The other Ireland

24-06-2014 09:08AM #1

Is there an other Ireland that rarely get mentioned or reflected in the media and wider culture, for example country and Irish music I know some one in there thirties who loves Nathan Carter and Mike Denver. The fact that large parts of Ireland are largely rural and some what conservator, yet the media is very urban and Dublin centric as if the other Ireland does not exist.

Barely There · 24-06-2014 09:17AM

mariaalice wrote: »

Is there an other Ireland that rarely get mentioned or reflected in the media and wider culture, for example country and Irish music I know some one in there thirties who loves Nathan Carter and Mike Denver or the fact that large parts of Ireland are largely rural and some what conservator, yet the media is very urban and Dublin centric as if the other Ireland does not exist.

That sentence is too long.

Citroen2cv · 24-06-2014 09:18AM

OP, do you hail from or live in the "other Ireland"?

24-06-2014 09:22AM

It is more that I am interested in the media and how it reflects society and it seems to me a lot of the main stream media misses out on who shades of Irish culture.

Mr_Red · 24-06-2014 09:22AM

Yeah, its called Newfoundland

catallus · 24-06-2014 09:25AM

One People, One Nation, Ein Deut...... Nope....

mrsdewinter · 24-06-2014 09:31AM

mariaalice wrote: »

Is there an other Ireland that rarely get mentioned or reflected in the media and wider culture, for example country and Irish music I know some one in there thirties who loves Nathan Carter and Mike Denver. The fact that large parts of Ireland are largely rural and some what conservator, yet the media is very urban and Dublin centric as if the other Ireland does not exist.

Yes, okay, I'll bite. The concerns of the Traveller population are largely missing from mainstream media and online debate. I firmly believe that in years to come, our children will look back on the way we turned a blind eye to Traveller issues with genuine bewilderment. I dread the conversations of 2050 when young uns try to get to grips with the border-line racist attitudes that prevailed in the early years of the 21st century.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 24-06-2014 09:41AM

mrsdewinter wrote: »

Yes, okay, I'll bite. The concerns of the Traveller population are largely missing from mainstream media and online debate. I firmly believe that in years to come, our children will look back on the way we turned a blind eye to Traveller issues with genuine bewilderment. I dread the conversations of 2050 when young uns try to get to grips with the border-line racist attitudes that prevailed in the early years of the 21st century.

I don't know if the OP is referring specifically to traveller issues. Where I grew up young, settled folk would listen to Irish country and western "stars" like the ones mentioned in the first post and, even, ones who sing mostly in Irish such as John Beag and Beairtle O'Domhnaill.

It is weird now, come to think of it, how popular that stuff is out in the sticks and, yet, I never hear anyone mention it on Boards.

mickdw · 24-06-2014 09:52AM

Erin Attractive Topping wrote: »

I don't know if the OP is referring specifically to traveller issues. Where I grew up young, settled folk would listen to Irish country and western "stars" like the ones mentioned in the first post and, even, ones who sing mostly in Irish such as John Beag and Beairtle O'Domhnaill.

It is weird now, come to think of it, how popular that stuff is out in the sticks and, yet, I never hear anyone mention it on Boards.

I live in the sticks so to speak. Country music is popular with certain folk, some young, some old. The reason is seldom mentioned on boards etc is that the very type who are into country music are the type who have not embraced the electronic age although out of necessity, a few have got to grips with donedeal website but only donedeal. To attempt to go to another website would be dangerous territory and they would need to be shown how to work it all over again.

earlytobed · 24-06-2014 09:55AM

You will see them(residents of this other Ireland) descending on Croke Park for the Garth Brooks gigs in large numbers.
Rural folk, largely ignored by the media, Nationwide excepted

4zn76tysfajdxp · 24-06-2014 09:57AM

mickdw wrote: »

I live in the sticks so to speak. Country music is popular with certain folk, some young, some old. The reason is seldom mentioned on boards etc is that the very type who are into country music are the type who have not embraced the electronic age although out of necessity, a few have got to grips with donedeal website but only donedeal. To attempt to go to another website would be dangerous territory and they would need to be shown how to work it all over again.

And Bebo.

Muise... · 24-06-2014 09:59AM

Hmmm. I grew up in the hinterland of Galway city, so I've always known both Irelands and been able to go between them. I think it's a listening thing - there isn't much code-switching involved if you are actually interested in the people you're conversing with - rather than summing them up as 'that other crowd'.

The media do this because they broadcast a one-way signal. I think it'd be a right shame if everyone else felt unable to pull up a stool in a pub or sit at a kitchen table on the other turf and feel at home.

biketard · 24-06-2014 09:59AM

I thought this was going to be about Northern Ireland.

cena · 24-06-2014 10:00AM

Nathan carter isn't even irish

ComputerKing · 24-06-2014 10:02AM

I know both Irelands op and absolutely love and adore country life. I also agree you don't hear a lot about it in the media and online. That's why there was an attempt last year I think to get a culchie or rural Ireland forum set up on boards and it got enough support but the admins for some reason or another felt that it was unnecessary.

SEPT 23 1989 · 24-06-2014 10:03AM

simple music for a slower pace of life

Legs.Eleven · 24-06-2014 10:04AM

Being from the Dublin sticks and not having a huge amount of contact with other sticky places outside The Pale bar the odd week on a farm in Cavan with my dad's family and holidays here and there as a kid, I got the shock of my life when I went to Galway years ago with an ex and got a coach out to Connemara and the driver blared Irish country music all the way down and again, on the way back up. Got to Clifton, immediately went to the pub which was completely empty bar a whole family around a big table singing "Ring of Fire" in the back room. I felt like i was visiting another country; I didn't recognise the one I was in at all. Twas a very strange feeling.

It's fair to say Irish media is very Dublin-centric alright. Hmmm. *Rubs beard*

Muise... · 24-06-2014 10:08AM

Erin Attractive Topping wrote: »

I don't know if the OP is referring specifically to traveller issues. Where I grew up young, settled folk would listen to Irish country and western "stars" like the ones mentioned in the first post and, even, ones who sing mostly in Irish such as John Beag and Beairtle O'Domhnaill.

It is weird now, come to think of it, how popular that stuff is out in the sticks and, yet, I never hear anyone mention it on Boards.

Where I Grew Up Young

A country song by Erin Attractive Topping and the Farmstead

wazky · 24-06-2014 10:08AM

Tis a feral place that 'other' Ireland, where the difference between the men and the women are the lengths of their beards.

topper75 · 24-06-2014 10:08AM

A salient point OP. This demographic is real, out there, and significant in numbers. The reason it doesn't get attention is €€€€. They don't have it to spend so much as their city-based 'sophisticated' cousins do. If they are not the focus for advertisers, their lives and concerns are not the focus for the media.

In truth there are many Irelands, even within our capital city alone. Your only hope of knowing them is to get out there and meet them. The media will only show you everything through their carefully-selected, commercially-orientated prism. You can't afford to leave them limit it for you.

4zn76tysfajdxp · 24-06-2014 10:10AM

Muise... wrote: »

Where I Grew Up Young

A country song by Frada and the Farmstead

I've been dying to wear a stetson.

Cee-Jay-Cee · 24-06-2014 10:17AM

mrsdewinter wrote: »

Yes, okay, I'll bite. The concerns of the Traveller population are largely missing from mainstream media and online debate. I firmly believe that in years to come, our children will look back on the way we turned a blind eye to Traveller issues with genuine bewilderment. I dread the conversations of 2050 when young uns try to get to grips with the border-line racist attitudes that prevailed in the early years of the 21st century.

Not a lot going on in your life when your dreading a conversation you 'may' have in 36 years time.

solomafioso · 24-06-2014 10:17AM

Mr_Red wrote: »

Yeah, its called Newfoundland

I'm Steve the Newfoundlander! (NSFW language)

pocketse · 24-06-2014 10:19AM

There is a huge country and irish scene in this country and although it wouldn't be particularly to my taste I think it's a disgrace that it's ignored by the media. Not just country and irish but most music produced by irish people.

I know in Canada there is a rule that a percentage of music that is broadcast must be home grown. At least then there is some encouragement given to a domestic music industry. I don't really care if it's boyzone, Mike Denver, de dannan or jedward. The fact that a percentage would have to be irish means that there is a greater chance that someone who appeals to my taste will get the opportunity to break through and make a career out of music. Instead of producing the best album that no one will ever hear.

Rant over/

mrsdewinter · 24-06-2014 10:19AM

Erin Attractive Topping wrote: »

I don't know if the OP is referring specifically to traveller issues. Where I grew up young, settled folk would listen to Irish country and western "stars" like the ones mentioned in the first post and, even, ones who sing mostly in Irish such as John Beag and Beairtle O'Domhnaill.

It is weird now, come to think of it, how popular that stuff is out in the sticks and, yet, I never hear anyone mention it on Boards.

Ah. I read him too literally, thought he was looking for a few examples of sectors of society that are largely sidelined from contemporary debate.

Mal-Adjusted · 24-06-2014 10:23AM

I'd be from rural Clare and my sister is soon to be married to the dubbiest dub who ever dubbed. To be fair, there isn't that much difference between most people on this island*, certainly not enough to consider them/us from another Ireland altogether. Well, except for these feckers! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Ireland_(island)

*or at least people who don't try to isolate themselves within their own communities.

munchkin_utd · 24-06-2014 10:23AM

pocketse wrote: »

There is a huge country and irish scene in this country and although it wouldn't be particularly to my taste I think it's a disgrace that it's ignored by the media. Not just country and irish but most music produced by irish people.
<snip>/

its far from ignored.
The local stations pump out enough of it, although less wall to wall than a decade ago.

Legs.Eleven · 24-06-2014 10:28AM

Mal-Adjusted wrote: »

I'd be from rural Clare and my sister is soon to be married to the dubbiest dub who ever dubbed. To be fair, there isn't that much difference between most people on this island*, certainly not enough to consider them/us from another Ireland altogether. Well, except for these feckers! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Ireland_(island)

*or at least people who don't try to isolate themselves within their own communities.

People trying to make out that there's massive differences between places in Ireland is fairly laughable but the country music phenomenon never really hit Dublin in any big way (except for that weird line dancing craze in the early 90s, which I'd rather forget).

5live · 24-06-2014 10:31AM

pocketse wrote: »

There is a huge country and irish scene in this country and although it wouldn't be particularly to my taste I think it's a disgrace that it's ignored by the media. Not just country and irish but most music produced by irish people.

I know in Canada there is a rule that a percentage of music that is broadcast must be home grown. At least then there is some encouragement given to a domestic music industry. I don't really care if it's boyzone, Mike Denver, de dannan or jedward. The fact that a percentage would have to be irish means that there is a greater chance that someone who appeals to my taste will get the opportunity to break through and make a career out of music. Instead of producing the best album that no one will ever hear.

Rant over/

Isn't that there already, that some 15-20%(?) of music has to be Irish and a similar amount must be talk.

Living in the country, you get used to the Dublin bias in the media but it does grate somewhat. It really grinds my gears when the presenter is waffling about the brilliant day outside and bbqs and heat while it's bucketing rain in 'this other country', ie, anywhere outside the pale:rolleyes:

Muise... · 24-06-2014 10:31AM

munchkin_utd wrote: »

its far from ignored.
The local stations pump out enough of it, although less wall to wall than a decade ago.

I

local radio stations. Listening to the death notices with a maudlin musak soundtrack while bussing through mountains, DJ's trying to extract conversation from local characters while clearly terrified at what they might come out with, the pirate station late night phone in where once they played charades... 'tis well worth putting up with the interruptions of twangy country songs.

Emme · 24-06-2014 10:33AM

Legs.Eleven wrote: »

People trying to make out that there's massive differences between places in Ireland is fairly laughable but the country music phenomenon never really hit Dublin in any big way (except for that weird line dancing craze in the early 90s, which I'd rather forget).

What about Garth Brooks? Where does he fit in? I am not a fan but he is very popular in the country.

I grew up in the country listening to my parents playing the worst country music imaginable (Big Tom, Roly Daniels). I hate country music with a passion to this day. Other people my age weren't so traumatized and will happily listen to country music - Garth Brooks is a favorite :rolleyes:

The other Ireland

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