The other Ireland

Is there an other Ireland that rarely get mentioned or reflected in the media and wider culture, for example country and Irish music I know some one in there thirties who loves Nathan Carter and Mike Denver. The fact that large parts of Ireland are largely rural and some what conservator, yet the media is very urban and Dublin centric as if the other Ireland does not exist.

Barely There

mariaalice wrote: »

Is there an other Ireland that rarely get mentioned or reflected in the media and wider culture, for example country and Irish music I know some one in there thirties who loves Nathan Carter and Mike Denver or the fact that large parts of Ireland are largely rural and some what conservator, yet the media is very urban and Dublin centric as if the other Ireland does not exist.

That sentence is too long.

Citroen2cv

OP, do you hail from or live in the "other Ireland"?

It is more that I am interested in the media and how it reflects society and it seems to me a lot of the main stream media misses out on who shades of Irish culture.

Mr_Red

Yeah, its called Newfoundland

catallus

One People, One Nation, Ein Deut...... Nope....

mrsdewinter

mariaalice wrote: »

Is there an other Ireland that rarely get mentioned or reflected in the media and wider culture, for example country and Irish music I know some one in there thirties who loves Nathan Carter and Mike Denver. The fact that large parts of Ireland are largely rural and some what conservator, yet the media is very urban and Dublin centric as if the other Ireland does not exist.

Yes, okay, I'll bite. The concerns of the Traveller population are largely missing from mainstream media and online debate. I firmly believe that in years to come, our children will look back on the way we turned a blind eye to Traveller issues with genuine bewilderment. I dread the conversations of 2050 when young uns try to get to grips with the border-line racist attitudes that prevailed in the early years of the 21st century.

4zn76tysfajdxp

mrsdewinter wrote: »

Yes, okay, I'll bite. The concerns of the Traveller population are largely missing from mainstream media and online debate. I firmly believe that in years to come, our children will look back on the way we turned a blind eye to Traveller issues with genuine bewilderment. I dread the conversations of 2050 when young uns try to get to grips with the border-line racist attitudes that prevailed in the early years of the 21st century.

I don't know if the OP is referring specifically to traveller issues. Where I grew up young, settled folk would listen to Irish country and western "stars" like the ones mentioned in the first post and, even, ones who sing mostly in Irish such as John Beag and Beairtle O'Domhnaill.

It is weird now, come to think of it, how popular that stuff is out in the sticks and, yet, I never hear anyone mention it on Boards.

mickdw

Erin Attractive Topping wrote: »

I don't know if the OP is referring specifically to traveller issues. Where I grew up young, settled folk would listen to Irish country and western "stars" like the ones mentioned in the first post and, even, ones who sing mostly in Irish such as John Beag and Beairtle O'Domhnaill.

It is weird now, come to think of it, how popular that stuff is out in the sticks and, yet, I never hear anyone mention it on Boards.

I live in the sticks so to speak. Country music is popular with certain folk, some young, some old. The reason is seldom mentioned on boards etc is that the very type who are into country music are the type who have not embraced the electronic age although out of necessity, a few have got to grips with donedeal website but only donedeal. To attempt to go to another website would be dangerous territory and they would need to be shown how to work it all over again.

earlytobed

You will see them(residents of this other Ireland) descending on Croke Park for the Garth Brooks gigs in large numbers.
Rural folk, largely ignored by the media, Nationwide excepted

4zn76tysfajdxp

mickdw wrote: »

I live in the sticks so to speak. Country music is popular with certain folk, some young, some old. The reason is seldom mentioned on boards etc is that the very type who are into country music are the type who have not embraced the electronic age although out of necessity, a few have got to grips with donedeal website but only donedeal. To attempt to go to another website would be dangerous territory and they would need to be shown how to work it all over again.

And Bebo.

Muise...

Hmmm. I grew up in the hinterland of Galway city, so I've always known both Irelands and been able to go between them. I think it's a listening thing - there isn't much code-switching involved if you are actually interested in the people you're conversing with - rather than summing them up as 'that other crowd'.

The media do this because they broadcast a one-way signal. I think it'd be a right shame if everyone else felt unable to pull up a stool in a pub or sit at a kitchen table on the other turf and feel at home.

biketard

I thought this was going to be about Northern Ireland.

cena

Nathan carter isn't even irish

ComputerKing

I know both Irelands op and absolutely love and adore country life. I also agree you don't hear a lot about it in the media and online. That's why there was an attempt last year I think to get a culchie or rural Ireland forum set up on boards and it got enough support but the admins for some reason or another felt that it was unnecessary.

SEPT 23 1989

simple music for a slower pace of life

Legs.Eleven

Being from the Dublin sticks and not having a huge amount of contact with other sticky places outside The Pale bar the odd week on a farm in Cavan with my dad's family and holidays here and there as a kid, I got the shock of my life when I went to Galway years ago with an ex and got a coach out to Connemara and the driver blared Irish country music all the way down and again, on the way back up. Got to Clifton, immediately went to the pub which was completely empty bar a whole family around a big table singing "Ring of Fire" in the back room. I felt like i was visiting another country; I didn't recognise the one I was in at all. Twas a very strange feeling.

It's fair to say Irish media is very Dublin-centric alright. Hmmm. *Rubs beard*

Muise...

Erin Attractive Topping wrote: »

I don't know if the OP is referring specifically to traveller issues. Where I grew up young, settled folk would listen to Irish country and western "stars" like the ones mentioned in the first post and, even, ones who sing mostly in Irish such as John Beag and Beairtle O'Domhnaill.

It is weird now, come to think of it, how popular that stuff is out in the sticks and, yet, I never hear anyone mention it on Boards.

Where I Grew Up Young

A country song by Erin Attractive Topping and the Farmstead

wazky

Tis a feral place that 'other' Ireland, where the difference between the men and the women are the lengths of their beards.

topper75

A salient point OP. This demographic is real, out there, and significant in numbers. The reason it doesn't get attention is €€€€. They don't have it to spend so much as their city-based 'sophisticated' cousins do. If they are not the focus for advertisers, their lives and concerns are not the focus for the media.

In truth there are many Irelands, even within our capital city alone. Your only hope of knowing them is to get out there and meet them. The media will only show you everything through their carefully-selected, commercially-orientated prism. You can't afford to leave them limit it for you.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Muise... wrote: »

Where I Grew Up Young

A country song by Frada and the Farmstead

I've been dying to wear a stetson.

Cee-Jay-Cee

mrsdewinter wrote: »

Yes, okay, I'll bite. The concerns of the Traveller population are largely missing from mainstream media and online debate. I firmly believe that in years to come, our children will look back on the way we turned a blind eye to Traveller issues with genuine bewilderment. I dread the conversations of 2050 when young uns try to get to grips with the border-line racist attitudes that prevailed in the early years of the 21st century.

Not a lot going on in your life when your dreading a conversation you 'may' have in 36 years time.

solomafioso

Mr_Red wrote: »

Yeah, its called Newfoundland

I'm Steve the Newfoundlander! (NSFW language)

pocketse

There is a huge country and irish scene in this country and although it wouldn't be particularly to my taste I think it's a disgrace that it's ignored by the media. Not just country and irish but most music produced by irish people.

I know in Canada there is a rule that a percentage of music that is broadcast must be home grown. At least then there is some encouragement given to a domestic music industry. I don't really care if it's boyzone, Mike Denver, de dannan or jedward. The fact that a percentage would have to be irish means that there is a greater chance that someone who appeals to my taste will get the opportunity to break through and make a career out of music. Instead of producing the best album that no one will ever hear.

Rant over/

mrsdewinter

Erin Attractive Topping wrote: »

I don't know if the OP is referring specifically to traveller issues. Where I grew up young, settled folk would listen to Irish country and western "stars" like the ones mentioned in the first post and, even, ones who sing mostly in Irish such as John Beag and Beairtle O'Domhnaill.

It is weird now, come to think of it, how popular that stuff is out in the sticks and, yet, I never hear anyone mention it on Boards.

Ah. I read him too literally, thought he was looking for a few examples of sectors of society that are largely sidelined from contemporary debate.

Mal-Adjusted

I'd be from rural Clare and my sister is soon to be married to the dubbiest dub who ever dubbed. To be fair, there isn't that much difference between most people on this island*, certainly not enough to consider them/us from another Ireland altogether. Well, except for these feckers! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Ireland_(island)






*or at least people who don't try to isolate themselves within their own communities.

munchkin_utd

pocketse wrote: »

There is a huge country and irish scene in this country and although it wouldn't be particularly to my taste I think it's a disgrace that it's ignored by the media. Not just country and irish but most music produced by irish people.
<snip>/

its far from ignored.
The local stations pump out enough of it, although less wall to wall than a decade ago.

Legs.Eleven

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

I'd be from rural Clare and my sister is soon to be married to the dubbiest dub who ever dubbed. To be fair, there isn't that much difference between most people on this island*, certainly not enough to consider them/us from another Ireland altogether. Well, except for these feckers! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Ireland_(island)






*or at least people who don't try to isolate themselves within their own communities.

People trying to make out that there's massive differences between places in Ireland is fairly laughable but the country music phenomenon never really hit Dublin in any big way (except for that weird line dancing craze in the early 90s, which I'd rather forget).

5live

pocketse wrote: »

There is a huge country and irish scene in this country and although it wouldn't be particularly to my taste I think it's a disgrace that it's ignored by the media. Not just country and irish but most music produced by irish people.

I know in Canada there is a rule that a percentage of music that is broadcast must be home grown. At least then there is some encouragement given to a domestic music industry. I don't really care if it's boyzone, Mike Denver, de dannan or jedward. The fact that a percentage would have to be irish means that there is a greater chance that someone who appeals to my taste will get the opportunity to break through and make a career out of music. Instead of producing the best album that no one will ever hear.

Rant over/

Isn't that there already, that some 15-20%(?) of music has to be Irish and a similar amount must be talk.

Living in the country, you get used to the Dublin bias in the media but it does grate somewhat. It really grinds my gears when the presenter is waffling about the brilliant day outside and bbqs and heat while it's bucketing rain in 'this other country', ie, anywhere outside the pale:rolleyes:

Muise...

munchkin_utd wrote: »

its far from ignored.
The local stations pump out enough of it, although less wall to wall than a decade ago.

I local radio stations. Listening to the death notices with a maudlin musak soundtrack while bussing through mountains, DJ's trying to extract conversation from local characters while clearly terrified at what they might come out with, the pirate station late night phone in where once they played charades... 'tis well worth putting up with the interruptions of twangy country songs.

Emme

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

People trying to make out that there's massive differences between places in Ireland is fairly laughable but the country music phenomenon never really hit Dublin in any big way (except for that weird line dancing craze in the early 90s, which I'd rather forget).

What about Garth Brooks? Where does he fit in? I am not a fan but he is very popular in the country.

I grew up in the country listening to my parents playing the worst country music imaginable (Big Tom, Roly Daniels). I hate country music with a passion to this day. Other people my age weren't so traumatized and will happily listen to country music - Garth Brooks is a favorite :rolleyes:

Overall I do think Ireland is similar no matter where you go, however that is not the same as saying it has the same culture and tradition every where you go. The large main stream media seem to only reflect one or two sections of Irish society.

A lot of it is petty even silly another one that make me laugh is divide between those who play for the local soccer team v those who play for the local GAA team in small towns in Ireland.

pocketse

munchkin_utd wrote: »

its far from ignored.
The local stations pump out enough of it, although less wall to wall than a decade ago.

That's fair enough, but these are local commercial stations. I suppose part of my point is that rte is licence funded and the fact that it ignores what obviously has a huge listener ship ( as local radio stations are pumping it out all day) is bad form.

I'm also not suggestion that the likes of 2 fm/ / 98 fm / Fm 104 and other pop stations play country and irish but there should be an incentive to find new irish pop/ rock bands.

Legs.Eleven

Emme wrote: »

What about Garth Brooks? Where does he fit in? I am not a fan but he is very popular in the country.

I grew up in the country listening to my parents playing the worst country music imaginable (Big Tom, Roly Daniels). I hate country music with a passion to this day. Other people my age weren't so traumatized and will happily listen to country music - Garth Brooks is a favorite :rolleyes:

I was talking about Dublin. As far as I'm aware, he's not popular in Dublin and is seen as a a bit of a joke. Country music is generally laughed at in Dublin and I would be among those that would scoff tbh.

WesternZulu

pocketse wrote: »

There is a huge country and irish scene in this country and although it wouldn't be particularly to my taste I think it's a disgrace that it's ignored by the media. Not just country and irish but most music produced by irish people.

I know in Canada there is a rule that a percentage of music that is broadcast must be home grown. At least then there is some encouragement given to a domestic music industry. I don't really care if it's boyzone, Mike Denver, de dannan or jedward. The fact that a percentage would have to be irish means that there is a greater chance that someone who appeals to my taste will get the opportunity to break through and make a career out of music. Instead of producing the best album that no one will ever hear.

Rant over/

Actually to the best of my knowledge Ireland has the same sort of rules as well, as in a certain % of airtime must be dedicated to Irish artists.

Muise...

WesternZulu wrote: »

Actually to the best of my knowledge Ireland has the same sort of rules as well, as in a certain % of airtime must be dedicated to Irish artists.

Raidió na Gaeltachta used to have a rule forbidding lyrics in the English language. So a programme called An Taobh Tuathaill started playing the best electronica and alternative music in other languages. They lifted the rule, but that show is still great - nothing like driving around Connemara on a summer evening listening to Kraftwerk and looking at the pylons striding across the bog.

jellyboy

thinly veiled "I love country music and why don't you "thread

jellyboy

jellyboy wrote: »

thinly veiled "I love country music and why don't you "thread

Country and Irish wouldn't be my cup of tea at all I would be more in to folk/routs music its not about the music per say it is about the question does the main stream media completely reflect what Irish culture and society is really like.

Balmed Out

I HATE sing songs other then that rural Ireland is great, growing up in a city I hadn't even heard of sing songs. Since moving to the country there's been feck all peaches and way too many sing songs, ive been on stags where they all descend into sing songs all day. Whats wrong with talking in a pub?

Links234

Erin Attractive Topping wrote: »

It is weird now, come to think of it, how popular that stuff is out in the sticks and, yet, I never hear anyone mention it on Boards.

I think it's more a generational thing than anything else. I have an uncle that plays in a Irish country band and I remember getting dragged to some big new years show out in bumble**** nowhere, and the place was absolutely jam-packed, but it was all middle-aged and upwards folks. A few scattered youngins probably dragged by their families same as I was.

thegreatgonzo

Erin Attractive Topping wrote: »

It is weird now, come to think of it, how popular that stuff is out in the sticks and, yet, I never hear anyone mention it on Boards.

There is also a world outside Boards:p

Links234

thegreatgonzo wrote: »

There is also a world outside Boards:p

But we don't like to talk about it

Shakespeare's Sister

mariaalice wrote: »

Is there an other Ireland that rarely get mentioned or reflected in the media and wider culture, for example country and Irish music I know some one in there thirties who loves Nathan Carter and Mike Denver. The fact that large parts of Ireland are largely rural and some what conservator, yet the media is very urban and Dublin centric as if the other Ireland does not exist.

Is it really that unknown? What about all the "culchie" phenomena that gets nodded to quite often, like Coppers and Garth Brooks?

Bongalongherb

mariaalice wrote: »

Is there an other Ireland that rarely get mentioned or reflected in the media and wider culture, for example country and Irish music I know some one in there thirties who loves Nathan Carter and Mike Denver. The fact that large parts of Ireland are largely rural and some what conservator, yet the media is very urban and Dublin centric as if the other Ireland does not exist.

There is indeed, and we can see it everyday but refuse to believe it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frnHuraEGxM

The Diabolical Monocle

conservateur

conservative ma cherie.

Witchie

mariaalice wrote: »

Is there an other Ireland that rarely get mentioned or reflected in the media and wider culture, for example country and Irish music I know some one in there thirties who loves Nathan Carter and Mike Denver. The fact that large parts of Ireland are largely rural and some what conservator, yet the media is very urban and Dublin centric as if the other Ireland does not exist.

Living in it and wishing it didn't exist. Last weekend went to support a mate of mine in a "Stars in Their Eyes" competition in a small village GAA club. While sitting there I was thinking how wonderful it was to have such talent on display, a lovely sense of community and was almost tearful at thinking I will be leaving this all behind in 2 years time when I either move to Dublin or emigrate.

Then the "disco" started with pretty much just country sh**e music followed by at the end of the night the National Anthem. Then I remembered why I can't wait to get out of here.

freddiek

Dublin people wouldn't be seen dead at a country music gig. They'd much rather be at home watching chavy X-factor programmes and their British soaps.

they've much more in common with the UK than with rural Ireland.

whisky_galore

That's what RTE's Nationwide is for; showcasing Men's Sheds, Country & Western music, Tidy Towns 'committeees', 45 drives and bingo. Maybe for variety some deranged oul lad who has a collection of 5 million milk bottles or something in his house.

Plus local radio, the 'death notices'....and belting out accordion music and mongrel Irish/C&W choons about Gentle Mothers and Marquees in Drumlish....lost in a time warp somewhere in the 70's - 80's...and not the GOOD 70's and 80's.

Emme

:eek:

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I was talking about Dublin. As far as I'm aware, he's not popular in Dublin and is seen as a a bit of a joke. Country music is generally laughed at in Dublin and I would be among those that would scoff tbh.

Do you scoff at anything else from the country?

I went to boarding school and most people were from the country. We had 2 Dubs in the class and their haughty dismissive attitude was a real culture shock to us.

We culchies are a tolerant easy going bunch with crap taste in music

Witchie wrote: »

Then the "disco" started with pretty much just country sh**e music followed by at the end of the night the National Anthem. Then I remembered why I can't wait to get out of here.

Woe betide you if you didn't stand up when the National Anthem was played and the 'RA-Heads always did a Nazi style salute for good measure. :eek:

DEFTLEFTHAND

Do you think that culture might be in serious decline with sections (not all) of the younger generation rejecting it. Some people in city colleges have serious issues with being from the sticks, it's almost like they're embarrassed that their father is a farmer and listens to country western.

They drop their local accents after a couple of weeks and start speaking like the urban middle class students. It's a bit sad really to be ashamed of where you came from.

comongethappy

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They drop their local accents after a couple of weeks and start speaking like the urban middle class students. It's a bit sad really to be ashamed of where you came from.

Some people soak up accents quickly.
Its mostly not intentional.

No harm softening a cork/Kerry accent though.
Neither are pleasent on the ear.