68 in a 60 - was I dicing with death?

dr.fuzzenstein

brightspark wrote: »

The limits are limits not targets, you aren't supposed to travel at unsafe speeds regardless of what the limit is on that stretch of road.

That argument is the equivalent of a cow throwing up in its own mouth and chewing the cud. Maybe you want to cone up with something original?
Though I tried it once, the car was shaking, the road ahead was in tunnel vision, everything behind me was a blur as I did... 100 kilometers an hour! Wow! I'll never forget it.
Actually no, no speedlimit is some kind of unobtainable target, I wish twats going 20 under could understand that.

Has anyone got google street view of the location ?

dr.fuzzenstein

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

I wish twats going 20 under could understand that.

Exactly, you see now you got idiots doing 60 in an 80 and so on out of fear of being caught, drives me mental. An I'm a prius driver !

dr.fuzzenstein

OP, check if there's an equivalent if this site in you area
https://m.facebook.com/GardaCheckpointsClare?refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch&_rdr

I wouldnt leave the house without checking it.

djimi

Deleted User wrote: »

A come on now,

Course it's a scam, put the speed vans in the Towns and Villages where people go well beyond the 50 kph and not just a few kph above on the open road.

In Germany they have fixed traps hidden in hedges and behind bus shelters, but they have suitable speed limits, they even have a 40 kph for those narrow streets or where in very difficult places for people to get onto a road.

Event he 50 kph limit for some of Ireland's streets is too fast.

The OP was driving in excess of the speed limit. They got caught. In what way is it a scam?

I agree that the way that speeding is policed is a sham, and that it is used purely for revenue generating rather than the bollox line about safety that the Gardai love to peddle. But that doesnt change the fact that in order to get caught up in a revenue generating exercise you have to be breaking the law in the first place. The limits might be unfair, but they are still the legal limits.

No Pants

Pinnock Hill? ****. I don't think I've stuck to the speed limit anywhere on the R132.

Will it be my fault if I get caught speeding there someday? Absolutely.

Will it stop me giving out about it if it does? Not a chance.

djimi

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

OP, check if there's an equivalent if this site in you area
https://m.facebook.com/GardaCheckpointsClare?refsrc=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com%2Fsearch&_rdr

I wouldnt leave the house without checking it.

In fairness I am about to drive 45 minutes across the county. I can tell you right now the 2-3 spots where the speed vans/Gardai are likely to be (one of them beign right outside my door!); it shouldnt require a Facebook page to avoid being caught!

CiniO

djimi wrote: »

Youve got to draw a line between motoring discussion and the ranting and raving forum though! I dont disagree with you; the speed limits are too low and the Gardai use them as a revenue generating exercise, however the speed limits are clearly posted on all roads, and whether they are too low or not, its up to drivers to stick to them. Get caught breaking them and you will be punished. Its not stealthy or a scam or anything else; every one of us knows full well the consequences of breaking the speed limit, and can have no complaint if we get fined for exceeding them.

It's not that speed limits are too low.
It's that speed limits idea is wrong in general.
You can't limit everyone in every conditions to the same speed - and unfortunately that's exactly how speed limits work at the moment.

Experienced driver fully focused on what he's doing, with very good reaction time, in vehicle in perfect condition, brand new premium tyres, in good weather and no traffic around, might be perfectly safe to drive at 200km/h on certain stretch of the road.
While on the same stretch of the road, old driver with very long reaction time, who is tired and probably just about recovered from last days hangover, driving and eating his chips, in his 25 year old banger with cheap chineese tyres with 2mm tread, on windy and rainy day with fog and plenty traffic around doing 40km/h might be a big danger to anyone else.

Generally you can't just say that 80km/h is a speed limit, and that's a safe point. Below it you are safe, above it you aren't. That's nonsense.

daveohdave

R.O.R wrote: »

If caught doing 68, what would the Speedo be showing? 72,73 ish

Speedos can both under and over estimate.

Guy:Incognito

Jesus. wrote: »

I'm constantly amazed at the attitude toward fellow motorists on this of all forums. Its supposed to be a petrol-head Board for God's sake!.

Can you only be a petrol head if you break speed limits?

Guy:Incognito

daveohdave wrote: »

Speedos can both under and over estimate.

Not unless you've done something to the car from stock.

Youd probably have to have a 10% swing in the tyre size to go from over to under, going from say 225/55's to 225/45's.

CiniO

CiniO wrote: »

old driver with very long reaction time, who is tired and probably just about recovered from last days hangover, driving and eating his chips, in his 25 year old banger with cheap chineese tyres with 2mm tread, on windy and rainy day with fog and plenty traffic around doing 40km/h might be a big danger to anyone else.

Very bad view of elderly drivers don't you think ?

What about the 20 year old putting on her make up or the 21 year old fella texting away ?

CiniO

Deleted User wrote: »

Very disrespectful view of elderly drivers don't you think ?

Average 80 years old person will have much worse reaction time than average 20 year old person. That's a fact, and nothing disrespectful about it.

What about the 20 year old putting on her make up or the 21 year old fella texting away ?

Even worse probably.

Guy:Incognito

CiniO wrote: »

Average 80 years old person will have much worse reaction time than average 20 year old person. That's a fact, and nothing disrespectful about it.


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The average 80 year old is probably not doing all the other crap you tacked on for effect though. Hes also much less likely to be talking on his mobile or texting, blaring music , chatting to his 4 mates in the car that are bouncing around the place, smoking spliffs or any number of other things.

He'll also most likely be driving much slower than the speed limit.

CiniO

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The average 80 year old is probably not doing all the other crap you tacked on for effect though. Hes also much less likely to be talking on his mobile or texting, blaring music , chatting to his 4 mates in the car that are bouncing around the place, smoking spliffs or any number of other things.

He'll also most likely be driving much slower than the speed limit.

Yes, that's all correct - but that has nothing to do with my point.
I tried to show two extremes - sorry you didn't like my examples.

My point is though, that set speed limit of 80km/h and different drivers sticking to it, will mean different levels of safety among them - and that's not good thing.

CiniO

CiniO wrote: »

Average 80 years old person will have much worse reaction time than average 20 year old person. That's a fact, and nothing disrespectful about it.

Not disagreeing with you, on reaction time, but the rest of you post wasn't very respectful ? I'm not on my high horse by the way but this just annoyed me.

CiniO wrote: »

old driver with very long reaction time who is tired and probably just about recovered from last days hangover, driving and eating his chips, in his 25 year old banger with cheap chineese tyres with 2mm tread, on windy and rainy day with fog and plenty traffic around doing 40km/h might be a big danger to anyone else.

rwg

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

The average 80 year old is probably not doing all the other crap you tacked on for effect though. Hes also much less likely to be talking on his mobile or texting, blaring music , chatting to his 4 mates in the car that are bouncing around the place, smoking spliffs or any number of other things.

He'll also most likely be driving much slower than the speed limit.

rwg

rwg wrote: »

Great show of respect for his father al right, muppet. Putting a video of his father on you tube, and I bet didn't even ask his permission !

I've seen plenty of younger drivers trying to park like this ? what does this prove ?

Some people have a severe lack of respect for elderly people and seem to forget they themselves will be old some day.

dr.fuzzenstein

djimi wrote: »

In fairness I am about to drive 45 minutes across the county. I can tell you right now the 2-3 spots where the speed vans/Gardai are likely to be (one of them beign right outside my door!); it shouldnt require a Facebook page to avoid being caught!

The flash4cash isn't the problem, they are very predictable. The gards with hairdryers can be easy to miss though. And its handy to avoid checkpoints and being stuck in a massive holdup.

Odyssey 2005

brightspark wrote: »

The limits are limits not targets, you aren't supposed to travel at unsafe speeds regardless of what the limit is on that stretch of road.

Hope you dont get hurt if you ever fall off your horse.:mad:

bladebrew

I remember years back the big homemade sign with crosses painted on it on the left of the road near the scrapyard, that road had a bad reputation for deaths, maybe that's why the camera is there with a low speed limit?
Last week I drove into a village in Limerick doing about 70 in a 60, there was a go-safe van right in front of me, I'm waiting for a possible fine, but it was nobody's fault but mine, to say it is a stealth tax is ridiculous, how many taxes can be avoided by driving slower?

bladebrew

bladebrew wrote: »

how many taxes can be avoided by driving slower?

The problem isn't enforcing the limits and laws, the problem is the limits which some have been brought down from 100 kph to 80 kph, on roads that are clearly suitable for 100 kph and this is where they stick the speed vans.

The most important speed limit is never enforced in towns and villages that I see and traffic speeds on my local roads to the point it's difficult and dangerous for me to get out of my estate.

The 50 kph limit is too high for some small narrow streets and you don't see the 40 kph limit they have in Germany.

You can drive at up to 80 kph down tiny back roads full of pot holes where two cars have to almost stop to pass. That system is severely screwed up.

The speed vans are there for nothing other than revenue collection.

They put the vans where there have been fatalities, so is it then ok to speed through towns and villages ?

brightspark

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

That argument is the equivalent of a cow throwing up in its own mouth and chewing the cud. Maybe you want to cone up with something original?
Though I tried it once, the car was shaking, the road ahead was in tunnel vision, everything behind me was a blur as I did... 100 kilometers an hour! Wow! I'll never forget it.
Actually no, no speedlimit is some kind of unobtainable target, I wish twats going 20 under could understand that.

I never said that it was never possible to travel at the limit..my post wasn't response to a previous poster who highlighted some minor roads having speed limits of 80 when it is obviously not safe to travel at that speed.

And I agree travelling too slow is also hazardous, causing frustration and impatience resulting in dangerous overtaking and tailgating.

But it's amazing how all these highly skilled drivers are unable to drive without exceeding the speed limit, or at least slow down when they see the warning signs.

brightspark

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Hope you dont get hurt if you ever fall off your horse.:mad:

That's what airbags are for..:D

Odyssey 2005

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

The flash4cash isn't the problem, they are very predictable. The gards with hairdryers can be easy to miss though. And its handy to avoid checkpoints and being stuck in a massive holdup.

Yep your right there. Two of the money collectors maning a hairdryer near the RDS this morn at 0945. Very little traffic so idsay Minister Noonan will be very happy with their contribution to the state coffers today. Squad car sitting there doin fookall instead it should have been out catching the numerous ppl driving while talking with phones to their ears and dangerous driving. They will eventually run out of fish in the barrell, what'l they do then.

brightspark

brightspark wrote: »

But it's amazing how all these highly skilled drivers are unable to drive without exceeding the speed limit, or at least slow down when they see the warning signs.

Sure there is a lot of that too, this is why I believe that the hard shoulder should be open for drivers to pull in when someone wants to pass be they going at the limit or not, I pull in if safe to do so when I'm not in a hurry to go anywhere or someone is up my ass, I don;t feel bullied, I just pull over.

I believe this is why the hard shoulder also has continuous and broken lines so you can cross it, not to drive in but you can pull in, it;s not illegal.

Tail Docker

visual wrote: »

you can add M50 toll to that list too

but when you have old boys club in operation in department of transport what can you expect.

I noticed that we get quite saucy tolls over here too. Was in portugal and went through a few tolls - dearest was €1.70 for a long motorway stretch, the rest were 0.40c for a damn sight longer road than our M50. Paddy always seems to be able for dearer..

Odyssey 2005

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

They will eventually run out of fish in the barrell, what'l they do then.

They'll reduce the limits even more !

Odyssey 2005

Deleted User wrote: »

They'll reduce the limits even more !

Fook never thoughtof that one. The durty poxes prob would too.

Zascar

Speed limits are designed for the most barely competent licensed driver in the crappiest legal car. A trained race driver in capable sports car is more than safe going a bit over the speed limit, but you cant have different laws. I love the motors forum but the high horse brigade on here is just so boring. I don't know any true car and driving enthusiasts that blow the horn of "It's a limit - not a target" all day...

If the average driver was significantly more skilled behind the wheel then there would be a lot less accidents and perhaps the laws would not have to be as militant. But no, they do little to to make better drivers just come down hard on speeding and drink driving. If I made the laws I'd make everyone do an advanced driving test - and make you re-certify every 5-10 years.