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    #212
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,054 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Genesis Ancient Stipend wrote: »
    Another massacre today by the apartheid state of Israel, 40 people so far, women and children included. Many more injured

    Reports are stating the a crowd of some 35,000 tried to storm the border, hence the use of force.

    Sometimes I wonder with these people in Gaza. It hasn't worked the last 1000 times, why do they think it will work the next time? Because Hama pulls the strings and are only too glad for the publicity.


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    #213
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Genesis Ancient Stipend wrote: »
    Another massacre today by the apartheid state of Israel, 40 people so far, women and children included. Many more injured

    Only as regards Israel would apologists be criticising unarmed protesters for getting shot protesting the theft of their land and the US move to stop any peaceful meeting of minds.


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    #214
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,101 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    markodaly wrote: »
    Sometimes I wonder with these people in Gaza. It hasn't worked the last 1000 times, why do they think it will work the next time? Because Hama pulls the strings and are only too glad for the publicity.
    What would you suggest they do then? Just quietly sit by while Israel takes their land?


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    #215
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    Two state solution recommended Palestines have their capital in East Jerusalem. Trump ignored that and declared Jerusalem is the capital of Israel. Trump declaration only made things worse in the region.

    Trump is allowing Israel to do what it likes in the region, this is very dangerous. Will Nikki Haley demand sanctions for Israel for killing unarmed women and children?


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    #216
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,054 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Kiith wrote: »
    What would you suggest they do then? Just quietly sit by while Israel takes their land?

    Surely there are more than two options than, sit quietly or storm a heavily armed border and be killed.


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    #217
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    markodaly wrote: »
    Surely there are more than two options than, sit quietly and storm a heavily armed border and be killed.

    Is their evidence for this claim? Israel said the same last time and video emerged showing protesters far away from the border fence when they got shot indiscriminately.


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    #218
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    markodaly wrote: »
    Surely there are more than two options than, sit quietly or storm a heavily armed border and be killed.

    The israelies could always take the option not to shoot unarmed civilians who pose no immediate threat.


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    #219
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,054 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Is their evidence for this claim? Israel said the same last time and video emerged showing protesters far away from the border fence when they got shot indiscriminately.

    Sure, 35,000 people were gathering to have a fiesta!
    Of course there was going to be trouble. The IDF even warned them this morning to stay away.

    https://twitter.com/AAhronheim/status/995900738277724160/photo/1?tfw_creator=BBCWorld&tfw_site=BBCWorld&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Flive%2Fworld-middle-east-44110417


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    #220
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,054 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Auguste Comte wrote: »
    The israelies could always take the option not to shoot unarmed civilians who pose no immediate threat.

    When are they going to be a threat then, when they are through the fence?

    The border has a buffer zone. The army are never going to let 35,000 people just waltz up to it and do what ever it wants.

    Blame Hamas for directing this farce and putting its own people in danger again.


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    #221
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    markodaly wrote: »
    Sure, 35,000 people were gathering to have a fiesta!
    Of course there was going to be trouble. The IDF even warned them this morning to stay away.

    https://twitter.com/AAhronheim/status/995900738277724160/photo/1?tfw_creator=BBCWorld&tfw_site=BBCWorld&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw&ref_url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.bbc.com%2Fnews%2Flive%2Fworld-middle-east-44110417

    You are allowed to protest when your unarmed or do you not agree with that? Have you video showing protestors a few feet from the border fence?


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    #222
    Kiith
    Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 23,101 Mod ✭✭✭✭Kiith


    markodaly wrote: »
    Blame Hamas for directing this farce and putting its own people in danger again.

    While Hamas certainly aren't doing anything to help this situation, i think some of the soldiers who fired indiscriminately into a crowd that included women and children hold a fair amount of the blame.


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    #223
    Cheerful Spring
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,893 ✭✭✭Cheerful Spring


    markodaly wrote: »
    When are they going to be a threat then, when they are through the fence?

    The border has a buffer zone. The army are never going to let 35,000 people just waltz up to it and do what ever it wants.

    Blame Hamas for directing this farce and putting its own people in danger again.

    This is nonsensical comment because the protest is about recognising Jerusalem as Israel Capital. Everyone knew this would be an issue but Trump went ahead anyway. Did Hamas tell all these people to protest or they just come to this area to vent their own anger? Israel will always blame Hamas while ignoring the real grievances the Palestinians have.

    Israel wounded 1,000 people and still increasing that nuts if you think about it.


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    #224
    ShowMeTheCash
    Registered Users Posts: 2,651 ✭✭✭ShowMeTheCash


    markodaly wrote: »
    When are they going to be a threat then, when they are through the fence?

    The border has a buffer zone. The army are never going to let 35,000 people just waltz up to it and do what ever it wants.

    Blame Hamas for directing this farce and putting its own people in danger again.

    These are people, people who are protesting, not an army, to my understanding they where not armed. To suggest that Israel are justified in the action is to suggest you do not believe Palestinians have civil rights.


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    #225
    Auguste Comte
    Registered Users Posts: 1,143 ✭✭✭Auguste Comte


    markodaly wrote: »
    Blame Hamas for directing this farce and putting its own people in danger again.
    I blame the people who pull the trigger because they are the ones responsible.


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    #226
    skepticalme
    Registered Users Posts: 229 ✭✭skepticalme


    Just saw this from the IDF.
    IDF spokesperson not giving any ground on the levels of Palestinian fatalities from live fire. "We do not target anyone who does not pose a threat, either by trying to tear down the fence or run into Israel."

    What about the children, the double amputee in a wheelchair and 6 journalists so far!

    No other country in the world would be allowed use live fire on unarmed civilians.
    UN are useless, the US is complicit.

    International law, human rights. None of it matters when it's Israel murdering people.
    Israel also dropped a few bombs on gaza today.


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    #227
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    skepticalme wrote: »
    Just saw this from the IDF.
    IDF spokesperson not giving any ground on the levels of Palestinian fatalities from live fire. "We do not target anyone who does not pose a threat, either by trying to tear down the fence or run into Israel."

    What about the children, the double amputee in a wheelchair and 6 journalists so far!

    No other country in the world would be allowed use live fire on unarmed civilians.
    UN are useless, the US is complicit.

    International law, human rights. None of it matters when it's Israel murdering people.
    Israel also dropped a few bombs on gaza today.

    Israel buys it's friends. The international community needs do more than boycott Soda Stream.
    The ironic thing is if this was happening in Iran there would be talk of going to war.


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    #228
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,522 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Genesis Ancient Stipend wrote: »
    Another massacre today by the apartheid state of Israel, 40 people so far, women and children included. Many more injured
    Closer to fifty now. Speaking of Apartheid, the Sharpeville massacre involved the death of 69 people for comparison.


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    #229
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,057 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    markodaly wrote: »
    Surely there are more than two options than, sit quietly or storm a heavily armed border and be killed.

    Join a peaceful protest and be killed is always an option.
    IDF wrote:
    We do not target anyone who does not pose a threat, either by trying to tear down the fence or run into Israel."

    Why is it I don't believe them?
    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/ibrahim-abu-thuraya-dead-shot-killed-israel-jerusalem-protest-disabled-no-legs-wheelchair-a8114766.html


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    #230
    ancapailldorcha
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 37,827 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Mod: Any more link dumps will be met with mod action. Enough please.

    We sat again for an hour and a half discussing maps and figures and always getting back to that most damnable creation of the perverted ingenuity of man - the County of Tyrone.

    H. H. Asquith



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    #231
    Gringo180
    Registered Users Posts: 9,205 ✭✭✭Gringo180


    How many people were killed in Bloody Sunday? It doesnt matter how many Palestinians are slaughtered because in the eyes of the west they dont matter. ****ing sicken you to your stomach and that idiot on defending it is morally bankrupt.


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    #232
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    The Israeli ambassador should be expelled and we should withdraw our Embassy staff.


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    #233
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,054 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    This is nonsensical comment because the protest is about recognising Jerusalem as Israel Capital.

    No, that is wrong. Tel Aviv is Israel's capital and is remaining as one.
    Cheerful Spring wrote: »
    Did Hamas tell all these people to protest or they just come to this area to vent their own anger?

    Yes, they did actually. Hamas organised this protest as a "Great March of Return" Hamas of course would not put themselves in danger though.


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    #234
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,054 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    Odhinn wrote: »
    Join a peaceful protest and be killed is always an option.

    A peaceful protest that starts burning tyres, hurling stones, firebombs at security personal, while some try and plant explosives by the border, is not peaceful.


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    #235
    markodaly
    Registered Users Posts: 14,054 ✭✭✭✭markodaly


    skepticalme wrote: »
    What about the children, the double amputee in a wheelchair and 6 journalists so far!

    RTE report that the guy in the wheelchair was earlier photographed with a sling shot.

    Does it strike anyone as odd why you would start burning hundreds of tyres at a "peaceful protest" ?


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    #236
    Annd9
    Registered Users Posts: 218 ✭✭Annd9


    So what do you suggest the Palestinians do while the world watches Israel and America break international law ? Serious question btw


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    #237
    Odhinn
    Registered Users Posts: 8,057 ✭✭✭Odhinn


    markodaly wrote: »
    RTE report that the guy in the wheelchair was earlier photographed with a sling shot.

    Does it strike anyone as odd why you would start burning hundreds of tyres at a "peaceful protest" ?

    That justifies shooting him?


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    #238
    Mancomb Seepgood
    Closed Accounts Posts: 417 ✭✭Mancomb Seepgood


    markodaly wrote: »
    No, that is wrong. Tel Aviv is Israel's capital and is remaining as one.

    You might want to tell the Israeli government that,as they have treated Jersualem as their capital since 1950.This wasn't much of an issue until the Israeli government claimed the entire city as their capital (rather than just West Jerusalem) in 1980.


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    #239
    Neamhshuntasach
    Registered Users Posts: 2,168 ✭✭✭Neamhshuntasach


    markodaly wrote: »
    No, that is wrong. Tel Aviv is Israel's capital and is remaining as one.

    Always amazes me when people continuously comment on some topic but yet don't really know much about it.


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    #240
    Timberrrrrrrr
    Registered Users Posts: 25,457 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    markodaly wrote: »
    A peaceful protest that starts burning tyres, hurling stones, firebombs at security personal, while some try and plant explosives by the border, is not peaceful.

    So every catholic man woman and child who did this up the north should have been execute?


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    #241
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Let's all go to Rome and take it over, Catholics only mind.

    The US has blocked an independent UN investigation into the Israeli killings.
    Netanyahu claims all of Jerusalem for Isreal, so much for peace. The man is obviously not interested. His PR against Iran is shown to be even more disingenuous.

    They used snipers on protesters. Some had sling shots and threw stones. Some did nothing at all. Shot dead for throwing a stone.
    No country with any sense of morality should be dealing with the Israeli's in any form.


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