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The other Ireland

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Is there an other Ireland that rarely get mentioned or reflected in the media and wider culture, for example country and Irish music I know some one in there thirties who loves Nathan Carter and Mike Denver. The fact that large parts of Ireland are largely rural and some what conservator, yet the media is very urban and Dublin centric as if the other Ireland does not exist.

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Overall I do think Ireland is similar no matter where you go, however that is not the same as saying it has the same culture and tradition every where you go. The large main stream media seem to only reflect one or two sections of Irish society.

A lot of it is petty even silly another one that make me laugh is divide between those who play for the local soccer team v those who play for the local GAA team in small towns in Ireland.

pocketse

munchkin_utd wrote: »

its far from ignored.
The local stations pump out enough of it, although less wall to wall than a decade ago.

That's fair enough, but these are local commercial stations. I suppose part of my point is that rte is licence funded and the fact that it ignores what obviously has a huge listener ship ( as local radio stations are pumping it out all day) is bad form.

I'm also not suggestion that the likes of 2 fm/ / 98 fm / Fm 104 and other pop stations play country and irish but there should be an incentive to find new irish pop/ rock bands.

Legs.Eleven

Emme wrote: »

What about Garth Brooks? Where does he fit in? I am not a fan but he is very popular in the country.

I grew up in the country listening to my parents playing the worst country music imaginable (Big Tom, Roly Daniels). I hate country music with a passion to this day. Other people my age weren't so traumatized and will happily listen to country music - Garth Brooks is a favorite :rolleyes:

I was talking about Dublin. As far as I'm aware, he's not popular in Dublin and is seen as a a bit of a joke. Country music is generally laughed at in Dublin and I would be among those that would scoff tbh.

WesternZulu

pocketse wrote: »

There is a huge country and irish scene in this country and although it wouldn't be particularly to my taste I think it's a disgrace that it's ignored by the media. Not just country and irish but most music produced by irish people.

I know in Canada there is a rule that a percentage of music that is broadcast must be home grown. At least then there is some encouragement given to a domestic music industry. I don't really care if it's boyzone, Mike Denver, de dannan or jedward. The fact that a percentage would have to be irish means that there is a greater chance that someone who appeals to my taste will get the opportunity to break through and make a career out of music. Instead of producing the best album that no one will ever hear.

Rant over/

Actually to the best of my knowledge Ireland has the same sort of rules as well, as in a certain % of airtime must be dedicated to Irish artists.

Muise...

WesternZulu wrote: »

Actually to the best of my knowledge Ireland has the same sort of rules as well, as in a certain % of airtime must be dedicated to Irish artists.

Raidió na Gaeltachta used to have a rule forbidding lyrics in the English language. So a programme called An Taobh Tuathaill started playing the best electronica and alternative music in other languages. They lifted the rule, but that show is still great - nothing like driving around Connemara on a summer evening listening to Kraftwerk and looking at the pylons striding across the bog.

jellyboy

thinly veiled "I love country music and why don't you "thread

[Deleted User]

jellyboy wrote: »

thinly veiled "I love country music and why don't you "thread

Country and Irish wouldn't be my cup of tea at all I would be more in to folk/routs music its not about the music per say it is about the question does the main stream media completely reflect what Irish culture and society is really like.

Balmed Out

I HATE sing songs other then that rural Ireland is great, growing up in a city I hadn't even heard of sing songs. Since moving to the country there's been feck all peaches and way too many sing songs, ive been on stags where they all descend into sing songs all day. Whats wrong with talking in a pub?

Links234

Erin Attractive Topping wrote: »

It is weird now, come to think of it, how popular that stuff is out in the sticks and, yet, I never hear anyone mention it on Boards.

I think it's more a generational thing than anything else. I have an uncle that plays in a Irish country band and I remember getting dragged to some big new years show out in bumble**** nowhere, and the place was absolutely jam-packed, but it was all middle-aged and upwards folks. A few scattered youngins probably dragged by their families same as I was.

thegreatgonzo

Erin Attractive Topping wrote: »

It is weird now, come to think of it, how popular that stuff is out in the sticks and, yet, I never hear anyone mention it on Boards.

There is also a world outside Boards:p

Links234

thegreatgonzo wrote: »

There is also a world outside Boards:p

But we don't like to talk about it

Shakespeare's Sister

mariaalice wrote: »

Is there an other Ireland that rarely get mentioned or reflected in the media and wider culture, for example country and Irish music I know some one in there thirties who loves Nathan Carter and Mike Denver. The fact that large parts of Ireland are largely rural and some what conservator, yet the media is very urban and Dublin centric as if the other Ireland does not exist.

Is it really that unknown? What about all the "culchie" phenomena that gets nodded to quite often, like Coppers and Garth Brooks?

Bongalongherb

mariaalice wrote: »

Is there an other Ireland that rarely get mentioned or reflected in the media and wider culture, for example country and Irish music I know some one in there thirties who loves Nathan Carter and Mike Denver. The fact that large parts of Ireland are largely rural and some what conservator, yet the media is very urban and Dublin centric as if the other Ireland does not exist.

There is indeed, and we can see it everyday but refuse to believe it...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=frnHuraEGxM

The Diabolical Monocle

conservateur

conservative ma cherie.

Witchie

mariaalice wrote: »

Is there an other Ireland that rarely get mentioned or reflected in the media and wider culture, for example country and Irish music I know some one in there thirties who loves Nathan Carter and Mike Denver. The fact that large parts of Ireland are largely rural and some what conservator, yet the media is very urban and Dublin centric as if the other Ireland does not exist.

Living in it and wishing it didn't exist. Last weekend went to support a mate of mine in a "Stars in Their Eyes" competition in a small village GAA club. While sitting there I was thinking how wonderful it was to have such talent on display, a lovely sense of community and was almost tearful at thinking I will be leaving this all behind in 2 years time when I either move to Dublin or emigrate.

Then the "disco" started with pretty much just country sh**e music followed by at the end of the night the National Anthem. Then I remembered why I can't wait to get out of here.

freddiek

Dublin people wouldn't be seen dead at a country music gig. They'd much rather be at home watching chavy X-factor programmes and their British soaps.

they've much more in common with the UK than with rural Ireland.

whisky_galore

That's what RTE's Nationwide is for; showcasing Men's Sheds, Country & Western music, Tidy Towns 'committeees', 45 drives and bingo. Maybe for variety some deranged oul lad who has a collection of 5 million milk bottles or something in his house.

Plus local radio, the 'death notices'....and belting out accordion music and mongrel Irish/C&W choons about Gentle Mothers and Marquees in Drumlish....lost in a time warp somewhere in the 70's - 80's...and not the GOOD 70's and 80's.

Emme

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Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I was talking about Dublin. As far as I'm aware, he's not popular in Dublin and is seen as a a bit of a joke. Country music is generally laughed at in Dublin and I would be among those that would scoff tbh.

Do you scoff at anything else from the country?

I went to boarding school and most people were from the country. We had 2 Dubs in the class and their haughty dismissive attitude was a real culture shock to us.

We culchies are a tolerant easy going bunch with crap taste in music

Witchie wrote: »

Then the "disco" started with pretty much just country sh**e music followed by at the end of the night the National Anthem. Then I remembered why I can't wait to get out of here.

Woe betide you if you didn't stand up when the National Anthem was played and the 'RA-Heads always did a Nazi style salute for good measure. :eek:

DEFTLEFTHAND

Do you think that culture might be in serious decline with sections (not all) of the younger generation rejecting it. Some people in city colleges have serious issues with being from the sticks, it's almost like they're embarrassed that their father is a farmer and listens to country western.

They drop their local accents after a couple of weeks and start speaking like the urban middle class students. It's a bit sad really to be ashamed of where you came from.

comongethappy

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

They drop their local accents after a couple of weeks and start speaking like the urban middle class students. It's a bit sad really to be ashamed of where you came from.

Some people soak up accents quickly.
Its mostly not intentional.

No harm softening a cork/Kerry accent though.
Neither are pleasent on the ear.

chosen1

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

I was talking about Dublin. As far as I'm aware, he's not popular in Dublin and is seen as a a bit of a joke. Country music is generally laughed at in Dublin and I would be among those that would scoff tbh.

He has a fair bit of popularity amongst Dubs, going by the amount of people on my Facebook feed talking about queuing for tickets a few months back.

Wouldn't be my cup of tea but he's listenable compared the Country and Irish scene you'd hear in the country. Mainly popular among the 50+ generation (my Dad included) but you do come across the odd younger ones into that stuff.

topper75

comongethappy wrote: »

No harm softening a cork/Kerry accent though.
Neither are pleasent on the ear.

Quite subjective that - not to mention context dependent. If you want to trade sheep, it can give you the credibility that a DUUUUubliner could never expect at the mart! :pac:

suicide_circus

Some folk'll never eat a skunk
...but then again, some folk'll. ..

OldRio

mariaalice wrote: »

A lot of it is petty even silly another one that make me laugh is divide between those who play for the local soccer team v those who play for the local GAA team in small towns in Ireland.

You have soccer teams?

Sophisticated or what.

Ray Palmer

mrsdewinter wrote: »

Yes, okay, I'll bite. The concerns of the Traveller population are largely missing from mainstream media and online debate. I firmly believe that in years to come, our children will look back on the way we turned a blind eye to Traveller issues with genuine bewilderment. I dread the conversations of 2050 when young uns try to get to grips with the border-line racist attitudes that prevailed in the early years of the 21st century.

No they won't. The divide has been there for centuries with mistrust on both sides. If you think that will dramatically change within 36 years you are hoping for a lot.

I personally feel their own community could organise and provide for their own particular needs. Never understood why they haven't. Nothing against them but insisting on their particular needs be catered for just doesn't make sense.

Want to travel around and camp out buy your own land and don't trespass.

Their lifestyle choice is literally killing them. They could be great ambassadors for recycling and have a lot more support. It is very complex issue so I am not saying I understand all the issues.

Witchie

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Do you think that culture might be in serious decline with sections (not all) of the younger generation rejecting it. Some people in city colleges have serious issues with being from the sticks, it's almost like they're embarrassed that their father is a farmer and listens to country western.

They drop their local accents after a couple of weeks and start speaking like the urban middle class students. It's a bit sad really to be ashamed of where you came from.

Maybe they are not ashamed of where they are from but just want something more from life than a farm and country music.

It scares me how many young ones around these parts are into the Country music scene. And I don't mean the good stuff like Johnny Cash and Don Williams etc.

Shakespeare's Sister

Full-on change of accent after a few weeks can't be natural though.
A gradual hint of a new accent developing over several months, ok, that's bound to happen lots of people - but not a completely new accent all of a sudden and after a short period of time.

Davarus Walrus

I was at a fundraiser for a GAA club only last year. The main prize draw involved dividing the pitch into 300 sections and selling a section for €20 a pop. Buying a section gave you a chance to win a couple of thousand euro. To decide what section won involved a novel demonstration of rural life. It involved a former county hurling star chasing a bullock around the pitch with a stick, until the bullock took a shíte on a particular section. Any arguments about the section the bullock took a shíte in was to be decided by the volume of shíte on any two sections.

Hundreds turned out. There was a bbq. And a winner. This was followed by an auction where some of the lots involved: hoppers of turf, a castration of a young horse, homemade jam, driving lessons, and a slurry tank cleaning.

It was great fun. As I said, hundreds turned up. And I doubt that the majority of the people there would give two sideway shítes about the opinion of people belittling them on the Internet.

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Magaggie wrote: »

Full-on change of accent after a few weeks can't be natural though.
A gradual hint of a new accent developing over several months, ok, that's bound to happen lots of people - but not a completely new accent all of a sudden and after a short period of time.

Ah bollox. I can't stand that. I spent ages working the opposite end of the country to where I'm from, and I never spoke any differently.

I know everybody's not the same, but I think you've to alter your way of speaking by changing your accent rather than just talking naturally. Pretentious gits just trying to fit in with the locals.

Mal-Adjusted

Davarus Walrus wrote: »

I was at a fundraiser for a GAA club only last year. The main prize draw involved dividing the pitch into 300 sections and selling a section for €20 a pop. Buying a section gave you a chance to win a couple of thousand euro. To decide what section won involved a novel demonstration of rural life. It involved a former county hurling star chasing a bullock around the pitch with a stick, until the bullock took a shíte on a particular section. Any arguments about the section the bullock took a shíte in was to be decided by the volume of shíte on any two sections.

Hundreds turned out. There was a bbq. And a winner. This was followed by an auction where some of the lots involved: hoppers of turf, a castration of a young horse, homemade jam, driving lessons, and a slurry tank cleaning.

It was great fun. As I said, hundreds turned up. And I doubt that the majority of the people there would give two sideway shítes about the opinion of people belittling them on the Internet.

Jeremy Clarkson was at one of these in Belgium. they'd all put a bullock in the field and bet on where it ****es first. Never knew it was a thing in Ireland too.