Manchester United Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread - Mod Notes in OP,22/7

Timmyctc

bangkok wrote: »

admit what?? yes he is a world class player but he is 27 and plays a box to box midfielder role, his legs wont carry him forever. 30m maybe 35 would be a fair bid. what do people here expect his price to be?? if we were going to pay 40m + why not just buy Pogba who is 21!

I don't get why you are saying "he's 27" as if it is a bad thing. He is back smack in the middle of the prime of his career.

Spazdarn

No guarantees the likes of Pogba would want to return to United. Vidal is unreal, 30-35 for a player in his prime would be alright, he'd be just what we need too so wouldn't mind paying that.

redbaron_99

40 million for Robben would be idiotic, considering his age. He is a player I'd love to see at OT, but not at that type of money.

It does seem that Woodward is still chasing the BIG signing. If that is the case, the BIG signing should be a player we need - a central midfielder, not another striker. We can't even accommodate the strikers we currently have. It would be such a waste of money to blow 50m on Cavani. For that money we could probably land Kroos and a really good centre half.

bucketybuck

Lord TSC wrote: »

But I do find it weird that people go on about what we "need" when they also don't know what LVG has planned with regards shipping out people.

Because what we "need" is very ****ing obvious.

bangkok

Timmyctc wrote: »

I don't get why you are saying "he's 27" as if it is a bad thing. He is back smack in the middle of the prime of his career.

not a bad thing but he is all action type midfielder. you don't see many box to box 30 year olds around? I would love him at united, but lets not forget he just had knee surgery as well. If there was a choice of 30m vidal or 40m pogba I would go pogba all day long

RobertKK

Juventus need a striker...United could do with a Juve midfielder.
My off the wall speculation... United after Cavani to replace Rooney, Rooney sold to Juve as part of a deal to land either Vidal or Pogba. Rooney plus cash = Juve midfielder????
I am sure Rooney would be happy to remain in the CL.

Or maybe Rooney is converted into a midfielder...

Lord TSC

bucketybuck wrote: »

Because what we "need" is very ****ing obvious.

What we need is based on who is going as much as who we have, and the likes of Woodward and LVG would be more privy to that than us. We obviously still need a Lb and 2 CM players, but if there are departures we don't know about yet, then the list of what we need will grow too.

Iseedeadpixels

bangkok wrote: »

not a bad thing but he is all action type midfielder. you don't see many box to box 30 year olds around? I would love him at united, but lets not forget he just had knee surgery as well. If there was a choice of 30m vidal or 40m pogba I would go pogba all day long

Gerrard only stopped last year and he's what now 33-34?

Timmyctc

Timmyctc wrote: »

I don't get why you are saying "he's 27" as if it is a bad thing. He is back smack in the middle of the prime of his career.

Because a lot players don't adapt to the PL in their first season. I'm not sure why but it's a pretty long list and United can't afford for their 40-50m statement to do that, you'll have the hounds out like they are for Fellaini. People will say bow much better Vidal is than Fellaini but better players than even Vidal have come in and been shakey for their first season. I struggle to see the logic spending that much when as shown by Rakitic there is quality out there for hakf what people are advocating for Vidal. Sure Vidal himself moved for 15m a few seasons back, he's hardly that much better now.

paulbok

I think VG will attempt to convert Rooney to a midfielder, and if he doesn't go along with it, he will be shipped out pronto.
If Rooney has another poor world cup, he may well need to re-evaluate his belief on where he should be playing positionally.

bangkok

RobertKK wrote: »

Juventus need a striker...United could do with a Juve midfielder.
My off the wall speculation... United after Cavani to replace Rooney, Rooney sold to Juve as part of a deal to land either Vidal or Pogba. Rooney plus cash = Juve midfielder????
I am sure Rooney would be happy to remain in the CL.

Or maybe Rooney is converted into a midfielder...

they already have tevez, llorente, vucinic and Quagliarella unless one of them is being sold?

bangkok

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

Gerrard only stopped last year and he's what now 33-34?

last year?? he played as a no10 for 2 years when torres was there and rafa played him on the right wing as he didn't have the discipline to play centre mid.

Brendan Flowers

MagicIRL wrote: »

I can only see it if Rooney is on the way out and LvG plans on playing a sort-of 4-3-1-2 situation, with Mata/Kagawa playing #10 behind RVP and Cavani.

Other than that I can't see why United would bid for a player unhappy with his position, and presumably play him in that same position.

Has LvG been known to play a 4-3-1-2 formation in the past? I'd love to see how it'd work with Rooney and RVP up front, with Mata playing behind.

.............De Gea

Rafael Jones Evans Shaw

.......MF......MF......MF

...............Mata
.........RVP........Rooney

If this was the lineup, who (from the current squad or new signings) would be ideal in midfield?

redbaron_99

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

Has LvG been known to play a 4-3-1-2 formation in the past? I'd love to see how it'd work with Rooney and RVP up front, with Mata playing behind.

De Gea

Rafael Jones Evans Shaw

MF MF MF

Mata
RVP Rooney

If this was the lineup, who (from the current squad or new signings) would be ideal in midfield?

He was very complimentary in the way he spoke of Kagawa. I could see Kags being used as the most forward of the midfield three. For starters anyway.
The other two positions are anyone's guess.

Spazdarn

Adnan is the future, I want him in our midfield for the years to come... though you need someone with bite and a defensive midset to offset a teamsheet that's very top heavy, all attackers.

Iseedeadpixels

bangkok wrote: »

last year?? he played as a no10 for 2 years when torres was there and rafa played him on the right wing as he didn't have the discipline to play centre mid.

He has pretty much played CM for most of his career especially with England, even as a number 10 he would bomb back, just accept that your Vidal statement was ridiculous and move on.

TheDoc

Don't buy this "converting Rooeny to CM".

Why take, despite the debate, a top quality forwward/striker and deploy him in midfield?

Go buy a midfielder. We arn't a club with a short budget where we need to re-train. At the level we operate we need people that have experience in their position.

Cavani stuff makes little to no sense to me. He's unhappy that he is playing out wide of a front 3 at PSG, for all intensive purposes could be doing the same if he comes here. With RVP up the middle.

Although I noticed in the Spain game and the Australia game RVP operating wide for large parts, with Sneijder taking up a more central position of the three.

Do think it's fascinating to see how we will line up, and the new season cant come soon enough.

bucketybuck

Lord TSC wrote: »

What we need is based on who is going as much as who we have

What we need are midfielders and a left back, and that doesn't change in the slightest no matter who stays or goes.

Spazdarn

Wouldn't mind a good clearout. Our defence is terrible, but I have to accept there's no way we're getting in a whole new defence. Carrick needs to go, he offers nothing..

bangkok

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Wouldn't mind a good clearout. Our defence is terrible, but I have to accept there's no way we're getting in a whole new defence. Carrick needs to go, he offers nothing..

for about 5 years he was one of uniteds most important players

Iseedeadpixels

bangkok wrote: »

for about 5 years he was one of uniteds most important players

So he should be kept on sentiment?

beakerjoe

ToiletFusion wrote: »

Wouldn't mind a good clearout. Our defence is terrible, but I have to accept there's no way we're getting in a whole new defence. Carrick needs to go, he offers nothing..

Thats not correct. He isn't up to it lately but he could be a good squad player. He hardly offers nothing. Wild exaggeration

RasTa

Where can one find the prize breakdown for the World Cup sweep neVer was running?

Mitch Connor

Iseedeadpixels wrote: »

So he should be kept on sentiment?

Do you see us buying 5 central midfielders?

We currently have Carrick, Cleverley, Fellaini, Fletcher and Anderson.

Carrick would be the very last one of those I would sell/move on. Actually, what I have written above is a good order to how much I would like each to be kept.

I just really can't see the argument for selling the only midfielder we have that has shown himself to be sufficiently capable for us at some point in the last two or three seasons.

Iseedeadpixels

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Do you see us buying 5 central midfielders?

We currently have Carrick, Cleverley, Fellaini, Fletcher and Anderson.

Carrick would be the very last one of those I would sell/move on. Actually, what I have written above is a good order to how much I would like each to be kept.

I just really can't see the argument for selling the only midfielder we have that has shown himself to be sufficiently capable for us at some point in the last two or three seasons.

Yes Mitch because asking that question was me saying lets buy 5 CM's! I said it because he didn't come back with a arguement he just came out it he was a good player for a few seasons.

bucketybuck

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Do you see us buying 5 central midfielders?

We currently have Carrick, Cleverley, Fellaini, Fletcher and Anderson.

Carrick would be the very last one of those I would sell/move on. Actually, what I have written above is a good order to how much I would like each to be kept.

I just really can't see the argument for selling the only midfielder we have that has shown himself to be sufficiently capable for us at some point in the last two or three seasons.

The best argument for keeping Carrick is comparing him to our other options.

Unfortunately it is also the only argument for keeping Carrick.

thelad95

Understandably yesterdays fixture list isn't generating many headlines but with the opening run of games we have we could easily build up a six or so points gap at the top by the time we face City or Chelsea.

beakerjoe

bucketybuck wrote: »

The best argument for keeping Carrick is comparing him to our other options.

Unfortunately it is also the only argument for keeping Carrick.

Hes on the decline sure, but he is the most dependable CM we have at the min. He is also a home grown player and its good to have an experienced CM like him in the squad. If we bought 2 new CM (heres hoping), Id like to have Carrick in the squad too. Felliani and Cleverly will most likely be kept on too. Fletch may be gone and Anderson looks like a cert to leave.

Mitch Connor

thelad95 wrote: »

Understandably yesterdays fixture list isn't generating many headlines but with the opening run of games we have we could easily build up a six or so points gap at the top by the time we face City or Chelsea.

Same happens at the start of the new year, we have what should be winnable games in a good run, then into a tough March/April, but we have a chance to build momentum and maybe a gap before the really tough games.

TheDoc

Mitch Connor wrote: »

Same happens at the start of the new year, we have what should be winnable games in a good run, then into a tough March/April, but we have a chance to build momentum and maybe a gap before the really tough games.

I would have said United of old chomping at that list. Typically much stronger after the Christmas run of fixtures coming into the business end of the season.

Experienced in chasing and leading titles to get through the tough winter programme grinding out results, and managing leads, or catching up on leaders towards the end.

Have to wonder if that years of nearly assumption, that United blaze into the second half of the season, is gone now after last year. Or if it will make a comeback.