothing more.

Sigh.

What about the message inside!? Then it might be considered to be a thing that invigorates the mind of living things?

Would that not be considered to be Alive! in a sense?

Donkey Oaty

Alive! is left-wing, surely? It is in favour of state-control, or common ownership, over a woman's body rather than that individual's choice.

Magaggie

Magaggie wrote: »

John Waters now writes for it.

Kind of says it all, really.

MRnotlob606

The Irish Independent, hasn't been such a waste of paper since the last dysentery epidemic.

dsmythy

So what if it is. Variety is best.

Cantremember

I haven't read a newspaper for years. I get all the cat stories I want on Reddit.

maxwell smart

Magaggie wrote: »

It's pretty right-leaning in places yeh - mad for entrepreneurs, hates public sector/semi-states, Sir Tony is mad for the Israeli government, anti nationalism (in relation to N.I.) and flogged a pro Bush administration agenda back in the day.

Just to clarify, you know Anto has bugger all to do with it now ever since he picked a knife fight with a fella with a bazooka? (Denis)

My name is URL

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Alive! is left-wing, surely? It is in favour of state-control, or common ownership, over a woman's body rather than that individual's choice.

Authoritarianism exist on both sides of the spectrum.

http://www.educationforum.co.uk/sociology_2/Political_chart.jpg

Awkward Badger

Its a rag but its not right wing or pro Israel. In fact the Israeli embassy press chief sent in a letter to the editor accusing them and all other Irish media of having a sheer hatred for Israel.

Then again the Israeli embassy staff are extreme right wing nutjobs.

Hatred behind criticism

It needs to be asked why people never get emotional and righteousness about other conflicts in the world, only whenever a conflict involves Israel. Over the past three years hundreds of thousands of Muslims Arabs have been killed by other Muslim Arabs and the ancient Christian communities in the Arab world have been systematically destroyed. Yet the letters pages of Irish newspapers have been empty about all that.

Also, thousands of Palestinians have been killed in Syria in recent years, yet nothing has been said about that either. One can only conclude that such people have only one motive: sheer hatred of Israel.

Dr Derek O'Flynn, Embassy of Israel

Corkfeen

catallus wrote: »

Sigh.

What about the message inside!? Then it might be considered to be a thing that invigorates the mind of living things?

Would that not be considered to be Alive! in a sense?

That's a unique description of bolloxology.

Hootanany

BazPM wrote: »

It seems that the Irish independent has a very conservative, right wing and anti immigrant agenda. The paper dedicates a disproportionate amount of coverage to immigrants and it's one of the few publications that feels the need to consistently state whether the accused or perpetrator is foreign national or not in any article. The comments section on the independent is something to behold. Look at the comments on this article for example http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/dublin-dad-elected-as-mayor-of-tripoli-in-libya-30492455.html#sthash.YQxJ6vjI

the paper was also very pro Israeli and even today had a headline about a 10 year old Palestinian being shot dead with a picture of an unrelated Palestinian child carrying a fake rifle with a Hamas headband.

What are people's opinions?

All hail the dogooders

Shakespeare's Sister

Hootanany wrote: »

All hail the dogooders

Wtf is this sh-t?

Shakespeare's Sister

One can only conclude that such people have only one motive: sheer hatred of Israel.

Dr Derek O'Flynn, Embassy of Israel

Wouldn't you think a diplomat would actually write like an adult instead of a whingey teenager.

efb

Its trying to out mail the Mail

spook_house

its a pretty poor paper but not because its centre right , the financial times is centre right yet is a good paper

a decent right of centre newspaper would be welcome in ireland to counter the centre left editorial of the irish times and rte

Talib Fiasco

Got a serious craving for BBQ chicken wings now like...

Annasopra

Donkey Oaty wrote: »

Alive! is left-wing, surely? It is in favour of state-control, or common ownership, over a woman's body rather than that individual's choice.

Oh dear...

spook_house

alive is not comparable on any level as its a religous publication in the same way the farmers journal doesnt focus on politics or global affairs outside its own specific focus

catallus

In fairness, The FJ has a pretty wide editorial scope in relation to global affairs.

No Pants

I don't know OP, has anyone thought to ask Rosanna Davison for her opinion?

DarkyHughes

Well Kevin Myers writes for it & he's to the right of Mussolini.

Shakespeare's Sister

I'd call Myers centre-right. John Waters though...

tritium

Macavity. wrote: »

I don't know about "most right wing", it just seems like a very unreliable paper with poor quality journalism. A lot of news stories with key details left out, and in some cases just lies (eg. the rabbit who wasn't really dead, which begs the question; why was there a story about a rabbit in the first place?)

Very few Irish papers would be considered reliable or truthful. They just don't get caught out very often. Occasionally one of the overdoes it, e.g. the IT with their 'first Irish abortion'story and has to grovel a bit but usually they get away with it.

Most Irish media has a slant, just depends on how much you agree with that slant. I'm sure many in do and IT readers would argue their paper is bang on centre even though both statements can't really be true.

Kermit.de.frog

The Irish Times left wing bias is far more blatant than the Independent's right wing bias imo.

PopePalpatine

Magaggie wrote: »

I'd call Myers centre-right. John Waters though...

How far to the right is "borderline-Dark Enlightenment"?

spook_house

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Well Kevin Myers writes for it & he's to the right of Mussolini.

good writer though

catallus

PopePalpatine wrote: »

How far to the right is "borderline-Dark Enlightenment"?

An interesting question!

One would have to burrow deep into a mind-set so bereft of original penetrating ideas that it has to set up a whole quasi-structure of imagined enemies that gives it a raison d'etre?

spook_house

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Irish Times left wing bias is far more blatant than the Independent's right wing bias imo.

yes but left of centre journalism is the mainstream in ireland

spook_house

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

The Irish Times left wing bias is far more blatant than the Independent's right wing bias imo.

the irish times is the labour party in print , rte is the labour party in sound and pictures

( socilism which lives in a nice part of town )

Shakespeare's Sister

And then others say RTE is right-wing. Guess it depends on your bias.

pauliebdub

I'd say narrow minded, populist and sensationalist rather than particularly conservative. It's such a pile of ****e, we are very poorly serviced here media wise.

jimgoose

Right-wing? The Independent is the most harmless, middle-of-the-road, pro-whatever the government is at publication I've ever wiped my arse with.

spook_house

Magaggie wrote: »

And then others say RTE is right-wing. Guess it depends on your bias.

im trying hard to fathom how rte is right wing in any sense , its not radical left or anything close to it and its hard on sinn fein but it most certainly exudes that mary robinson kind of sensibilities , politically correct on all the vaguely controversial topical issues

spook_house

pauliebdub wrote: »

I'd say narrow minded, populist and sensationalist rather than particularly conservative. It's such a pile of ****e, we are very poorly serviced here media wise.

agree , the media here is at best lazy , at worst slavish

rte were scandalously slow in doing their job when it came to the garda mc cabe and wilson story a few months ago , they may as well have been working for the garda press office