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Irish water truth

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    #92
    Barely There
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,481 ✭✭✭Barely There


    renegademaster wrote: »
    the installation of water meters are being stopped daily across Dublin, large numbers coming out to meetings held in estates, all ya have to do is walk a few feet from your door and sit on the path for a half hour or an hour, work on your meter is called off, a battle won ;)


    Shame the war's already been lost eh?


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    #93
    renegademaster
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,670 ✭✭✭renegademaster


    Barely There wrote: »
    Shame the war's already been lost eh?

    with an attitude like that, its no wonder the elite keep fcuking us over, its never ever too late to stand up to corruption!!


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    #94
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    Robbo wrote: »
    In many buckets labelled "Swag", supplied by the Rothschilds and Denis O'Brien.

    No doubt Denis issued this order from the comfort of his lair in an extinct volcano. Before laughing manically at his latest dastardly scheme against the Irish people.


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    #95
    Remmy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,921 ✭✭✭Remmy


    I'm tellin Dennis


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    #96
    mickydoomsux
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,290 ✭✭✭mickydoomsux


    renegademaster wrote: »
    the installation of water meters are being stopped daily across Dublin, large numbers coming out to meetings held in estates, all ya have to do is walk a few feet from your door and sit on the path for a half hour or an hour, work on your meter is called off, a battle won ;)

    I would but i'm too busy working so that i can fulfill my obligation as a citizen and pay my bills/taxes.


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    #97
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    I was going to put a bucket in my fireplace and a funnel in my chimney, then I realised that water never comes down my chimney... Clearly the government are already stealing it somehow, it's a conspiracy I tell ya!


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    #98
    Bogan
    Registered Users Posts: 37 ✭Bogan


    Coat22 wrote: »
    I’d be fairly sure, now that they have a meter at the point where the water turns into every home, that there will be some way of doing this.

    Just pay for your bloody water like the rest of the civilised world.

    It's because of people like you that government can sell off assets with ease.

    Of course they won't just turn off your water. That would never be allowed to happen so they'll find other ways as a workaround.


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    #99
    darkpagandeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,465 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Bogan wrote: »
    It's because of people like you that government can sell off assets with ease.

    Of course they won't just turn off your water. That would never be allowed to happen so they'll find other ways as a workaround.

    Prepaid meters ? You cut your self off then and get charged stupidly high amounts.


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    #100
    petronius
    Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭petronius


    Irish Water is a scam -
    it is the government setting up a utility company which it wants to privatise some time in the future.
    That is why they invested money in it, without even supplying a business plan or estimate of the cost per household.
    It would have been cheaper to have a flat fee for water and not have to install meters.
    No government party member answered me when i asked them during the local elections campaigning
    How much will it be to have a bath, shower, flush the toilet?


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    #101
    VinLieger
    Registered Users Posts: 17,819 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    renegademaster wrote: »
    with an attitude like that, its no wonder the elite keep fcuking us over, its never ever too late to stand up to corruption!!

    The Elite? Oh lol


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    #102
    joe swanson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭joe swanson


    Don't worry. Eh it actually benefits you not to use as much water because you wont be brainwashed as much by the fluoride in it that the banksters put there to keep the sheep quiet.

    Or something like that.

    Maybe. That's it isn't it?


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    #103
    folan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭folan


    joe swanson wrote: »
    Don't worry. Eh it actually benefits you not to use as much water because you wont be brainwashed as much by the fluoride in it that the banksters put there to keep the sheep quiet.

    Or something like that.

    Maybe. That's it isn't it?

    its sheeple. but otherwise, spot on.


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    #104
    Davarus Walrus
    Registered Users Posts: 1,280 ✭✭✭Davarus Walrus


    VinLieger wrote: »
    The Elite? Oh lol

    Yes. The elite. A shadowy group of people who happen to make more money than the deluded cranks who spend their days giving out about everything on the Internet.


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    #105
    folan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭folan


    Davarus Walrus wrote: »
    Yes. The elite. A shadowy group of people who happen to make more money than the deluded cranks who spend their days giving out about everything on the Internet.

    shadowy? they just happen to make more money? deluded cranks? Internet?

    good lord, why have I never seen this before! My eyes are open!


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    #106
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    Davarus Walrus wrote: »
    Yes. The elite. A shadowy group of people who happen to make more money than the deluded cranks who spend their days giving out about everything on the Internet.

    the delicious irony...:p


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    #107
    Guy:Incognito
    Registered Users Posts: 38,247 ✭✭✭✭Guy:Incognito


    petronius wrote: »
    It would have been cheaper to have a flat fee for water and not have to install meters.

    So people can use as much as possible to "get their monies worth"? Counter productive, no?


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    #108
    folan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭folan


    a fee based on what i use as opposed to a flat fee irrespective of use seems reasonable to me.


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    #109
    Foxhound38
    Registered Users Posts: 2,547 ✭✭✭Foxhound38


    sligoface wrote: »
    When our water get privatized and the price skyrockets we'll really wish we made more of a stand on this. TV license/broadcast charge, bin charges, water charges, property tax, we just bend over and take it all. They made this tax up and put in meters to justify it.

    Summary: I don't want to have to pay for public services anymore


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    #110
    Buzz Killington the third
    Closed Accounts Posts: 938 ✭✭✭Buzz Killington the third


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Summary: I don't want to have to pay for public services anymore

    Nope, Summary: For years we've been told our taxes our paying for this, now they've privatised it and we'll have to pay again. All because the governments of past and present can't keep a hold of their expenditure.


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    #111
    Banjo String
    Closed Accounts Posts: 14,380 ✭✭✭✭Banjo String


    folan wrote: »
    a fee based on what i use as opposed to a flat fee irrespective of use seems reasonable to me.

    More will have flat fees than meters installed (much more) by roll out time. So I'm guessing you'll think that's pretty unreasonable so.


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    #112
    AwayWithFaries
    Registered Users Posts: 452 ✭✭AwayWithFaries


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    dont fiddle with the manhole

    Yeah , I hate when people fiddle with my man hole.


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    #113
    geeksauce
    Closed Accounts Posts: 826 ✭✭✭geeksauce


    Banjo String wrote: »
    More will have flat fees than meters installed (much more) by roll out time. So I'm guessing you'll think that's pretty unreasonable so.

    Of course its unreasonable as I could pay more if I am metered than someone on a flat fee even if I use less water than them. So paying more for less would be deemed unreasonable.


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    #114
    folan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,630 ✭✭✭folan


    Banjo String wrote: »
    More will have flat fees than meters installed (much more) by roll out time. So I'm guessing you'll think that's pretty unreasonable so.

    yep, i think they should hold off until all metering can be completed and all metering should be started from a common time


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    #115
    petronius
    Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭petronius


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    So people can use as much as possible to "get their monies worth"? Counter productive, no?

    well if water meters is to get funding so as we improve our service, fix leaks, more capacity as population increases

    rather than the users be seen as a sorce of income, being more efficent with transporting water fixing leaks etc should be their goal.

    Have Irish water been set targets to meet such as reducing the number/volume of leaks? Increasing resevoir capacity

    Dare i say it even look at water recycling?


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    #116
    petronius
    Registered Users Posts: 849 ✭✭✭petronius


    I see they are expanding capacity at Leixlip Water Treatment plant...
    what % of the increased capacity will leak out?
    Is increasing capacity by fixing leaks not better money spent long term


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    #117
    Nemeses
    Registered Users Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭Nemeses


    petronius wrote: »

    Dare i say it even look at water recycling?

    I don't want to drink yellow water...


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    #118
    [Deleted User]
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    Drakares wrote: »
    Just pay the water charges and stop being a complete idiot.


    Already am paying water taxes, sheep .


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    #119
    sligoface
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭sligoface


    Foxhound38 wrote: »
    Summary: I don't want to have to pay for public services anymore

    No. I can't afford a new bill for something that I already pay for. Is my water going to get better now since they're charging me more? Tell me how, and I'll let you know if it ever happens but I won't hold my breath.

    Rte takes the tv license money and still has ads and I don't even want or need it.

    New by-laws for bins mean I am forced to sign up for a service to a private waste company and they can hit me with whatever standing charge they pluck out of the air instead of pay as you go tags. Another forced ripoff.

    What do people get for the property tax here? Nothing. In the US it pays for your refuse at least, besides funding schools and other things. And if you told someone you needed a license for a tv you'd be laughed at.

    There's no work in the west of Ireland so I cannot pay this new charge. But instead of wasting time sending out CV's every week maybe I'll just get the missus knocked up. We'll have more money and more water and I can make everyone walk in the street to avoid my massive pram. I'm already classed as a typical waster layabout by the likes of you due to being unemployed and unable to pay for the water charges, might as well completely fulfill the stereotype. Never mind that me being on the dole and the water charge being introduced are both due to a recession I had no part in causing.

    Young college grads like me who can't get work and can't afford to emigrate are pretty fecked, and this is just another spoonful of misery can't take. So you can go and stick your summary.


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    #120
    Satriale
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,023 ✭✭✭Satriale


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/promised-childrens-free-water-allowance-to-be-cut-30391081.html

    methinks they should have spent some of those 50 millions on some decent PR...


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    #121
    sligoface
    Closed Accounts Posts: 556 ✭✭✭sligoface


    Satriale wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/promised-childrens-free-water-allowance-to-be-cut-30391081.html

    methinks they should have spent some of those 50 millions on some decent PR...

    No surprise there, breaking promises once the elections are over. The gov are saying that it turns out children are using less water than they estimated. This is based on houses that were metered. Obviously they have no way of knowing how much water each specific family member used so is based on total usage for the house.

    These households were metered, they conserved water, and now their free allowance will be cut. That's what will happen to all of us if we conserve water. Either that or increase the rates. The gov care nothing about conserving water and that was a complete lie. They are just trying to get money out of people's pockets and conserving water will not save anyone any money. Anyone who thinks so is being incredibly naive. If we all start using less water we will just get the allowance dropped or the rates raised on us. Especially since they need to make the profits attractive so they can privatize it.

    If it turned out that those metered families used much more water than their allowance, do you think the allowance would be raised to accommodate that? Would they feck! It's a one way street in this country and all our money goes straight to the fat cats. We can't go disappointing them by conserving water to stay under the free allowance, they need those profits. I for one, will do my part and make sure to leave the tap running for a few hours each day just to make sure the poor dears at Irish Water don't go hungry.

    Anyone who thinks this a good idea because people will stop wasting water in order to save money, get a clue. The less we use the more we'll end up paying, either due to cuts in the free allowance or a higher price per unit. The link satriale posted proves this. The precedent has been set, this is how Irish Water will operate.

    But no, all of us opposed to the charge are rabble, troublemakers, freeloaders. Never mind the lies and profiteering right in front of our eyes. Never mind the morality of a government of a people who once had a quarter of it's population disappear due to lack of food now threatening to cut of people's water when many are still suffering greatly due to a crippling recession and have no jobs and no money to give.

    As I said before, most people who support this charge are either naive as regards to the charge inspiring water conservation and water quality improvements, or more likely, simply the middle class people who can afford it, who look down on those cannot or will not pay as layabouts and parasites, thinking 'they're all on the dole stealing my tax', etc.

    I look forward to the day when all the old codgers and gombeens who decimated the country and left nothing for fututre generations other than debt die off. The only ones left will be those who could not afford to emigrate and I hope that we remember what was done to us and can work together to achieve fairness for our own children and grandchildren. Unfortunately, many of our best and brightest young minds will be long gone never to return.


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