Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

gracehopper

I think we saw what we need last night. Go get Vidal, 30 or 40 m who cares, just get him.

redbaron_99

gracehopper wrote: »

I think we saw what we need last night. Go get Vidal, 30 or 40 m who cares, just get him.

His energy levels are astounding. He didn't stop for the 85 minutes (approx) that he was on. That sort of commitment and energy would transform our team.

ericzeking

Fenix wrote: »

I've said it before, I'll say it again. If we have an interested foreign club, sell Rooney.

He's not going to usurp RVP at Lone striker, he's not as good as Mata (and arguably Kagawa) at number 10, he's shown for England that he can't play on either flank. Too old / unwilling to be adapted to a central midfield role.

He's a good player (not world class) but I honestly think his departure could benefit the team rather than weaken it.

Bad thing is, he's bullied the club into giving him such ridiculous wages that only a few clubs are viable transfer targets.

I'm well aware that mine is not a popular opinion amount utd fans, but it's mine regardless.

I'd say your's is more popular than you think, the hard on for RVP is a strong one these days particularly since we appointed LVG.

Rooney is getting it in the neck from all angles for one reason or another.

Personally I think Rooney is every bit as good as RVP as a lone central striker and he has proved it in the past.

bullvine

Rooney got a raw deal off the English press, going on about the chance he missed, you think it was a Ronnie Rosenthal miss the way the media was portraying it, they are always looking for someone to blame.

The team is abysmal, compare it to the team they had in 02 and 06, a wealth of talent at their disposal and still couldn't get by the quarter finals.

uggybear

It's almost like this with the English press:
Win the game = praise the team
Lose the game = blame their best player for missing a penalty/chance

MagicIRL

England didn't score goals against Italy and lost. Somehow that's Rooney's fault for playing LW. We'll diregard the fact that Mr. Sturridge only scored the one, and lil' Raheem scored zilch and Danny Welbeck offered nothing either. Let us add in the fact that Gerrard and Henderson also offered nothing from midfield, and a 35 year old Andrea Pirlo (who is magnificant and beautiful in every way) didn't even break a sweat in the Italian midfield.

Paul Tergat

The worst thing was that Rooney was being blamed by some of the English pundits for both not being the creator and scorer of our goals as well as not tracking his full back who was bombing on. We (England) might be doing the same to him as was done to Scholes which was a huge mistake

Zico

Rooney is far from the first Utd player targetted by the press because of his performances for England but he's the first one I've no sympathy for.

Rooney lost my respect permanently when he demanded his transfer first time round and now that he thinks he's worth £300,000 a week he deserves all the criticism he gets if he doesn't play like it, as far as I'm concerned.

I'd be delighted if we could just swap him for Hummels or Vidal.

ElChe32

MagicIRL wrote: »

England didn't score goals against Italy and lost. Somehow that's Rooney's fault for playing LW. We'll diregard the fact that Mr. Sturridge only scored the one, and lil' Raheem scored zilch and Danny Welbeck offered nothing either. Let us add in the fact that Gerrard and Henderson also offered nothing from midfield, and a 35 year old Andrea Pirlo (who is magnificant and beautiful in every way) didn't even break a sweat in the Italian midfield.

Pirlo's movement is truly a thing of beauty. Effortlessly glides around the place,drop of the shoulder, pop pass..gone. Genius. And that beard...

Delboy5

From Andy Mittens latest piece in the M.E.N.
"Edison Cavani is Uruguay’s other key man. The Paris St Germain forward has an offer to join United. Cavani, 27, likes the prospect, but wouldn’t want a repeat of his situation in Paris where he plays second fiddle to Zlatan Ibrahimovic.

Cavani, the sixth most expensive player in the world since his €64 million transfer from Napoli to Paris a year ago, feels he’s good enough to be the leading striker at a club and is wary of joining United given Robin van Persie’s status.

The Dutchman struggled with injury last season and didn’t always enjoy the same positive relationship with David Moyes which he has with new United boss Louis van Gaal. That was evident as Holland got off to an epic start against Spain, with the sublime Van Persie scoring twice and that bodes well for United next season. Cavani scored himself in Uruguay’s opening game, but it ended disastrously for his team."

Vic Vinegar

Zico wrote: »

he thinks he's worth £300,000 a week

He's not getting paid that amount though.

ericzeking

Zico wrote: »

Rooney is far from the first Utd player targetted by the press because of his performances for England but he's the first one I've no sympathy for.

Rooney lost my respect permanently when he demanded his transfer first time round and now that he thinks he's worth £300,000 a week he deserves all the criticism he gets if he doesn't play like it, as far as I'm concerned.

I'd be delighted if we could just swap him for Hummels or Vidal.

Why do his wages bother you?

Ronaldo wanted to leave and made no secret of it, did you permanently loose respect for him?

TheDoc

ericzeking wrote: »

Why do his wages bother you?

Ronaldo wanted to leave and made no secret of it, did you permanently loose respect for him?

Ronaldo situation was different.

He didnt then change his mind and take on a bumper contract. Ronaldo said he wanted to leave to Madrid, which is THE big club for people in that region. He was convinced to stay another year, and in fairness did so, with the agreement he could go next season.

It was amicable, it was respectful, Ronaldo got the head down and was incredible. Granted we didn't know all this until after the fact, if anything it gave me a lot more respect for Ronaldo. Fergie believed there was another CL on the horizon, didn't work out that way and he went, still mostly lauded by our fans.

Rooney has twice schemed a move, found out he's not as highly regarded in Europe as his agent might have made him think, and then ended up with a new contract, each time.

There was a pretty big difference. The amount of money doesn't bother me persay, but the club bending to his will certainly does. We've now made him an undroppable player on that salary, and to a point where we most likely won't be able to sell him. No one in Europe would pay 300k a week for Rooney.

No one

Maximus Alexander

I keep popping my head in here hopefully, but it always come back to this:

TheBunk1 wrote: »

....Six hours, nineteen minutes, right ascension, fourteen degrees, twenty-two minutes declination... no signing.

Six hours, nineteen minutes, right ascension, fourteen degrees, twenty-three minutes declination... no signing.

Six hours, nineteen minutes, right ascension, fourteen degrees, fifty-eight minutes declination! ...no signing.

Crimson King

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

He's not getting paid that amount though.

Isn't that the thing though, he is getting that but 'only' £180K a week is from United.

If I remember correctly he signed a new contract under the same pay conditions but free to organise lucrative deals using his name for himself, thus the club does not get the money, he does.

ericzeking

TheDoc wrote: »

Ronaldo situation was different.

He didnt then change his mind and take on a bumper contract. Ronaldo said he wanted to leave to Madrid, which is THE big club for people in that region. He was convinced to stay another year, and in fairness did so, with the agreement he could go next season.

It was amicable, it was respectful, Ronaldo got the head down and was incredible. Granted we didn't know all this until after the fact, if anything it gave me a lot more respect for Ronaldo. Fergie believed there was another CL on the horizon, didn't work out that way and he went, still mostly lauded by our fans.

Rooney has twice schemed a move, found out he's not as highly regarded in Europe as his agent might have made him think, and then ended up with a new contract, each time.

There was a pretty big difference. The amount of money doesn't bother me persay, but the club bending to his will certainly does. We've now made him an undroppable player on that salary, and to a point where we most likely won't be able to sell him. No one in Europe would pay 300k a week for Rooney.

No one

They are different situations true enough, but Ronaldo did have his head turned and got what was best for him, personally.

It was all about what was best for him, and that is what Rooney was doing too, although he could have done it in a better/different way, it's his agent I would have the gripe with.

Still, I don't get why people are so caught up with wages, if it's one thing the Glazers and Woodward are good at, it's the sums so why would we care about it.... and then I don't get why it's acceptable in any other profession to get the best contract for yourself and your family by whatever means are available to you and yet it's not for soccer players. Angling for a move in the press is their primary move to get a better deal. It's business.

bangkok

TheDoc wrote: »

Ronaldo situation was different.

He didnt then change his mind and take on a bumper contract. Ronaldo said he wanted to leave to Madrid, which is THE big club for people in that region. He was convinced to stay another year, and in fairness did so, with the agreement he could go next season.

It was amicable, it was respectful, Ronaldo got the head down and was incredible. Granted we didn't know all this until after the fact, if anything it gave me a lot more respect for Ronaldo. Fergie believed there was another CL on the horizon, didn't work out that way and he went, still mostly lauded by our fans.

Rooney has twice schemed a move, found out he's not as highly regarded in Europe as his agent might have made him think, and then ended up with a new contract, each time.

There was a pretty big difference. The amount of money doesn't bother me persay, but the club bending to his will certainly does. We've now made him an undroppable player on that salary, and to a point where we most likely won't be able to sell him. No one in Europe would pay 300k a week for Rooney.

No one

I don't think rooney would go abroad to play anyway, his wife wants to live close to her parents. and most players have done this to get better contracts, roy keane did it with Bayern Munich, giggs with Inter Milan, gerrard with Chelsea, suarez arsenal, most of the Bayern munich squad with man utd!!!

Zico

Some people seem to have rewritten history in their own heads so refresh your Rooney memories here

http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2010/10/22/2173724/the-definitive-timeline-wayne-rooneys-controversial

Professional Griefer

You's hate Rooney a lot.

wrong bloody thread again, my bad.

bucketybuck

MagicIRL wrote: »

England didn't score goals against Italy and lost. Somehow that's Rooney's fault for playing LW. We'll diregard the fact that Mr. Sturridge only scored the one, and lil' Raheem scored zilch and Danny Welbeck offered nothing either. Let us add in the fact that Gerrard and Henderson also offered nothing from midfield, and a 35 year old Andrea Pirlo (who is magnificant and beautiful in every way) didn't even break a sweat in the Italian midfield.

The media definitely have an agenda regarding Rooney but that doesn't mean they aren't right from time to time. It was a great pass for the goal but Rooney did not have a great game and in my opinion was the least effective of the forward players.

Like it or not he was supposed to be a world class player and people are still judging him by that standard, but the fact is that he isn't playing like a world class player.

ericzeking wrote: »

Why do his wages bother you?

Ronaldo wanted to leave and made no secret of it, did you permanently loose respect for him?

If Rooney was performing anywhere close to Ronaldo standard we wouldn't have a problem with his wages either.

MagicMarker

bucketybuck wrote: »

The media definitely have an agenda regarding Rooney but that doesn't mean they aren't right from time to time. It was a great pass for the goal but Rooney did not have a great game and in my opinion was the least effective of the forward players.

Like it or not he was supposed to be a world class player and people are still judging him by that standard, but the fact is that he isn't playing like a world class player..

He's a world class striker, he's not a world class winger.

beakerjoe

MagicMarker wrote: »

He's a world class striker, he's not a world class winger.

I think hes an inconsistent World Class Striker. When hes on form he can be unstoppable, hes just not always on form, therefore gets flack

What's the latest transfer bull****e?

beakerjoe

M!Ck^ wrote: »

What's the latest transfer bull****e?

M!CK changes from MUFC fan to Liverpool fan.

Its more or less as believable as what the latest Transfer Rumor is!

bucketybuck

MagicMarker wrote: »

He's a world class striker, he's not a world class winger.

I agree.

England either need to play Rooney up front or drop him. Playing him on the wing is just more of the same rubbish that saw Lampard and Gerrard getting in each others way for years, picking the best players instead of the best team.

Rooneys problem is that he hasn't made himself undroppable as a striker. He is actually suffering from playing as a number ten for United, if he had played up front for United and scored 30 goals last season then it wouldn't matter what Sturridge did, Rooney would be playing up front and it would be Sturridge trying to squeeze in somewhere.

Zico

MagicMarker wrote: »

He's a world class striker, he's not a world class winger.

He wasn't playing on the wing at the last World Cup and he was just as ineffectual.

He hasn't been world class for a long time, if he ever was apart from the hype.

Mitch Connor

Bray Wanderers to host Man United 'reserves' next month, July 20th. Hope i can grab some tickets for that. Will be a very very young squad I imagine.

With players taking a break after the WC, I can see some of the 'reserve' players heading to america on the tour. Michael Keane and Wilson in particular.

Spazdarn

Zico wrote: »

He wasn't playing on the wing at the last World Cup and he was just as ineffectual.

He hasn't been world class for a long time, if he ever was apart from the hype.

He had the potential to be truly world class, but I'd say he's never really fulfilled that.

MagicMarker

Zico wrote: »

He wasn't playing on the wing at the last World Cup and he was just as ineffectual.

He hasn't been world class for a long time, if he ever was apart from the hype.

Ineffectual? Firstly, he was injured going into the last world cup, secondly, you did see his assist the other night yeah? As already said, he created more chances than any other player.

Giggsy11

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Bray Wanderers to host Man United 'reserves' next month, July 20th. Hope i can grab some tickets for that. Will be a very very young squad I imagine.

With players taking a break after the WC, I can see some of the 'reserve' players heading to america on the tour. Michael Keane and Wilson in particular.

Hopefully Varela too. Very impressive for U21s and IMO deserves to be in the first team squad as we don't even have any RB apart from Rafael.