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Protestors disrupting World War 1 commemoration at Glasnevin

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    #452
    wazky
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,516 ✭✭✭wazky


    Hunterbiker wrote: »
    NI is a very small place. Thats the point.

    Only about 2 million, feck them sure.


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    #453
    RollieFingers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    end of the road wrote: »
    you'd be happy with members of the british military being awarded medals for shooting innocent civilians? discusting



    no, but members of the british military were awarded medals and had been responsible for the murder of civilians



    bollox, hating the british army and having contempt for them is not hatred for the british people, stop with such gibberish

    Sorry, what? If you are trying to say disgusting, how was it? I never said I'd be happy to see soldiers being rewarded for shooting civilians, I said I couldn't care because it never happened and was thus an irrelevant point to make.


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    #454
    Hunterbiker
    Registered Users Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭Hunterbiker


    wazky wrote: »
    The people in NI might care at least?, I'm just guessing though.
    NI is a very small place. Thats the point.


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    #455
    porsche959
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,499 ✭✭✭porsche959


    end of the road wrote: »
    well, apparently he wasn't the cuddly old man we were made to believe now was he?

    He supported Irish unity.


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    #456
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Hunterbiker wrote: »
    If this wasn't so sad it would be funny. I hate to break it to you but NI could erupt in flames and no one would give a flying f...the improvement in relations will carry on regardless.

    and there we have the standard erudition of the southern partitionist.

    'It has nothing to do with us, we don't care'.

    Deary me, if it wasn't so tragic it would be funny.


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    #457
    Hunterbiker
    Registered Users Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭Hunterbiker


    wazky wrote: »
    Only about 2 million, feck them sure.
    Generally both Dublin and Westminster have taken that line and I can't see that changing. The wider population probably don't give NI much thought really as modern life makes people indifferent


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    #458
    Hunterbiker
    Registered Users Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭Hunterbiker


    Happyman42 wrote: »

    Deary me, if it wasn't so tragic it would be funny.[/quote

    hey! Thats my line :)


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    #459
    Happyman42
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    RollieFingers wrote: »
    Sorry, what? If you are trying to say disgusting, how was it? I never said I'd be happy to see soldiers being rewarded for shooting civilians, I said I couldn't care because it never happened and was thus an irrelevant point to make.

    What Officer or Minister of Defence (UK) has had to resign or surrender their commission or was court marshalled for events that a British PM has had to publically apologise for?
    Keeping their jobs and careers is an honour in itself. Soldiers involved in Bloody Sunday where subsequently promoted.


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    #460
    Happyman42
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,066 ✭✭✭✭Happyman42


    Hunterbiker wrote: »
    Happyman42 wrote: »

    Deary me, if it wasn't so tragic it would be funny.

    hey! Thats my line :)

    Run out to the newsagent there, they say your copy of Hello is in. Your credibility in this debate is gone. :rolleyes:


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    #461
    Fratton Fred
    Closed Accounts Posts: 26,567 ✭✭✭✭Fratton Fred


    any1butdublin3 wrote: »
    Well the royal family have a long history of being anti Ulster Catholic so I dislike all of them.

    Such as?


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    #462
    Mosby61
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭Mosby61


    any1butdublin3 wrote: »
    I think you are ignoring the fact that the lands of modern Northern Ireland were ruled by Irish kings for 1500+ years
    Now we are getting desperate. Let's appoint a few Kings then. The stupid arguments some Republicans put forward is staggering.

    The people who acted disgracefully at the ceremony is the result of such thinking.


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    #463
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Hunterbiker wrote: »
    Ah the pent up hatred almost makes me feel dirty.

    Hate is an emotion I'm unfamiliar with.
    what is this talk of nobility?
    Suddenly the criminal murder of people through bombing is justified because it got an Inquiry...
    love the logic there...

    You're not making any sense. What exactly are you trying to say?
    terrorist / criminals walk free serve 2 years it would be a waste of time and money.

    What?
    I subscribe to the idea that pre good Friday needs to have a line drawn underneath it. No matter how unpalatable it just needs to be done and that it needs to be across the board.

    The GFA does not grant immunity from prosecution afaia. I'm sure many relatives of innocents gunned down by British Army would be happy with a conviction even if it didn't mean any time would be served.


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    #464
    Mosby61
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭Mosby61


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    What Officer or Minister of Defence (UK) has had to resign or surrender their commission or was court marshalled for events that a British PM has had to publically apologise for?
    Keeping their jobs and careers is an honour in itself. Soldiers involved in Bloody Sunday where subsequently promoted.
    David Cameron apologised on behalf of the British government. When will Republicans move on? He might as well said nothing, doesn't seem to matter to some.


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    #465
    Mosby61
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭Mosby61


    Hunterbiker wrote: »
    Ah the pent up hatred almost makes me feel dirty.
    what is this talk of nobility?
    Suddenly the criminal murder of people through bombing is justified because it got an Inquiry...
    love the logic there...
    It's like arguing with those lunatics who interrupted the remembrance ceremony. 1916, imperialism blah blah.


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    #466
    Hunterbiker
    Registered Users Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭Hunterbiker


    Happyman42 wrote: »
    Hunterbiker wrote: »

    Run out to the newsagent there, they say your copy of Hello is in. Your credibility in this debate is gone. :rolleyes:

    I doubt that.
    You should loom to your own credibility. The sad part is that every excuse is wheeled out - not least the Southern partition one to excuse your hate and angst ridden mindset.
    The real pity here is that as you apout so the soft if head will listen and thus the bitter harvest continues theough the years...


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    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,998 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Mosby61 wrote: »
    David Cameron apologised on behalf of the British government. When will Republicans move on? He might as well said nothing, doesn't seem to matter to some.
    we have moved on, but we will speak the truth and tell all about what happened in NI dispite the move on brigade and their attempt to silence us which has failed and they will never achieve

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #468
    comongethappy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,753 ✭✭✭comongethappy


    end of the road wrote: »
    we have moved on, but we will speak the truth and tell all about what happened in NI dispite the move on brigade and their attempt to silence us which has failed and they will never achieve

    Your free to speak all you want, no one is stopping you.

    Just don't be outraged if few listen.


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    Hunterbiker
    Registered Users Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭Hunterbiker


    Karl Stein wrote: »


    The GFA does not grant immunity from prosecution afaia. I'm sure many relatives of innocents gunned down by British Army would be happy with a conviction even if it didn't mean any time would be served.

    Your man in Court in relation to Hyde Park bombing had the case thrown out based on the immunity letter and even had he been convicted would have served 2 years. At least he had the sense to stop his victory party...

    I am sure for the families it would bring closure but for others it would not.


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    #470
    Mosby61
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭Mosby61


    end of the road wrote: »
    we have moved on, but we will speak the truth and tell all about what happened in NI dispite the move on brigade and their attempt to silence us which has failed and they will never achieve
    It's been over for well over 15 years. A fruitless excercise failed to deliver.


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    #471
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Hunterbiker wrote: »
    immunity letter

    The immunity letters were not part of the GFA as far as I'm aware.

    Do you believe that the relatives of those murdered on Bloody Sunday 1972 should be entitled to justice?

    A simple yes/no answer will suffice.


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    #472
    cruais
    Registered Users Posts: 1,559 ✭✭✭cruais


    What absolute scum these sorry little individuals are.

    My Grandad fought as a machine gunner in WW1, serving with the Irish regiment.

    Also 2 of my dads uncles served in the same regiment. Both died during battle and are now buried in Egypt.

    What proud men they were, unlike the useless protesting cowards yesterday.


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    #473
    Hunterbiker
    Registered Users Posts: 1,259 ✭✭✭Hunterbiker


    Karl Stein wrote: »
    The immunity letters were not part of the GFA as far as I'm aware.

    Do you believe that the relatives of those murdered on Bloody Sunday 1972 should be entitled to justice?

    A simple yes/no answer will suffice.
    Yes of course. I think the State should stump up


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    #474
    Karl Stein
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,689 ✭✭✭Karl Stein


    Hunterbiker wrote: »
    Yes of course. I think the State should stump up

    Okay I'll make this very simple because you are difficult to understand or are deliberately being obtuse.

    Do you think the relatives of those killed by the British Army in the north should be entitled to have the soldiers investigated/prosecuted for murder?


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    #475
    LordSutch
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    AVIVA STADIUM, Dublin = Maximum capacity 50.000
    http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/02/26/f9/cb/filename-110820-avivastadium.jpg

    That's how many Irish soldiers lost their lives in the Great War 1914-1918, and that's what Glasnevin was about.

    A sombre and sobering event. Long overdue.


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    #476
    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    Beastie1 wrote: »
    This is not honouring Irish men, it is honouring british soldiers. Ireland had been opressed by Britain for hundreds of years and those that joined the enemy army are traitors.
    The nonsense that happened yesterday is further revisionist rubbish with a member of the british royal family in attendance.
    Posters plastered all over Dublin advertising ww1 rte series has cost the licence payer huge amount of their licence fee.

    A "traitor" to my mind would be an Irishman who joined a foreign army and went to war against the Irish. In what way were Irishmen who were fighting the German army in the trenches of France and Belgium betraying their homeland?


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    #477
    moxin
    Registered Users Posts: 1,203 ✭✭✭moxin


    LordSutch wrote: »
    AVIVA STADIUM, Dublin = Maximum capacity 50.000
    http://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/02/26/f9/cb/filename-110820-avivastadium.jpg

    That's how many Irish soldiers lost their lives in the Great War 1914-1918, and that's what Glasnevin was about.

    A sombre and sobering event. Long overdue.

    Some of those 50,000 from modern day NI were not Irish in their own definition of being British and Unionist.


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    #478
    Beastie1
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭Beastie1


    OED dictionary:-

    Traitor - a person who betrays their country.


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    #479
    RollieFingers
    Registered Users Posts: 2,635 ✭✭✭RollieFingers


    end of the road wrote: »
    we have moved on, but we will speak the truth and tell all about what happened in NI dispite the move on brigade and their attempt to silence us which has failed and they will never achieve

    So you have moved on. but you will continue to bring the past up? That's not really moving on then is it?


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    #480
    Mosby61
    Registered Users Posts: 43 ✭Mosby61


    moxin wrote: »
    Some of those 50,000 from modern day NI were not Irish in their own definition of being British and Unionist.
    Only when Republicans took the Irish tag away.


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    Strazdas
    Registered Users Posts: 18,152 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    moxin wrote: »
    Some of those 50,000 from modern day NI were not Irish in their own definition of being British and Unionist.

    True, although they would have been regarded as "Irishmen" at the time....there were just the four nationalities as part of the UK : English, Irish (covering the entire island), Scottish and Welsh.


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