68 in a 60 - was I dicing with death?

bucketybuck

The Mustard wrote: »

Despite these improvements, we get further regulation every year, stricter laws, reduced speed limits (apart from motorways and dual carriageways) and increased chance of penalties.

You get further regulation every year because by and large Irish motorists are ****ing idiots. The quicker penalty points take most of these clowns off the road the better.

CiniO

Zascar wrote: »

Speed limits are designed for the most barely competent licensed driver in the crappiest legal car. A trained race driver in capable sports car is more than safe going a bit over the speed limit, but you cant have different laws. I love the motors forum but the high horse brigade on here is just so boring. I don't know any true car and driving enthusiasts that blow the horn of "It's a limit - not a target" all day...

If the average driver was significantly more skilled behind the wheel then there would be a lot less accidents and perhaps the laws would not have to be as militant. But no, they do little to to make better drivers just come down hard on speeding and drink driving. If I made the laws I'd make everyone do an advanced driving test - and make you re-certify every 5-10 years.

I just came up with an idea.
Graduated driving licence.
Say - 5 levels.
Just after passing your test (level 1), you drive normally.
If you upskill and pass test for level 2, you can legally drive 10% over the speed limit.
Upskill again, pass test for level 3, and do 30% over speed limit.
Level 4 - 50% over the limit.
And level 5 - 100% over the limit.

Obviously passing a test for any higher levels should require very high skills and abilities, so not many people would be able to do it.

Jesus.

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Can you only be a petrol head if you break speed limits?

Very good

dr.fuzzenstein

djimi wrote: »

The OP was driving in excess of the speed limit. They got caught. In what way is it a scam?

I agree that the way that speeding is policed is a sham, and that it is used purely for revenue generating rather than the bollox line about safety that the Gardai love to peddle. But that doesnt change the fact that in order to get caught up in a revenue generating exercise you have to be breaking the law in the first place. The limits might be unfair, but they are still the legal limits.

So it's a sham, not a scam. :pac:
That is of course much different.

dr.fuzzenstein

bucketybuck wrote: »

You get further regulation every year because by and large Irish motorists are ****ing idiots. The quicker penalty points take most of these clowns off the road the better.

The problem with that is that it will take people off the road who have been caught a few k's over on a few occasions, but the people driving everywhere at 40 km/h, whilst weaving all over the place and completely oblivious to their surroundings are safe.
because we equate slow=safe driving and no other factor comes into play, when clearly that is not the case.
I can be safer at 140 km/h (or 240 km/h for that matter) on an empty motorway than auld Seamus hopping into his '91 Carina, reversing over the dog, forcing oncoming drivers into the ditch, dinging three cars at the car park, nearly running over a child and ignoring every light, roadmarking and no entry/one way sign on the way. because we say "Ah bless, it's auld Seamus again, quick, get the kids inside, well at least he can still get down the shop to buy his 20 Woodbines".
I can disprove Speed Kills right here:
I once drove 240 km/h on the German Autobahn and my car did NOT spontaneously flip over, roll 25 times, crash into a tree and burst into flames.
Why?
Because Speed does NOT kill. I know, amazing, right? I was marveling at that for days!

Zascar

Zascar wrote: »

Speed limits are designed for the most barely competent licensed driver in the crappiest legal car. A trained race driver in capable sports car is more than safe going a bit over the speed limit, but you cant have different laws. I love the motors forum but the high horse brigade on here is just so boring. I don't know any true car and driving enthusiasts that blow the horn of "It's a limit - not a target" all day...

If the average driver was significantly more skilled behind the wheel then there would be a lot less accidents and perhaps the laws would not have to be as militant. But no, they do little to to make better drivers just come down hard on speeding and drink driving. If I made the laws I'd make everyone do an advanced driving test - and make you re-certify every 5-10 years.

Sure imagine you pass a test in a 50 kph zone and then are allowed on the motorway, that;s shocking. So many people can;t merge on a motorway at a proper speed and feel they have to sneak in behind someone rather than put the boot down and just get out on the motorway.

But we do need speed limits of some sorts, just not ridiculous limits on good roads.

dr.fuzzenstein

Zascar wrote: »

Speed limits are designed for the most barely competent licensed driver in the crappiest legal car. A trained race driver in capable sports car is more than safe going a bit over the speed limit, but you cant have different laws. I love the motors forum but the high horse brigade on here is just so boring. I don't know any true car and driving enthusiasts that blow the horn of "It's a limit - not a target" all day...

If the average driver was significantly more skilled behind the wheel then there would be a lot less accidents and perhaps the laws would not have to be as militant. But no, they do little to to make better drivers just come down hard on speeding and drink driving. If I made the laws I'd make everyone do an advanced driving test - and make you re-certify every 5-10 years.

Speed limits are designed by a geezer behind his desk who has never been to the road in questions and is a civil servant, i.e. not paid to think.
He will simply apply a formula, R-Road=80 km/h and no more thought goes into that.
Sometimes he is told to make a dual carriageway 60 km/h, maybe someone wrote something down wrong, maybe some politician wants to score points, or maybe someone in the department just wants to wield their little bit of power.
He will simply write down "Motorway, 60 km/h", because putting any more thought than that into the process would eat into his 15 minute tea break that he takes every half an hour. I've seen the inside of council buildings as a technician, you would be AMAZED at the amount of work those people don't do.
In the 80's you got pulled into the civil service as a posh way of being on the dole, that is why Ireland has a 20% civil servant to general population ratio, I would say up to 60% of that admin staff is redundant and does nothing, or repeats work someone else has done or are working against each other.
The question "does your child still have Down's Syndrome?" seems to go some way to support my theory.
So I would not put too much faith into the "brilliant" planning that goes on in this country.
Just look at planning.
If I had a map of Ireland, stuck a bunch of model buildings into my mouth and sneezed at the map, the buildings would be better placed than they are right now.

dashcamdanny

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Speed limits are designed by a geezer behind his desk who has never been to the road in questions and is a civil servant, i.e. not paid to think.
He will simply apply a formula, R-Road=80 km/h and no more thought goes into that.
Sometimes he is told to make a dual carriageway 60 km/h, maybe someone wrote something down wrong, maybe some politician wants to score points, or maybe someone in the department just wants to wield their little bit of power.
He will simply write down "Motorway, 60 km/h", because putting any more thought than that into the process would eat into his 15 minute tea break that he takes every half an hour. I've seen the inside of council buildings as a technician, you would be AMAZED at the amount of work those people don't do.
In the 80's you got pulled into the civil service as a posh way of being on the dole, that is why Ireland has a 20% civil servant to general population ratio, I would say up to 60% of that admin staff is redundant and does nothing, or repeats work someone else has done or are working against each other.
The question "does your child still have Down's Syndrome?" seems to go some way to support my theory.
So I would not put too much faith into the "brilliant" planning that goes on in this country.
Just look at planning.
If I had a map of Ireland, stuck a bunch of model buildings into my mouth and sneezed at the map, the buildings would be better placed than they are right now.

I would have thought a road engineer would be a little more qualified that that. LOL

RandomAccess

Think the op is talking about this place,
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.451393,-6.220917,3a,75y,77.28h,77.52t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sqXe3HlRY7jmLp1AyGwPweQ!2e0

Heres another favourite honeypot of the guards, also 60kph,
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.242554,-6.148893,3a,75y,70.77h,72.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s7zmAiREG2ZOr4MPkVaA5pQ!2e0

Unsurprisingly google streetview even has a guard at that location with a fresh catch.
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.244129,-6.143774,3a,75y,71.68h,75.54t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sxA0jj8pMdtfqAMR9S9BJIg!2e0

I fail to see how enforcing overly low limits on dual carriageways is any benefit to road safety, they would be better off walking down any street in the country and looking at the wire coming out of the tyres of a staggering percentage of cars. Some will agree with this, but others can see nothing wrong with the current policy.

dr.fuzzenstein

dashcamdanny wrote: »

I would have thought a road engineer would be a little more qualified that that. LOL

Yes, I'm sure the people that posted this speedlimit deliberated long and hard about it, spoke to all manner of experts, had tests carried out and talked to the people who live locally:



https://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Corkscrew+Hill,+Clare&hl=en&ll=53.11332,-9.150954&spn=0.070683,0.363579&sll=53.06412,-9.069901&sspn=0.156176,0.363579&oq=corckscrew+hill&t=h&hnear=Corkscrew+Hill&z=12&layer=c&cbll=53.11332,-9.150954&panoid=AzRqzTMDRjWm0taaeTuWGA&cbp=12,191.12,,0,4.1

Oh, I can just imagine the anguish, "Am I doing the right thing, how will this affect people?"
Nah, they just typed a number and went to the pub. Anyone who suggest different, look at the picture. End of argument.
I know the road in question, Sebastian Vettel in a Ferrari couldn't do 100 there.

visual

Tail Docker wrote: »

I noticed that we get quite saucy tolls over here too. Was in portugal and went through a few tolls - dearest was €1.70 for a long motorway stretch, the rest were 0.40c for a damn sight longer road than our M50. Paddy always seems to be able for dearer..

When you consider the toll was put in place to pay only for the bridge part only going over the Liffy and not the M50 it is a disgrace.

Odyssey 2005

RandomAccess wrote: »

Think the op is talking about this place,
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.451393,-6.220917,3a,75y,77.28h,77.52t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sqXe3HlRY7jmLp1AyGwPweQ!2e0

Heres another favourite honeypot of the guards, also 60kph,
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.242554,-6.148893,3a,75y,70.77h,72.51t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1s7zmAiREG2ZOr4MPkVaA5pQ!2e0

Unsurprisingly google streetview even has a guard at that location with a fresh catch.
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.244129,-6.143774,3a,75y,71.68h,75.54t/data=!3m4!1e1!3m2!1sxA0jj8pMdtfqAMR9S9BJIg!2e0

I fail to see how enforcing overly low limits on dual carriageways is any benefit to road safety, they would be better off walking down any street in the country and looking at the wire coming out of the tyres of a staggering percentage of cars. Some will agree with this, but others can see nothing wrong with the current policy.

MONEY.. !

visual

Tail Docker wrote: »

I noticed that we get quite saucy tolls over here too. Was in portugal and went through a few tolls - dearest was €1.70 for a long motorway stretch, the rest were 0.40c for a damn sight longer road than our M50. Paddy always seems to be able for dearer..

When you consider the toll was put in place to pay only for the bridge part only going over the Liffy and not the M50 it is a disgrace.