Clerical Positions in the Civil and Public Service

Wheety

Public Appointments now accepting applications for full time Clerical Officers (Not TCO)

http://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/campaignAdvert/11792.htm

puma90

Just applied there

yenom

Interesting. I've applied for the TCO too.

Malarkey101

Shame its not across more departments.

Gomer Pyle

43 hours a week?

Kristopherus

Gomer Pyle wrote: »

43 hours a week?

= €9.36 per hour, a fabulous 71c more than the minimum wage. Dunnes, Tesco, Aldi, Lidl, etc pay more than that:mad::mad::mad:.

KERSPLAT!

Does that 43 hrs include breaks!?

Kristopherus

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

Does that 43 hrs include breaks!?

Should include breaks, but not Lunch Hour.

KERSPLAT!

So about 8-12.30 and 1.30-5.30... Long aul day for not much money!

barneystinson

Malarkey101 wrote: »

Shame its not across more departments.

It's across the whole public service.

barneystinson

KERSPLAT! wrote: »

So about 8-12.30 and 1.30-5.30... Long aul day for not much money!

43 is the hours of attendance, the working week is a 37-hour week.

Malarkey101

barneystinson wrote: »

It's across the whole public service.

Ah yea maybe you're right I thought it was just for the department of public expenditure and reform from what was said in work today and also if you look at the employing department on the job advertisement. But hopefully you're right worked in a few departments in the past I wouldnt mind going back to.

Tarzana

Kristopherus wrote: »

= €9.36 per hour, a fabulous 71c more than the minimum wage. Dunnes, Tesco, Aldi, Lidl, etc pay more than that:mad::mad::mad:.

I'm earning €7.30 an hour at the moment - I'd gladly take it.

WhiteWalls

With all the complaining aside, would it be still hard to get? I'm sure that if you got in the door at all it would be a job for life?

number13

Does anyone have a link to pay scale ? 21k not great money any know what the take home money would be ? Just graduated with a law degree does anyone think I would be better off waiting for the graduate positions

WhiteWalls

id imagine around 350 a week

number13

WhiteWalls wrote: »

id imagine around 350 a week

What ? 350 is crap by the time you drive to work . What way does the increments go ? I'd imagine the money goes up pretty quickly

barneystinson

http://www.impact.ie/Your-Sector/Public-Sector/Civil-Service/Civil-service-salary-scales/New-scales-for-new-entrants-2011-Civil-Service.htm

redout

WhiteWalls wrote: »

With all the complaining aside, would it be still hard to get? I'm sure that if you got in the door at all it would be a job for life?

While it is intended to fill permanent posts through this competition, offers of temporary positions may also be made in some cases.

You also have to successfully pass your probation period.

Apparently 15,000 applied for the recent TCO competition so going by that then yes I would imagine getting a position will be difficult. They also have not mentioned how many positions will be available.

Gongoozler

I'm at clerical officer grade, I earn 20859 per year, which for me is 1500 a month.
Increments don't kick in until after at least a year and a half as far as I know. Haven't got one myself yet anyway.

barneystinson

number13 wrote: »

What ? 350 is crap by the time you drive to work . What way does the increments go ? I'd imagine the money goes up pretty quickly

WHAT?! Don't you know our public servants are grossly overpaid...

(remember you said those words if in a couple of years yo're not a civil servant and planning to bash their pay! )

redout

number13 wrote: »

Does anyone have a link to pay scale ? 21k not great money any know what the take home money would be ? Just graduated with a law degree does anyone think I would be better off waiting for the graduate positions

If you mean the AO positions then there was already a few of them competitions at the end of last year (first recruitment in several years) so no guarantee there will be more anytime soon. Not all of them people have been put in jobs yet afaik.

WhiteWalls

anyone any idea when these positons will be filled?

redout

WhiteWalls wrote: »

anyone any idea when these positons will be filled?

Online aptitude, supervised aptitude and interview if successful. I would hazard a guess at 3 months from the time the tests start.

WhiteWalls

barneystinson wrote: »

http://www.impact.ie/Your-Sector/Public-Sector/Civil-Service/Civil-service-salary-scales/New-scales-for-new-entrants-2011-Civil-Service.htm

Thanks but that doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever

redout

WhiteWalls wrote: »

Thanks but that doesn't make any sense to me whatsoever

NRP - Clerical officer - PCC

20,859 - 21,830 - 22,805 - 23,778 - 24,752 - 25,724 - 26,672 - 27,619 - 28,569 - 29,515 - 30,456 - 31,924 - 33,078 - 33,607

That is the yearly increments:

i.e. Year 1 €20,859, Year 2 €21,830 etc.

WhiteWalls

Thanks redout, poor money at the beginning but I suppose if you got in the door it would be a career. Would there be an element to 'who you know' about this?

redout

WhiteWalls wrote: »

Thanks redout, poor money at the beginning but I suppose if you got in the door it would be a career. Would there be an element to 'who you know' about this?

I really couldn't say. Certainly in the past the entire government/civil service was rife with cronyism. Many would argue that it still is, especially in fields such as foreign affairs and third secretary i.e. diplomat positions. People believe that a lot of government jobs are 'gone' before they are even advertised.

barneystinson

WhiteWalls wrote: »

Thanks redout, poor money at the beginning but I suppose if you got in the door it would be a career. Would there be an element to 'who you know' about this?

This kind of talk nowadays really grinds my gears.

The first test is an online aptitude test, is "who you know" gonna fix that for you?

The second stage is a supervised aptitude test (where you're out unless you can deliver a result similar to the unsupervised online one). Is "who you know" gonna fix that for you?

The next round is an interview with a panel of more than one person. Is "who you know" gonna fix that for you?

If you know that many people that well you'd wanna set your sights higher than a CO job...!

WhiteWalls

I hope your right Barney Simpson!!

dearg lady

As far as I know the 43 includes lunch breaks, so 37 working hours.

barneystinson

WhiteWalls wrote: »

I hope your right Barney Simpson!!

About what?! Unless you either haven't read the info booklet, aren't capable of logical comprehension, or are a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, it's pretty clear "knowing people" isn't going to get you far in this process.

(And it's Stinson)

WhiteWalls

barneystinson wrote: »

About what?! Unless you either haven't read the info booklet, aren't capable of logical comprehension, or are a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, it's pretty clear "knowing people" isn't going to get you far in this process.

(And it's Stinson)

Sorry Mr Stenson, you are right!! Think I'm too used to listening to old fashioned my parents!!

thisNthat

number13 wrote: »

Just graduated with a law degree does anyone think I would be better off waiting for the graduate positions

If I was you I'd definitely wait,
People who have no qualifications bar the leaving cert could get these jobs, (And the money shows this, its crap)
For someone who spent the time, money and effort of getting a degree I'd wait.

bisset

It might be worthwhile applying for the experience of going through the selection process.

Technocentral

thisNthat wrote: »

If I was you I'd definitely wait,
People who have no qualifications bar the leaving cert could get these jobs, (And the money shows this, its crap)
For someone who spent the time, money and effort of getting a degree I'd wait.

If you're unemployed for a while why not apply? Once in there its better than being on the dole and you can always apply for jobs related to your degree then leave when you get one.

WhiteWalls

I know its only guess work at the moment but anyone any idea how many they would be taking on?

gazzer

WhiteWalls wrote: »

I know its only guess work at the moment but anyone any idea how many they would be taking on?

There is absolutely no way of knowing this. The competition has only been announced. Successful people will be put on a panel that will last two years. People will be hired off the panel as needed.

barneystinson

thisNthat wrote: »

If I was you I'd definitely wait,
People who have no qualifications bar the leaving cert could get these jobs, (And the money shows this, its crap)
For someone who spent the time, money and effort of getting a degree I'd wait.

Just because the MINIMUM requirement is a leaving cert doesn't mean that's the profile of successful applicants.

I don't know any CO's under the age of 40 (ie hired relatively recently) who don't have a 3rd level qualification.

A secure job paying 21k, with a clear salary scale, opportunities for promotion and a defined benefit pension, is a very good opportunity for a college graduate in this country these days.

thisNthat

Depends on your ambitions in life, Good enough for you maybe,
For others they might like to raise the bar a little higher.

21k is crap money and all taxes after that, The clear salary scale is also crap,
And "A secure Job" Don't make me laugh, No such thing anymore,

If the ECB and IMF want our public services reduced, then our yes boys in government will do as they say and its the boys at the bottom (On 21k) who will be first to go,

You're only needed until it becomes automated, in every industry.
Secure job ha ha... please..

barneystinson wrote: »

Just because the MINIMUM requirement is a leaving cert doesn't mean that's the profile of successful applicants.

I don't know any CO's under the age of 40 (ie hired relatively recently) who don't have a 3rd level qualification.

A secure job paying 21k, with a clear salary scale, opportunities for promotion and a defined benefit pension, is a very good opportunity for a college graduate in this country these days.

jjnaas

barneystinson wrote: »

Just because the MINIMUM requirement is a leaving cert doesn't mean that's the profile of successful applicants.

I don't know any CO's under the age of 40 (ie hired relatively recently) who don't have a 3rd level qualification.

A secure job paying 21k, with a clear salary scale, opportunities for promotion and a defined benefit pension, is a very good opportunity for a college graduate in this country these days.

Quite a few lads I finished school with went into the civil service instead of college. This would have been 2004-2005 and none of them had a degree or even 500+ leaving cert points or anything so I hope nobody reading decides they shouldn't apply if they don't have a degree.
I'm a TCO at the moment. The youngest permanent staff member here is 32. Nobody had 3rd level education.1 girl I've spoken to is studying for a degree at night.

I wish they would start recruiting at EO level. Now that would be a much better opportunity for a graduate. The CO pay scale is shocking - 12 years before you make the average industrial wage!

Technocentral

I worked for 3 years in a college 15 years ago with Public Sector pay scales, does anyone know if this will mean that I'll start on a higher pay increment than someone new to the Public Sector, ie starting on the 4th increment?

barneystinson

jjnaas wrote: »

Quite a few lads I finished school with went into the civil service instead of college. This would have been 2004-2005 and none of them had a degree or even 500+ leaving cert points or anything so I hope nobody reading decides they shouldn't apply if they don't have a degree.
I'm a TCO at the moment. The youngest permanent staff member here is 32. Nobody had 3rd level education.1 girl I've spoken to is studying for a degree at night.

I wish they would start recruiting at EO level. Now that would be a much better opportunity for a graduate. The CO pay scale is shocking - 12 years before you make the average industrial wage!

It's not shocking pay for what the job is.

FloatingVoter

Technocentral wrote: »

I worked for 3 years in a college 15 years ago with Public Sector pay scales, does anyone know if this will mean that I'll start on a higher pay increment than someone new to the Public Sector, ie starting on the 4th increment?

That's assuming we get the jobs...but I'd second that question. I did 3 years in Revenue 10 years back on a Tax Officer grade. Do I start where I left off ? Or is it Day 1 all over again ?

Technocentral

FloatingVoter wrote: »

That's assuming we get the jobs...but I'd second that question. I did 3 years in Revenue 10 years back on a Tax Officer grade. Do I start where I left off ? Or is it Day 1 all over again ?

Im starting Monday, just wondering if its on a higher increment due to previous "service".

jjnaas

barneystinson wrote: »

It's not shocking pay for what the job is.

Partially agree but actually there's a few temp COs on 6 month contracts in my building at the moment (diff department) who are doing very specialised work in IT. It's not true that all COs are just filing and answering phones.

Also for someone who has graduated after 4 years of hard work I would really think and think again before short selling myself and accepting a CO job for life. It will suit some people no doubt and I wish them the best but I'd caution that you might want to go over all options before commiting to a job where you'll be filing and typing and not exploring your full skill set or being assigned a rather specialised role and being expected to do it for a CO salary. EO used to be graduate entry.

As I say I'm a TCO at the moment. Grateful for it but also realistic! There's a lot of folks here for 2 decades, doing very repetitive work, reached the salary cap, still have 2 decades before retirement and very little chance of promotion. A hungry graduate with a law degree might crack up unless he uses it as a 'stop gap'!!

boobar

Technocentral wrote: »

Im starting Monday, just wondering if its on a higher increment due to previous "service".

Check Page 9 of the booklet.

boobar

jjnaas wrote: »

I wish they would start recruiting at EO level. Now that would be a much better opportunity for a graduate. The CO pay scale is shocking - 12 years before you make the average industrial wage!

I read another thread recently that mentioned that an EO or AO competition will also be held this year.

Best thing to do register with publicjobs and sign up for alerts.

boobar

Technocentral wrote: »

Hi Pardon my ignorance, which booklet?

No problem,

On publicjobs.ie, there's an information booklet you can download, it'll give you lots of info about the job, locations, the test, the salary etc.

http://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/campaignAdvert/11792.htm

Technocentral

boobar wrote: »

No problem,

On publicjobs.ie, there's an information booklet you can download, it'll give you lots of info about the job, locations, the test, the salary etc.

http://www.publicjobs.ie/publicjobs/campaignAdvert/11792.htm

Yeah, got mixed up thought I was in the TCO thread! But I think that means if you are just starting in there you can't negotiate your wage, doesn't mention anything about previous PS jobs not counting.

boobar

Technocentral wrote: »

I worked for 3 years in a college 15 years ago with Public Sector pay scales, does anyone know if this will mean that I'll start on a higher pay increment than someone new to the Public Sector, ie starting on the 4th increment?

I doubt you'll start on anything other than point one.

Did you resign from that college job?