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Serephucus

Some Kaby Lake stuff has shown up for laptops (just U-Series stuff), and I think desktop stuff is Q1 next year. From the reviews so far, it's the usual "meh".

Zen is supposed to be Q1/H1 (not sure on the latest).

Cuddlesworth

ShadowHearth wrote: »

That "rig" looks horrible. I am pretty sure few weeks in it will be a dusty mess and a pain in a hole to clean.
I might be out of touch with what people find fashionable, but for me it was always a clean, "less details the better" cases.

on other topic: when we would expect Skylake replacement? Zen shouldn't be that far away too? Really would be tempted to upgrade my 2500k, but don't want to go Skylake with new shiny not that far off.

Lian Li. Buy a case, keep it for well over a decade.

ShadowHearth

Cuddlesworth wrote: »

Lian Li. Buy a case, keep it for well over a decade.

I still have my corsair 500r and I love it. Nice clean, no stupid deformations like some cases have a look of "pc master jet engine" crap.

If I would go with new case it would be one of those mini cube cases. They are so cute!

So new Intel cpu will be the usual refresh of tiny bit performance added and a bigger first number? Hopefully amd will not drop the ball again and show something decent with zen or at very least make Intel to open its closet and throw something better at us.
All in all looks like nothing exciting until way late in to Q1 of next year.

Cuddlesworth

ShadowHearth wrote: »

So new Intel cpu will be the usual refresh of tiny bit performance added and a bigger first number? Hopefully amd will not drop the ball again and show something decent with zen or at very least make Intel to open its closet and throw something better at us.
All in all looks like nothing exciting until way late in to Q1 of next year.

I want to believe. Leaks indicate that Zen is clock for clock close to current intel IPC. But it all depends on yields and initial clock speed.

TheDoc

Just saw the launch of the Sennheiser GSP 300. €100 for what appears to be a top quality Sennheiser gaming headset.

Considering I was about to drop close to €200 on their Gaming One platform, I'm eagerly awaiting some early reviews to come out.

Think my Steelseries Sibera's have run their course after like 8 years of use

Headshot

Ever come across a server failing to boot with a dvd drive with an iso using UEFI where as booting up with legacy, the dvd is recognised along with the iso

dunworth1

Headshot wrote: »

Ever come across a server failing to boot with a dvd drive with an iso using UEFI where as booting up with legacy, the dvd is recognised along with the iso

unless the iso is uefi compatible its not going to boot unless in legacy mode

john the one

Anyone mess with God mode on windows 10?

Might try mess everything up tomorrow afternoon. See what cool things I can do.

um7y1h83ge06nx

Didn't want to create a new thread just for this - what's the average price of a "good" gaming PC self build? By "good" I mean a step or two below cutting edge where maybe some good value can be found.

Have a PS4 and Xbox One but all this confusion with new console hardware (PS4, PS4 Pro, Scorpio) is making me interested in PC gaming again.

Digital Solitude

Zaid Brief Slammer wrote: »

Didn't want to create a new thread just for this - what's the average price of a "good" gaming PC self build? By "good" I mean a step or two below cutting edge where maybe some good value can be found.

Have a PS4 and Xbox One but all this confusion with new console hardware (PS4, PS4 Pro, Scorpio) is making me interested in PC gaming again.

€800-1000

um7y1h83ge06nx

Digital Solitude wrote: »

€800-1000

That's not too bad, was expecting more.

That might be the avenue I will go down rather than a PS4 Pro or a Scorpio.

Plus messing about building a PC is way better craic than hooking up a console.

Built a few gaming PCs for myself and a few friends about 10 years ago, time to brush up on the current state of affairs.

Serephucus

Digital Solitude wrote: »

€800-1000

Not needing a monitor and Redditing Windows knocks this down by €200 as well.

K.O.Kiki

Zaid Brief Slammer wrote: »

That's not too bad, was expecting more.

That might be the avenue I will go down rather than a PS4 Pro or a Scorpio.

Plus messing about building a PC is way better craic than hooking up a console.

Built a few gaming PCs for myself and a few friends about 10 years ago, time to brush up on the current state of affairs.

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: Intel Core i5-6500 3.2GHz Quad-Core Processor (€202.84 @ Mindfactory)
Motherboard: ASRock Z170M Pro4S Micro ATX LGA1151 Motherboard (€103.59 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 16GB (2 x 8GB) DDR4-3000 Memory (€86.99 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Crucial MX300 275GB 2.5" Solid State Drive (€71.89 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Storage: Hitachi Ultrastar 7K3000 2TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive (€73.67 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 1060 6GB 6GB 6GT OC Video Card (€299.17 @ Amazon Deutschland)
Case: Corsair Carbide SPEC-M2 MicroATX Mid Tower Case (€47.93 @ Mindfactory)
Power Supply: Corsair RMx 550W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply (€97.84 @ Mindfactory)
Total: €983.92
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2016-10-13 15:54 CEST+0200

Something like this.

If you have older parts you can add yourself (e.g. case, hard drives, etc.) it gives you more budget for other bits.

E.g. a GTX 1070 would probably last you 5 years of 1080p gaming.

..Brian..

Is there any point in going for an i5 6200 over an i3 6100 in a laptop that will be used for office work, web browsing/streaming and sketchup?

Serephucus

They're both 2.3GHz dual cores, but the i5 also turbos up to 2.8, whereas the i3 doesn't.

I'd imagine you'd be totally fine with the i3.

um7y1h83ge06nx

Serephucus wrote: »

Not needing a monitor and Redditing Windows knocks this down by €200 as well.

That's great. Pardon the ignorance but what do you mean by "Redditing Windows"?

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

Something like this.

If you have older parts you can add yourself (e.g. case, hard drives, etc.) it gives you more budget for other bits.

E.g. a GTX 1070 would probably last you 5 years of 1080p gaming.

Great, thanks. Some food for thought.

Serephucus

r/microsoftsoftwareswap

MSDN keys for Windows. They're grey area legal (ripping DVDs, for example), and work perfectly most of the time. With how completely "meh" I'm finding Win10 these days, I'd probably only pick it up for that price, or free.

K.O.Kiki

..Brian.. wrote: »

Is there any point in going for an i5 6200 over an i3 6100 in a laptop that will be used for office work, web browsing/streaming and sketchup?

CPUBoss is a terrible site for comparing specifications, their stuff seems to make no sense.
It's annoying how high they and similar sites show up in Google searches :mad:

Intel Ark is better for comparing Intel CPUs.
Youtube is better for comparing everything else.

Also if you can, AVOID Intel ix-xxxxU processors, they are slow & designed for battery life over performance.

Jodotman

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

CPUBoss is a terrible site for comparing specifications, their stuff seems to make no sense.
It's annoying how high they and similar sites show up in Google searches :mad:

Intel Ark is better for comparing Intel CPUs.
Youtube is better for comparing everything else.

Also if you can, AVOID Intel ix-xxxxU processors, they are slow & designed for battery life over performance.

You couldn't bee more wrong with that statement even if you tried!
Have you ever benchmarked the U processors or used one?

K.O.Kiki

Jodotman wrote: »

You couldn't bee more wrong with that statement even if you tried!
Have you ever benchmarked the U processors or used one?

I have an i7-5500u in my laptop.

Damn thing can't run the 2D game Melty Blood

TerrorFirmer

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

I have an i7-5500u in my laptop.

Damn thing can't run the 2D game Melty Blood

I think that's a bit dramatic, the ULV processors are pretty good and unless you're rocking a performance graphics card they're not a bottleneck at all.

My casual laptop is an i5-ULV with a GTX750 and the GTX750 is the bottleneck in everything by a large margin (Battlefield 4 being one I play most often).

Solitaire

Yeah but that's a GPU, most U-chip laptops won't have a discrete GPU and in many cases will have been crippled by unscrupulous OEMs to boot. It can be pretty hard to run even old 2D games on a laptop that has been given a 7.5W power limit to simultaneously run both a 15W CPU and a rubbish iGPU with minimal driver support...

TerrorFirmer

Not really - the iGPU on ULV's is slower than a full mobile processor but they're still decent enough. If you can't run Melty Blood on an i7-5500U, there's something else at play big time. I can choose to use the integrated over the dedicated and it's still fine for stuff like Minecraft/Terraria/CS GO and the like with zero issues at a solid framerate.

Also, to be fair, KO was advising to avoid them outright for general use as they're slow, which is really inaccurate.

ShadowHearth

In other news: pound is so low, that retailers increasing prices on stuff to even it out. Inflation going strong. Looks like amazon already cranked up prices. Anyone noticed any changes in other pc online shops? I think overclockers already cracked up a bit too?

I could swear Samsung 750 500GB SSD was cheaper few days ago.

Blitz17

ShadowHearth wrote: »

In other news: pound is so low, that retailers increasing prices on stuff to even it out. Inflation going strong. Looks like amazon already cranked up prices. Anyone noticed any changes in other pc online shops? I think overclockers already cracked up a bit too?

I could swear Samsung 750 500GB SSD was cheaper few days ago.

Yup I noticed it this morning that SSDs went up in price on Amazon and GTX1070s & 1080s went up on OCUK.

Bazzo

People are losing their **** over here because prices on everything have started to rise. If only they had been warned before the brexit vote! :rolleyes:

tadcan

I am eyeing an m2 drive, seems to be good value now. Just have to figure out if it works with a ASRock Z170M Pro4S.

wotzgoingon

tadcan wrote: »

I am eyeing an m2 drive, seems to be good value now. Just have to figure out if it works with a ASRock Z170M Pro4S.

Why not just buy a 2.5 inch sata SSD as it will be the same speeds as that M2 just cheaper.

Edit: http://www.asrock.com/mb/Intel/Z170M%20Pro4S/index.us.asp

Is that your motherboard? It does support M2 sata and NVMe M2 drives.

tadcan

wotzgoingon wrote: »

Why not just buy a 2.5 inch sata SSD as it will be the same speeds as that M2 just cheaper.

Ahh, I was under the impression they are faster because of the direct connection to the motherboard. I have a four(ish) year old samsung 840 SSD, would that have a lower GB/s than a current gen model?

Update: so I just checked and a 850 evo SSD is £149.99 and the M2 drive is £144.45 on offer.

wotzgoingon

I think you are thinking of a NVMe M2 drive which is amazingly fast. That one is an AHCI M2.