The Sims 4

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degrassinoel wrote: »

your signature blinded me - don't be so lazy!

thanks for your feedback...

cherryghost

A depressing read of whats to come:

These are "not" rumors. Everything below has been confirmed with sources mentioned in this thread.

NOTE: Click the little 'x' for the source... (in progress of updating)

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MAJOR CONFIRMED MISSING: (All were in base versions of Sims 3)
No create a style (CAST) - NOT technically possible in future expansion (x)
No modifications to public space - The park in the demo is a mix of a community lot and public space (x1) (x2)
No nursery items other than basinet (cribs, highchairs, etc.)
No "normal" careers - Law enforcement, Medical, Business, Education, etc. were removed
NO OPEN WORLD - You can't just walk from house to house without loading screen...(x1) (x2)
No pools (x)
No terrain tools other than paint - REALLY !?!?! (x)
No toddlers (x)
No story progression - Aside from Sim's aging its out! (x)

MAJOR CONFIRMED AS CRIPPLED/LIMITED/LAME: (All were in base versions of Sims 3)
All buildings on a lot must either have/have not a foundation. No mixing for sheds, garages, etc. (x)
Babies are mere objects - ***ALL INTERACTION IS THRU THE BASINET, NO NEEDS, YOU CAN'T WALK AROUND WITH THEM*** (x)
Completely FLAT building lots - That's right we've gone back to living in a flat world! (x)
Fewer floors/levels (x)
SIGNIFICANTLY smaller "worlds" of <25 lots compared to 125+ lots (x)
Smaller lots - Lots are limited to 50x50 instead of 64x64. (x)
Loading screens for individual lots (x)
Teens are same height as adults and they along with elders all look nearly identical. (x)

ALL OTHER MISSING GAMEPLAY ELEMENTS: (Were in base versions of Sims 1, Sims 2, or Sims 3)
No ability to place lots using the world editor (x)
No aliens (x)
No babysitters (x)
No basements (patched into base Sims 3) (x)
No burglars (x)
No cars (including as décor in home) (x)
No cemeteries (x)
No cloths shopping (in Sims 2) (x)
No color wheel, predefined to ~20 colors (x)
No curfew (x)
No customization of multi-tone hair color (users select only main color) (x)
No dinner proposals (in Sims 2) (x)
No diseases or illness (x)
No eyelash length slider (x)
No favorites (food, color, music) (x)
No fears (x)
No garage doors (for those décor cars) (x)
No gardeners for hire - Who is going to cut my lawn? (x)
No ghosts (x)
No grocery stores (x)
No male body hair (patched into base Sims 3) (x)
No move object cheat (x)
No newspapers (x)
No opacity slider for makeup (x)
No party invitations from other Sims (ok this may be a duplicate as it is apparently part of Story Progression) (x)
No private schools (or even on screen schools for that matter) (x)
No rabbit holes at all - Sadly the fix was the sim goes off screen instead of fixing it so the locations were working lots (x)
No random deaths (x)
No repairmen (x)
No repo man - Your toilets are now safe!!! (x)
No restaurants (in Sims 2) (x)
No skin slider (x)
No swimming / swimwear - Including lakes, fountains, etc. (x)
No tragic clown or social bunny (x)
No way to watch the sim commute to work/school (x)
No website for browsing exchange or store (its in-game only) (x)
No zodiac signs (x)

MISSING OBJECTS: (Were in base versions of Sims 1, Sims 2, or Sims 3. Could certainly return as Premium Content or with Expansions)
No bikes (x)
No changing tables (in Sims 2) (x)
No dish washers (x)
No hot tubs (x)
No pool tables (in Sims 1 & 2) (x)
No trash compactors (x)

ALL OTHER THAT IS CONFIRMED LAME:
32-bit executable - Intel has not sold mainstream consumer PC 32-bit processors in like 7+ years and it should have been 64-bit (to address more RAM which is very important to this game) (x)
Fewer "actual" traits (new traits = rewards in Sims 3) (x)
Fewer user selectable traits per Sim within CAS (additional ones assigned during gameplay) (x)
Incompatible simpoint currency - DON'T BUY BUNDLES IF YOU PLAN TO USE THEM ON SIMS 4 (x)

MOST LIKELY TRUE (but not confirmed):
No create a world
No swings
Premium Membership REQUIRED to get certain sets on release day or at all

CONTESTED FACTS (responses vary):
No attraction system
No MAC version - Answer changed from "after PC release" to "no comment" which has 100% of the time ultimately meant "no".

Vision of Disorder

cherryghost wrote: »

A depressing read of whats to come:

You have just saved me the cost of the game and for that I thank you.

9bred4

cherryghost wrote: »

A depressing read of whats to come:

So there ends the Sims generation. If any games developer had half a brain they would tap into the market. I'd root for them if I knew they were making a genuine effort. Sick of EA's crap

humanji

All this talk of missing features makes me want to re-install Sims 3.

Shiminay

The thing is Sims fans are not the same sort of Games fans in the way that we might identify ourselves as Gamers on this forum - I'd jokingly suggest a lot of us would call them filthy casuals and rank them in the same slot as Farmville players

However, the Sims has a lot of seriously hardcore players none of whom might be aware of the sorts of practices that the marketing people in EA force upon their customers. Sim City did at least make a slight dent in mainstream media because a lot of its fanbase aren't the sort's of people who just bl33t abuse and cause all people with legitimate complaints to be simply ignored as whinging children (Sorry folks, but all you need to do is look at the vitriol these things generate, no one will ever listen to anyone who engages in that sort of noise, criticism needs to be constructive and spoken in a language that senior management in suits will be willing to read).

So this, for me, is EA shafting another customer base entirely.

Why they keep doing it is anyone's guess, but the $$$'s must just keep coming regardless.

micktrim

Thanks for the list of all the things removed, very disappointing number of things removed. I thought sims 3 was a good improvement on the second overall but doubt I will get this one. Will wait until it comes out but more then likely will not buy it

humanji

Shiminay wrote: »

Why they keep doing it is anyone's guess, but the $$$'s must just keep coming regardless.

It's actually mind-boggling that they'd do this. Many didn't like The Sims 3 because how it changed some of the features. But this one is straight removing them and openly happily proclaiming the fact. At least with Simcity they pretended they were awesome and then were exposed. Now they're just shrugging their shoulders and saying "well, yeah, but we've got more emotions (that don't seem to do much)".

I reinstalled Sims 3, as I threatened, and it still strikes me the level of detail they put into it. Things like getting major bands to re-record their own songs, but with the lyrics in simlish. That sort of thing is ingenious.

Sims 4 seems to have stripped everything back just to suit the create-a-lot feature, which still lacks some of the major features. It's like someone high up is having a bet as to how much they can push consumers and still get their money.

sparkle_23

There's lots of uproar on the official forums. It really sucks they've taken away all that stuff. The babies are like on TS1, stuck in the crib all the time. I need a new laptop and wasn't planning on getting a gaming one. Looks like I'll stick with TS3 so I'll buy an amazing one that lets me run all settings on high.

wyrn

So what is going to be in the game? Is there anything new to make up for the loss? Between what's been reported in Cherryghost's post and the latest SimCity, I think I'm pretty much done with all of the Sim's franchise. I don't know what EA are playing at.

sparkle_23

wyrn wrote: »

So what is going to be in the game? Is there anything new to make up for the loss? Between what's been reported in Cherryghost's post and the latest SimCity, I think I'm pretty much done with all of the Sim's franchise. I don't know what EA are playing at.

Emotions... Which seem to be crappy from what I've seen. So dissapointing, I love the art style and I got the create a sim demo and I love it. A pity they've taken so much out of the base game

Cravez

I wouldn't be surprised if they add these features back in at a later time via DLC/Expansions and charge top dollar for it.

Shiminay

Yea and I think it speaks volumes about what people think and have come to expect from EA that the first thought a lot of people had was "That'll be paid DLC later" and I'll bet it'll still fly out the door when they do start selling.

Gunslinger92

When I initially heard about Sims 4, I was delighted.

But having read that list of things that won't be in it, it's just put the nail in the coffin. I was already skeptical about it having watched a video from ComicCon where the girl presenting kept going on and on about how sims have emotions now. It seems to be the biggest selling point of it?

Plus, since I got the sims 2 ultimate collection, it's made me realise how much better 2 is than 3, at least in my opinion. I never got into 3 as much. Oh well..

Cravez

Sim City never really had much expansions though, Sim City 4 had maybe 1 or 2? However the Sims 3 had 11 expansion packs and had 9 content packs.

Different IP's may have different views on DLC content, even if they are with the same company. I think the concept of the Sims is a lot more exploitable for additional content than Sim City.

Generic Dreadhead

Was gonna write a big thing about my love affair with the sims games since the 1st and my feedback on the stuff listed in this thread..... said i'd go for a shorter, sharper, concise commentary to save us all some time

This sounds like it's going to be $hít

cherryghost

Create a Sim is fun. Lots more variation but still have massive reservations about the end product itself.

AlanS181824

Not long left now!

We'll soon be Simmin' away :pac:

I'm getting a new tablet for school so unfortunately I couldn't preorder but who has?

Did ye pay €70 for it?

AlanS181824

OSI wrote: »

I pre-ordered it for the SO. Haven't shown her any of the furore over the lack of features, hoping it means she can enjoy it more.

Ah that's really nice :pac:

Nah, I got it on WoCK for €35

What's WoCK?

€35 definitely isn't a bad price for it.

humanji

No review copies until after the release date.

http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/08/the-sims-4-review-copies-being-withheld-until-after-release-spells-a-pr-disaster/

Pretty much the final nail in the coffin.

Generic Dreadhead

humanji wrote: »

No review copies until after the release date.

http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/08/the-sims-4-review-copies-being-withheld-until-after-release-spells-a-pr-disaster/

Pretty much the final nail in the coffin.

This could be the worst major release of the year at this rate.

VinLieger

humanji wrote: »

No review copies until after the release date.

http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2014/08/the-sims-4-review-copies-being-withheld-until-after-release-spells-a-pr-disaster/

Pretty much the final nail in the coffin.

That speaks volumes, I would seriously recommend nobody pick this up until reviews are available

AlanS181824

Sims 4 is out 4/9 in Europe but 5/9 in England so does that mean we get it before them?

J_E

I felt like the biggest fan of The Sims until Sims 3, it felt like something went wrong. EA did it with SimCity 5 too, something just tweaked and stripped/commercialised too much for it to be enjoyable. Not sure I'll enjoy this one either.

cherryghost

Reviews will come in tomorrow.

cherryghost

User reviews are generally positive to my surprise. Eager to see the reviews posted tomorrow.

humanji

Well at least some of the bugs are entertaining: http://www.kotaku.co.uk/2014/09/02/sims-demon-babies-ba-aack

J_E

So I heard that they're autoplaying ads online with sound ingame? Can anyone confirm this?

Generic Dreadhead

cherryghost wrote: »

User reviews are generally positive to my surprise. Eager to see the reviews posted tomorrow.

Links or it's BS :P

J_E

Average review on Metacritic is pretty bad - safe to say EA held back review copies for a reason.