Are Teens Getting Worse?

Fratton Fred

I've lived in the same area, close to a south Dublin beach, for eight years.

That beach, this evening, looks like a war zone. Broken glass, litter, empty beer cans, even dirty nappies just left there, the majority no more than five metres from the nearest bin.

Not just that, but Dun Laoghaire today had groups of kids walking around barely dressed. Lads in just shorts, girls in shorts rammed up their back sides and tiny bikini tops on. Fine on the beach, but not appropriate really for walking around a town centre or catching the Dart.

The thing is, every year it seems to be getting worse. Bigger groups of teenagers, more drinking and more 97 -reg chavved up Honda civics tearing around the place.

Are teenagers getting worse, or am I getting older, fast?

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Fratton Fred wrote: »

even dirty nappies just left there

It sounds like the babies are getting worse, if anyone is.

Sand

Teens have been getting worse since 1679.

super_furry

No.

The King of Moo

No, they're the same as they've always been.
Adults have always complained about teenagers because they're more annoying, erratic and emotionally turbulent, and they always will.

Lucifer MorningStar

No, just Dublin teens

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The King of Moo wrote: »

Adults have always complained about teenagers because they're more annoying, erratic and emotionally turbulent, and they always will.

Adults just can't get it together.

emo72

the mad ones are getting madder

Fratton Fred

The King of Moo wrote: »

No, they're the same as they've always been.
Adults have always complained about teenagers because they're more annoying, erratic and emotionally turbulent, and they always will.

Are they though? I'm generally pretty tolerant towards teenagers, mainly because I still think I'm 18, but the general attitude of not caring seems to be more now than ever.

humbert

Consequences and responsibility have diminished.

Alf. A. Male

I grew up next to one of the beaches currently at the centre of the issues. It was always the same, it just didn't make the news and there was no social media to tell the rest of the world about it. Same old.

B.A._Baracus

I know you can say it's wrong to laugh at others ... but you can't help but laugh at the male teenagers these days who clearly use hair straighteners. But have such a "dont mess with me, i am a hardman" swagger about them :pac:

the_syco

Fratton Fred wrote: »

The thing is, every year it seems to be getting worse. Bigger groups of teenagers, more drinking and more 97 -reg chavved up Honda civics tearing around the place.

Surely there's a limit to how many were produced in '97?

They have no jobs, but as they're from families who remember having no jobs in the 80's, they get cash to enjoy themselves.

fleet_admiral

Its only bad and reported when it happens on the northside. There was murder a couple of weeks in a park in Drimnagh, south Dublin but that wasnt on the news

Frank Lee Midere

Probably not. Although teenagers certainly got worse in the 1950's-1960's era, around which time they were invented as a social group.

How Soon Is Now

Nah your right for the most part. I mean obviously there not all that bad plenty that don't go on that way but....

Society has gone to **** teenagers are growing up in a time when really anything goes. Loads of little loud mouth un educated dopes hanging around these days and when I say uneducated I don't just mean intelligence I mean they honestly have no idea how to act in public.

The people they look up to and copy ain't exactly helping either. It's unfortunately fairly normal to see girls 12 on wards walking the street in basically there jocks and fellas acting like there from the hood.

Frank Lee Midere

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Its only bad and reported when it happens on the northside. There was murder a couple of weeks in a park in Drimnagh, south Dublin but that wasnt on the news

Yeah. The south side is too poor for the northside bourgeoisie to care about.

Fratton Fred

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Its only bad and reported when it happens on the northside. There was murder a couple of weeks in a park in Drimnagh, south Dublin but that wasnt on the news

Someone shot a bouncer at the Noggin inn a couple of weeks back. Only a minor wound thankfully.

Barely a word in the press.

Nothing has changed. In the 1920's the same concerns were raised, for different reasons. Women voting was supposed to herald the end of civil order, dresses that showed ankles were a threat to public morality, short haircuts the demise of femininity. Alcohol was prohibited to curb the despoilment of young people, and the up til then floundering organised crime industry gained legs. Whenever economies dip there is an upsurge in countering movements, the anti social and the ultra conservative. Nothing ever changes in substance, only in detail. Things are better now for people in the West than ever before, we're just more aware of the downsides than ever before.

catallus

This line that "nothing has changed and people were always like this when they were young" is the catch-cry of the leftist-liberalistic elite who are only too glad to see legions of un-employable louts roam the streets; plenty of fresh slacker-voters who will suck on the ever expanding teat of the state.

Sunnyisland

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Its only bad and reported when it happens on the northside. There was murder a couple of weeks in a park in Drimnagh, south Dublin but that wasnt on the news

What murder was that then ?
Ballyfermot,tallaght,clondalkin,drimnagh,crumlin are all on the south side and are frequently in the media for all the wrong reasons.

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Someone shot a bouncer at the Noggin inn a couple of weeks back. Only a minor wound thankfully.

Barely a word in the press.

That shooting was well reported on in both the press and radio/ tv with a man being arrested soon after.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/man-due-in-court-in-connection-with-dublin-pub-shooting-30341184.html

LeinsterDub

You're just getting older.

fleet_admiral

realies wrote: »

What murder was that then ?






That shooting was well reported on in both the press and radio/ tv with a man being arrested soon after.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/man-due-in-court-in-connection-with-dublin-pub-shooting-30341184.html

Murder as in fights.

jugger0

On the spot execution for chavs, too many people in the world these days maybe its time we knocked off the chit ones.

The Pheasant2

“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”

- Socrates

You're getting older

Sunnyisland

jugger0 wrote: »

On the spot execution for chavs, too many people in the world these days maybe its time we knocked off the chit ones.

Should start with our keyboard warriors.

jugger0

realies wrote: »

Should start with our keyboard warriors.

Sounds like back talk to me soft boy, i'll wreck you down the ball alley kid.

Duckworth_Luas

“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.”

- Socrates

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

You're getting older

This quote is used all the time in After Hours. Problem is that Socrates never said or wrote it!

Tail Docker

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

This quote is used all the time in After Hours. Problem is that Socrates never said or wrote it!

Well he should have. Cheek of him taking the credit all this time.

Meangadh

I've been teaching teenagers for about 10 years and I don't really see a difference in their behaviour except I would say that girls are far more streetwise than they were and definitely are much more into appearances than they were when it comes to hair and makeup and clothes. I would hate to be a teenage girl now because it's all about selfies and posing in photos for Facebook/Snapchat etc. I can even see it in my 9 year old cousin- an absolute dote of a kid but is already posing with pouts etc in photos. Could be harmless but I do think kids grow up too soon now. Especially girls.

I would also be fearful when it comes to kids growing up in areas where guns and drugs are part of daily life for their families, so then it becomes the norm for them as they grow up too- there seems to be more of that than before but in fairness that's just a casual observation on my behalf, I've no figures to back that up.

But as regards knowing the difference between right and wrong etc- I don't think teens have changed for the most part, we've just gotten older and less patient about their behaviour.

pragmatic1

I actually think they're getting better. Reality tv has made them little softies.

The Pheasant2

Duckworth_Luas wrote: »

This quote is used all the time in After Hours. Problem is that Socrates never said or wrote it!

Don't you dare tyrannize me!

And stand up when you're being spoken to...you impertinent little whelp!

hatrickpatrick

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Not just that, but Dun Laoghaire today had groups of kids walking around barely dressed. Lads in just shorts, girls in shorts rammed up their back sides and tiny bikini tops on. Fine on the beach, but not appropriate really for walking around a town centre or catching the Dart.

Why not?
I was actually with you on the litter, but Ireland has had enough BS social conservatism to last it a lifetime. As a nation we need to grow up and stop being so afraid of the human body.

Frank Lee Midere

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Why not?
I was actually with you on the litter, but Ireland has had enough BS social conservatism to last it a lifetime. As a nation we need to grow up and stop being so afraid of the human body.

As a nation the Irish human body needs to be afraid of the Sun.

Fratton Fred

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Why not?
I was actually with you on the litter, but Ireland has had enough BS social conservatism to last it a lifetime. As a nation we need to grow up and stop being so afraid of the human body.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of ladies getting the puppies out. 14/15 does seem a bit too young.

Username6212

They act how you raise them, my mom used to smack me as a child, I now have a mental disorder called "respect for others"

Frank Lee Midere

I'm 39 and these teenagers are better than we were and the oasis lager louts who followed us. And the e- poppers who followed them. Or was it the same time. I would get angry about this kind of stuff had I not participated in it.

Imagine though how people felt when teenaged stuff first kicked off - the 50's or 60's. Riots on Brighton beaches. Mods vs rockers. Must have seemed like the end of the earth to WWII veterans, the last generation to go from childhood to jobs and adulthood at 16 ( in general) without the interregnum of years of education with long summer breaks where time has to be spent some how.

Teenagers haven't always been like this. Just as long as anybody alive can remember.

efb

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7pVjl4Rrtc

nails1

No, but each teenage generation seem to be getting more scant in their clothing choice

catallus

catallus wrote: »

This line that "nothing has changed and people were always like this when they were young" is the catch-cry of the leftist-liberalistic elite who are only too glad to see legions of un-employable louts roam the streets; plenty of fresh slacker-voters who will suck on the ever expanding teat of the state.

Do you never read your posts back and cringe?

masti123

fleet_admiral wrote: »

Its only bad and reported when it happens on the northside. There was murder a couple of weeks in a park in Drimnagh, south Dublin but that wasnt on the news

Agreed, they had a robbed JCB in the park too, not a word in the media.

hatrickpatrick

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Don't get me wrong, I'm all in favour of ladies getting the puppies out. 14/15 does seem a bit too young.

Don't really see why not, if we're to normalize the human body to the point at which shame is removed, this surely has to start in childhood where such shame is initially fostered, no? In other words, it makes little sense to tell people "there's something to be ashamed about regarding your body now, but there won't be in a few years" - either it's ok or it isn't, imo.

obplayer

nails1 wrote: »

No, but each teenage generation seem to be getting more scant in their clothing choice

Is that not their choice? Anyway it's probably because of global warming.

Legs.Eleven

If you think teenagers are worse now than your day, you were obviously the kind to sit in and watch the Late Late with your parents on a Friday night, which is perfectly fine, but you didn't know half of what went on among your generation. The only difference now is the existence of the internet.

Shakespeare's Sister

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Teenagers haven't always been like this. Just as long as anybody alive can remember.

The view of the younger generation as a crowd of gimps has always existed though, it seems.

WilyCoyote

Fratton Fred wrote: »

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Are teenagers getting worse, or am I getting older, fast?

Fredrick - me auld flower. Much as I'd like to think that we are staying the same age ......... unfortunately the Grim Reaper thinks otherwise.

“Our youth now love luxury. They have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for their elders and love chatter in place of exercise; they no longer rise when elders enter the room; they contradict their parents, chatter before company; gobble up their food and tyrannize their teachers.” was Socrates take on it around 420 BCE.

Here's Mike and The Mechanics - a more contemporary take:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uGDA0Hecw1k

donegal__road

Depends which part of the world you are in OP. I am in Eastern Canada, and the teens here are more reserved compared to young people of the same age in Dublin.

porsche959

They're eating their parents!!!

BeerWolf

Blame it on the anti-corporal punishment crowd... now that it's taboo to smack a child to discipline them, kids have been getting a lot more unruly knowing they can get away with it...

Duckworth_Luas

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Don't you dare tyrannize me!

And stand up when you're being spoken to...you impertinent little whelp!

50% of the quotes used in internet discussions are fake and gay!

- Napoleon Bonaparte

KungPao

Meangadh wrote: »

I've been teaching teenagers for about 10 years and I don't really see a difference in their behaviour except I would say that girls are far more streetwise than they were and definitely are much more into appearances than they were when it comes to hair and makeup and clothes. I would hate to be a teenage girl now because it's all about selfies and posing in photos for Facebook/Snapchat etc. I can even see it in my 9 year old cousin- an absolute dote of a kid but is already posing with pouts etc in photos. Could be harmless but I do think kids grow up too soon now. Especially girls.

I would also be fearful when it comes to kids growing up in areas where guns and drugs are part of daily life for their families, so then it becomes the norm for them as they grow up too- there seems to be more of that than before but in fairness that's just a casual observation on my behalf, I've no figures to back that up.

But as regards knowing the difference between right and wrong etc- I don't think teens have changed for the most part, we've just gotten older and less patient about their behaviour.

In the old days, childhood ended pretty damn early, and you were off to work. This extension of childhood well into late teens (and even 20s!) and mollycoddlement is a fairly modern thing.