Irish man joining other armies

Mr_boom

Hi I was just wondering what armies can I join as an Irish person. I would like to join the navy seals but I don't no if I can. If someone could let me know what armies I can join I would be thankful.

El Guapo!

You need to be living permanently and legally in the U.S to join.
If that's not an option, you're perfectly entitled to join the British army though.

PsychoSull

The french foreign legion

logie101

The Salvation Army.

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The Foreign Salvation Army.

Apply for the green card, OP!

folbotcar

I doubt if anyone Irish could become a Navy Seal even if they became a US citizen. You have to be citizen for certain roles in the US forces not just a green card holder. But in case any no Irish person could get the necessary security clearances. This also applies to certain roles in the British forces.

Sorry to crash your fantasy!

mikeym

I wouldnt bother with the French Foreign Legion unless you want to own a French passport.

pablomakaveli

I love the way people who post these threads always are intent on joining the Navy Seals or ARW or SAS, as if they're just going to stroll into a special forces unit.

Also having looked around it seems like it might be possible if you gain US citizenship so a few years in the US army or marines might be required first to get citizenship. From here it just says being a US citizen which i assume includes people who have obtained citizenship.

folbotcar

And this:

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In addition to the other requirements listed on this website, applicants must be able to obtain a secret security clearance, be male and must remain morally, mentally and physically qualified.

It's very unlikely an Irish born man could obtain that clearance given that we are outside NATO.

pablomakaveli

folbotcar wrote: »

And this:
It's very unlikely an Irish born man could obtain that clearance given that we are outside NATO.

Actually it still may be possible. I know in the case of the British army some security sensitive jobs are still open to non-British with 5 years residency in the UK. No reason why that wouldn't be the case in the US.

Frosty McSnowballs

folbotcar wrote: »

And this:
It's very unlikely an Irish born man could obtain that clearance given that we are outside NATO.

Completely false

Mackas_view

Mr_boom wrote: »

Hi I was just wondering what armies can I join as an Irish person. I would like to join the navy seals but I don't no if I can. If someone could let me know what armies I can join I would be thankful.

It can be done. Follow your dream kid.. :-)

folbotcar

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

Completely false

Give me an example in the US military then? Name one Irish born special forces or Navy Seal?

locum-motion

folbotcar wrote: »

Give me an example in the US military then? Name one Irish born special forces or Navy Seal?

Yeah, coz that's how it works!

You've stated two very sweeping generalisations* without providing any evidence to back them up.
When challenged on it, what you've said, effectively, is "Well, if you can't provide a name, then I was right."

You're the one making the claims - it's up to you to prove yourself right, not up to others to prove you wrong.

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1.

folbotcar wrote: »

I doubt if anyone Irish could become a Navy Seal even if they became a US citizen. You have to be citizen for certain roles in the US forces not just a green card holder. But in case any no Irish person could get the necessary security clearances. This also applies to certain roles in the British forces.

Sorry to crash your fantasy!

2.

folbotcar wrote: »

And this:
It's very unlikely an Irish born man could obtain that clearance given that we are outside NATO.

AllthingsCP

Belgium will enlist any european citizen. Russia was trying to find foreign bodies awhile back. Spanish Legion i believe starter taking foreigner in 2001 {Mostly ex colonies] Then the main guys HM Armed Forces The FFL. If your Jewish Israel will take you, Luxembourg if you moved their for 2 years. New Zealand but can fail.

Local-womanizer

folbotcar wrote: »

Give me an example in the US military then? Name one Irish born special forces or Navy Seal?

Recently at an international sniper competition held in the USA, attended by members of the PDF (who performed very well) was won by a US SOF team with on of the guys being an ex irish army ranger. He didn't transfer but applied to the military like anyone else, and passed selection for the SOF group (I think it was Green berets, not to sure)

It was in the An Cosaintor magazine awhile back.

Frosty McSnowballs

folbotcar wrote: »

Give me an example in the US military then? Name one Irish born special forces or Navy Seal?

You know fcuk all about what types of security clearance an Irish born male can obtain.

Infact, Irish born males regularly get the 'secret' classification security clearance....not that you'd know anything about it.

Facts always go down better than personal opinions.

Manic Moran

Senor Fancy Pants wrote: »

You know fcuk all about what types of security clearance an Irish born male can obtain.

Infact, Irish born males regularly get the 'secret' classification security clearance....not that you'd know anything about it.

Facts always go down better than personal opinions.

I had to cancel my Irish passport in order to gain a "Secret". I now hold a "Top Secret/Sensitive Compartmentalized Information"

You absolutely must be a US citizen these days to get a clearance, but that doesn't mean that you can have once been a citizen of another country beforehand.

neilled

folbotcar wrote: »

Give me an example in the US military then? Name one Irish born special forces or Navy Seal?

An Cosantoir, June 2014, page 5.

AllthingsCP

neilled wrote: »

An Cosantoir, June 2014, page 5.

It was a great interview too.

Fiachra17

I'm heading to France to join the FFL in September, would be glad to hear of anyone else interested in doing it.

visual

Fiachra17 wrote: »

I'm heading to France to join the FFL in September, would be glad to hear of anyone else interested in doing it.

You could joint the British army many have done so over the years.

Sure aren't we celebrating those that deserted irish army and run away to joint the British during the WW as heros now.

tac foley

Fiachra17 wrote: »

I'm heading to France to join the FFL in September, would be glad to hear of anyone else interested in doing it.

I'm too old now, but I was thinking about it at one time.

Mind you, I soon got over it and buckled down to my school exams instead.

Good luck to you, or as we French-speakers say - Bonne Chance!

tac

Fiachra17

tac foley wrote: »

I'm too old now, but I was thinking about it at one time.

Mind you, I soon got over it and buckled down to my school exams instead.

Good luck to you, or as we French-speakers say - Bonne Chance!

tac

Well I was in college in the states a few years back, susi have denied my grant application, so I've nothing to lose really.

Merci bien, quand je reviendrai en Irlande, je parlerai parfaitement le français. Mais quoi que je fasse, je voudrais vivre en France. The military training and travelling the world is definitely a bonus too

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Go for it man! Why wait til september?

Fiachra17

discus wrote: »

Go for it man! Why wait til september?

One of my friends from America is coming over in September, so gonna hang out with herself before I head. Wanna come too ? haha

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Fiachra17 wrote: »

One of my friends from America is coming over in September, so gonna hang out with herself before I head. Wanna come too ? haha

That's the best answer I've read to people claiming that they will join "in a few months". Usually, they say they need to get fit blah blah blah. At least you're waiting around for a chick, go on lad!

I'm actually considering the legion for when I sign off from the BA - see you there!

TransplantedDub

folbotcar wrote: »

I doubt if anyone Irish could become a Navy Seal even if they became a US citizen. You have to be citizen for certain roles in the US forces not just a green card holder. But in case any no Irish person could get the necessary security clearances. This also applies to certain roles in the British forces.

Sorry to crash your fantasy!

Not true... I work for a defense contractor and have clearance to go on AF bases....Dublin born, US permanent resident, and Irish passport holder.....people can join the US armed forces and become naturalized. not any national guard entity though. 25 years here now...not all scenarios are publicly available via internet search...where theres a will theres a way....I built Felix Baumgartners helmets and worked on his suit...some would say that would be someones dream....never thought I would have those opportunities back in 1989...let the guy dream (in case you think I'm BS I have photos :-) )

Mackas_view

Get the pictures up :-)

skooterblue2

visual wrote: »

You could joint the British army many have done so over the years.

Sure aren't we celebrating those that deserted irish army and run away to joint the British during the WW as heros now.

My friend was a Sergeant in the FCA in Kilkenny and he left it too long to apply for the PDF. He was furious and he went over to join E company of the Irish Guards in the British Army. He went over a served a few years and he was very happy to get out.

Once you leave and join a foreign security service (police army or other) you cant return to Ireland and apply to join here when you come back, that door is closed. Its different in the states where they welcome experience. (I mean you can return to visit and/or as a civvy but cant apply for national security job). Although they did say that the position of Garda commissioner may be open to people with relevant experience from abroad

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skooterblue2 wrote: »

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Once you leave and join a foreign security service (police army or other) you cant return to Ireland and apply to join here when you come back, that door is closed.

I know a Garda or two who've served in the British Army. I know a soldier who also served with the BA. Your point is... invalid

skooterblue2

I thought you were asked when you were being recruited if you served anywhere else?
If they did then they in breech of regulations.

Unless there has been some change in Regulations since the Good Friday agreement.

Doesnt sound right, does it?

skooterblue2

Just checked it with a few buddies..... it wouldn't be common place. Someone from families with strong allegiances to the state it might work for (See rank of Commandant/Superintendent and above). It would not be for every country either. I think the only one that would be palatable would be the British Army. And it would have to declared at the outset.

I have also sent off an email to the Recruitment Office for the Defence Force. So we will see how that turns out.

I would refer it back to section 8 of the Defense Force regulations act 1958 Part 2

"....while I am a man of the Permanent Defence Force I will not join or be a member of or subscribe to any political organisation or society or any secret society whatsoever and that, if I become a man of the Reserve Defence Force, I will not, while I am a man of the Reserve Defence Force, join or be a member of or subscribe to any secret society whatsoever."

My understanding of a secret society is any organisation that you wear an oath of secrecy and allegiance on a bible or similar text. This would cover any army, police, force, navy, associated organisation and similar organisations including secret organisations like SVdP, IRA, Grand Lodge, Grand Orient, Opus Dei etc etc I dont see how someone could take the oath of allegiance twice without one conflicting with the other.

pablomakaveli

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I thought you were asked when you were being recruited if you served anywhere else?
If they did then they in breech of regulations.

Unless there has been some change in Regulations since the Good Friday agreement.

Doesnt sound right, does it?

If you're a current member of another army or security force than that is a problem as you can't be in two armies at once.

Being a former member of another army isn't an issue as your service with them is over and isn't really a conflict of interest. ( unless that army is of a nation hostile to the country whose army you wish to join)

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skooterblue2 wrote: »

"....while I am a man of the Permanent Defence Force I will not join or be a member of or subscribe to any political organisation or society or any secret society whatsoever and that, if I become a man of the Reserve Defence Force, I will not, while I am a man of the Reserve Defence Force, join or be a member of or subscribe to any secret society whatsoever."

I dont see how someone could take the oath of allegiance twice without one conflicting with the other.

It's all in the wording.

skooterblue2

I know it is a bit of an extreme example ....... but I couldnt see a former member of the IRA, sitting down in front of an Army Recruitment Officer and saying "I cashed in my dental plan and pension and I want to come over to the other side"..... I believe old allegiances die hard..... as with the same for any other organisation in a similar vein.

plus there would always be that element of mistrust in the background

Remmy

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I know it is a bit of an extreme example ....... but I couldnt see a former member of the IRA, sitting down in front of an Army Recruitment Officer and saying "I cashed in my dental plan and pension and I want to come over to the other side"..... I believe old allegiances die hard..... as with the same for any other organisation in a similar vein.

plus there would always be that element of mistrust in the background

This has to be a troll job

skooterblue2

Well when I was in the FCA there was plenty of mistrust for anyone outside the Irish security and defence forces....... and rightly so. That was well before the good friday agreement and the joint declaration.

Frosty McSnowballs

skooterblue2 wrote: »

Just checked it with a few buddies..... it wouldn't be common place. Someone from families with strong allegiances to the state it might work for (See rank of Commandant/Superintendent and above). It would not be for every country either. I think the only one that would be palatable would be the British Army. And it would have to declared at the outset.

I have also sent off an email to the Recruitment Office for the Defence Force. So we will see how that turns out.

I would refer it back to section 8 of the Defense Force regulations act 1958 Part 2

"....while I am a man of the Permanent Defence Force I will not join or be a member of or subscribe to any political organisation or society or any secret society whatsoever and that, if I become a man of the Reserve Defence Force, I will not, while I am a man of the Reserve Defence Force, join or be a member of or subscribe to any secret society whatsoever."

My understanding of a secret society is any organisation that you wear an oath of secrecy and allegiance on a bible or similar text. This would cover any army, police, force, navy, associated organisation and similar organisations including secret organisations like SVdP, IRA, Grand Lodge, Grand Orient, Opus Dei etc etc I dont see how someone could take the oath of allegiance twice without one conflicting with the other.

Hhhhmmmmmmm, I know lads in the PDF who have previously served in other militaries. It may not be common place but it definitely has NOTHING to do with "families with strong allegiances to the state". I don't know where you are getting that bollox from.

And quoting the oath is also a load of bollox. Did you even read what you wrote?

skooterblue2

The Oath is not a load of Bollocks..... It is referenced. The source for the coming back into the Irish Defence Forces was the nephew of the Head surgeon of the British army and Adjutant of the Medical Corp. He was from a prominent Cork Medical family.

Yes I did read what I wrote and spell checked it. Did you read what you wrote? "And", you don't start a sentence with a conjunction.

Frosty McSnowballs

skooterblue2 wrote: »

The Oath is not a load of Bollocks..... It is referenced. The source for the coming back into the Irish Defence Forces was the nephew of the Head surgeon of the British army and Adjutant of the Medical Corp. He was from a prominent Cork Medical family.

Yes I did read what I wrote and spell checked it. Did you read what you wrote? "And", you don't start a sentence with a conjunction.

The Oath is not a load of bollox, however, your reference to it is. And, I can start a sentence whichever way I like.

skooterblue2

Yeah that is why I joined the FCA to defend your right to free speech

Local-womanizer

Has to be a pisstake!

skooterblue2

Nope Col Coakley was in the british army, his brother was the state pathologist, his other brother was an eye specialist and his nephew is a Radiologist specialist in the states

tbradman

skooterblue2 wrote: »

I know it is a bit of an extreme example ....... but I couldnt see a former member of the IRA, sitting down in front of an Army Recruitment Officer and saying "I cashed in my dental plan and pension and I want to come over to the other side"..... I believe old allegiances die hard..... as with the same for any other organisation in a similar vein.

plus there would always be that element of mistrust in the background

That's not really as extreme example as you might think... I mean if a current or former member of the IRA can be a current sitting TD, what's to stop them joining the Irish Defence Forces.

But you are right there will always be an element of mistrust of people from that background.

skooterblue2

tbradman wrote: »

I mean if a current or former member of the IRA can be a current sitting TD, what's to stop them joining the Irish Defence Forces.

The IRA has decommissioned, stopped intelligence gathering, recruiting, fundraising and playing ring and run, and other miscellaneous activities.

Any TDs who may have been associated with times place, dates, big bag o' quick lime and shovel, going for late night romantic strolls out on the Cooley Pinunsula, getting budget holiday packages to a fledgling Libyan holiday resort or taking minibreaks in North Korea ...... have denied any knowledge of any events.

Dont see going too well in the mess.

tac foley

Do you mean PIRA?

If the person concerned WAS IRA then he or she is going be pretty old, right?

BTW, the IRA is a proscribed organisation in the UK under the Terrorism Act 2000 and an unlawful organisation in the Republic of Ireland.. The United States includes them in the category of "other selected terrorist groups also deemed of relevance in the global war on terrorism".

tac

skooterblue2

tac foley wrote: »

Do you mean PIRA?

If the person concerned WAS IRA then he or she is going be pretty old, right?

tac

When I say IRA, I mean that as to cover ..the Provisional Irish Republican Army, INLA, Real IRA, 32 Sovereignty committee, diet IRA, One Calorie IRA, Sugar free IRA .....etc etc

If I was referring to any such person, would you hold a prejudice his/her nephew or niece if they applied for membership of the Defence Forces?

tac foley

skooterblue2 wrote: »

If I was referring to any such person, would you hold a prejudice his/her nephew or niece if they applied for membership of the Defence Forces?

Not in the least.

Providing, of course that the oath they take on joining is not a simple mouthing of words, or that they shared the political views of their relative.

tac

skooterblue2

You remember the 1970 Arms Crisis? CJ Haughey, Albert Luykx and the two army Officers?

They bought cira 500 FN rifles? They werent exactly the same as the ones used in the Irish army ..... different material for hand-guards and the Energa sight but I would say the working parts were 100% interchangable. The plan was that FCA lads coming on camp would be able to swop worn parts (Piston and Piston springs) and it would not be noticed.

People (criminals) take an oath every day in court and commit perjury down on top of it. In my experience the apple never falls far from the tree.

Manic Moran

Were Irish FALs imperial or metric?