Anti-Irish (and anti-immigrant) councillor elected in Northern Ireland

MakeEmLaugh

Jolene Bunting, a councillor for TUV (Traditional Unionist Voice), has been elected in Belfast. She's the first TUV councillor to be elected in the city. TUV, for those who aren't aware, are a unionist party who reject the Good Friday Agreement, the St Andrews Agreement and basically any agreement that allows Sinn Féin to be in government in Northern Ireland.

I can understand a unionist party resenting Sinn Féin being in government, given their raison d'être is to break the union between Northern Ireland and Great Britain.

However, she seems to have a deep and troubling hatred for all things Irish. Some comments made on her Facebook page (admittedly from 2011 and 2012, before she was involved in the TUV, to the best of my knowledge) are startling to say the least. Bear in mind, everything has been transcribed as it was presented on her page, including spelling errors. To wit...

"I'm so sick of the poor catholic bastards they make me sick I wish they would jut go down to Ireland and then they can fly their flags and change the street sign down there its about time they realised that there are 6 county attached to their beloved Ireland that belongs to britain and always will !!!"

"ring asda [phone number given] an complain, they're selling st patrick day cards wi a big f-cking tri colour on them but wudnt sell dvds or prince williams wedding in case they offended anyone,took bread of shelves cause it had a wee union jack on it,pass this to all offended protestants."

She doesn't reserve her bile for Catholics or Ireland. Here's another update...

"Them f-ckers sent my Census form back!! In answer to one question, 'Do you have any dependants your paying for?', I put, 'MP's, , Asylym Seekers, gypos, smack heads, paedophilles, prisoner's, the cast of the Jeremy Kyle Show, Northern Rock, RBS, Greece, portugal, Ireland, and half of f-ckin Eastern Europe!....."

That someone with these views can get elected in 2014 is very worrying.

My name is URL

Bunting... apt name for a fleg fanatic

kingchess

the census return is very funny:o

Mr. CooL ICE

Look at her. If her skin was yellow, she would look like a legoman

the_syco

I see it as ironic that she doesn't like immigrants, yet she's most likely a descendent of a Scottish or British immigrant... :pac:

Tail Docker

Shocking. Is there any precedence for this type of sectarianism in that part of the world? This seems very out of character for someone from any part of Northern ireland, regardless of their political persuasion. Usually so tolerant and openminded.

wazky

Sounds a shoe in for next Great Wizard of the OO

wicklowstevo

hell we have our dissociated political nut jobs (ming wallace daly etc ) why cant they have theirs, its only fair after all

suicide_circus

wicklowstevo wrote: »

hell we have our dissociated political nut jobs (ming wallace daly etc ) why cant they have theirs, its only fair after all

Lol yeah theyre directly comparable

SimonLynch

Her mangling of the Queen's English is impressive if nothing else about her.

Volvic Water

LordChessington wrote: »

Look at her. If her skin was yellow, she would look like a legoman

She looks like she has an extra chromosome.

SEPT 23 1989

I have heard the same bile spoken about English people and members of the protestant faith down here over the years

Mr. Incognito

Haters gonna hate.

Let's hate them.........hmmmm. Is that right?

SEPT 23 1989

I have heard the same bile spoken about English people and members of the protestant faith down here over the years

SEPT 23 1989

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Frank Lee Midere

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I have heard the same bile spoken about English people and members of the protestant faith down here over the years

Yeah you haven't.

Frank Lee Midere

I thought the census post was funny alright. And an informal post is not a manifesto.

Nodin

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I have heard the same bile spoken about English people and members of the protestant faith down here over the years

That makes it ok then. Somebody will doubtless soon be along to lock the thread.

MakeEmLaugh

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I have heard the same bile spoken about English people and members of the protestant faith down here over the years

I doubt from an elected councillor.

SEPT 23 1989

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Yeah you haven't.

I have

SimonLynch

wicklowstevo wrote: »

hell we have our dissociated political nut jobs (ming wallace daly etc ) why cant they have theirs, its only fair after all

You can't possibly compare Flanagan to that, nut-job he ain't.

Duckworth_Luas

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

I thought the census post was funny alright. And an informal post is not a manifesto.

That was a joke doing the rounds online over the last few years.

WellThen?

I'd be ashamed with somebody like that representing me. Regardless of her views(which are imo disgusting) her way of vocalising these makes her come across as a mutant.

BuilderPlumber

This person is not the first or last elected politician to speak with poor choices of words. In fact, she is quite tame to other nutters who once held the highest office in their countries such as Bush, Blair, Ahmadinejad, Milosevic and the like who rose to the top and based most of their political careers on hatred (Blair seemed to merely copy the US president regardless of how sane the US president was). Closer to home, this TUC view is merely just old Ian Paisley stuff regenerated.

pablomakaveli

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I have heard the same bile spoken about English people and members of the protestant faith down here over the years

I honestly don't think a politician that bigoted and sectarian would be elected down here. I know we have a bad lot, but not as bad as her.

RobertKK

I wonder would she have considered the Irish in this part of the island as being British 100 years ago or Irish given Northern Ireland didn't exist then.

Or would that just mess her head up even more?

Frank Lee Midere

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I have

Irish People calling English people scroungers? You need better friends.

Grand Moff Tarkin

Sad old bitch.

MakeEmLaugh

Mr. Incognito wrote: »

Haters gonna hate.

Let's hate them.........hmmmm. Is that right?

Hating groups of people based on their religion or nationality is indefensible.

Hating an individual who expresses such hatred is a different matter.

okedoke

I wonder is she anything to Ronnie Bunting (Protestant INLA member)?

hjkl

Grand Moff Tarkin wrote: »

Sad old orange bitch.

Was there a need to include the word orange in that sentence?

Tail Docker

frimpong wrote: »

Was there a need to include the word orange in that sentence?

"Tanned" better?

Kristopherus

okedoke wrote: »

I wonder is she anything to Ronnie Bunting (Protestant INLA member)?

Well his father was a loyalist firebrand a la Paisley, whom he had a a close relationship in the lat 70s, early 80s.

Shakespeare's Sister

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I have heard the same bile spoken about English people and members of the protestant faith down here over the years

From an elected councillor?
Also, I don't understand what point you're making. Does that make what she spews any less wrong? Are you saying criticism of one means the other is being let off the hook, as opposed to it being quite straightforward to be critical of both?
Yes there are bigots down here, but this thread is about her.

When people whatabout, they should have a think-through what the actual point of it is.

mikeym

Im not surprised that an anti-irish/foreigner would get elected.

Even Ian Paisley mellowed out over time.

Karl Stein

What do we want?

Flegs!

When do we want them?

1690!

Lingua Franca

Ah, there's more!

"Weed cures... leukemia and all at" "Buy my bongs!"

https://www.facebook.com/BELFASTLAD/photos/a.167845846753708.1073741828.167750270096599/251723251699300/?type=1&theater

Mind you, they also fielded this wee scrote: http://ladbelfast.tumblr.com/post/82329146246/an-exchange-between-lad-and-the-tuv-election

Standards, the TUV have none.

Kiwi in IE

And Sinn Fein want her and those who voted for her to become citizens of the Republic?

I actually agree with the majority of Sinn Fein's policies with the exception of that very bad one.

Cookie_Monster

"Them f-ckers sent my Census form back!! In answer to one question, 'Do you have any dependants your paying for?', I put, 'MP's, , Asylym Seekers, gypos, smack heads, paedophilles, prisoner's, the cast of the Jeremy Kyle Show, Northern Rock, RBS, Greece, portugal, Ireland, and half of f-ckin Eastern Europe!....."

It's amazing how many people in the past week have turned out to have put that on their census forms - all over the world too.

bear1

I wonder does it piss her right off that the place she lives in has Ireland in the title....
What a sad woman. The census though was funny

RDM_83 again

"ring asda [phone number given] an complain, they're selling st patrick day cards wi a big f-cking tri colour on them but wudnt sell dvds or prince williams wedding in case they offended anyone,took bread of shelves cause it had a wee union jack on it,pass this to all offended protestants.

"Them f-ckers sent my Census form back!! In answer to one question, 'Do you have any dependants your paying for?', I put, 'MP's, , Asylym Seekers, gypos, smack heads, paedophilles, prisoner's, the cast of the Jeremy Kyle Show, Northern Rock, RBS, Greece, portugal, Ireland, and half of f-ckin Eastern Europe!....."

I for one am very disturbed by this trend in modern day hardline Unionist politics.

She didn't mention God or Sodomy once

okedoke

Kristopherus wrote: »

Well his father was a loyalist firebrand a la Paisley, whom he had a a close relationship in the lat 70s, early 80s.

I know, that's why I thought there might be a connection.

BuilderPlumber

mikeym wrote: »

Im not surprised that an anti-irish/foreigner would get elected.

Even Ian Paisley mellowed out over time.

A lot of these including Ian Paisley were clever politicians who gave their audience what they wanted to hear. Paisley took a hard line on the IRA and on a Catholic threat. He did this for 2 reasons: the IRA were a real and present danger to protestants and citizens of NI who wanted to remain part of the UK. And secondly Catholicism was a threat to protestantism and Ian was the head of his own church! Big Ian and his party took a very different view in European elections: he was very supportive of farmers north and south when he was representing Irish agriculture against EU bureaucracy. Again, he was playing to an audience. He moderated his policies later on wrt the IRA and Catholicism: he was able to adapt, reinvent himself and he was (love him or hate him) a very successful politician. Had he been a true bigot, he would have been much less successful.

BuilderPlumber

okedoke wrote: »

I wonder is she anything to Ronnie Bunting (Protestant INLA member)?

The INLA were probably in their time the most fanatical of the Provo splinter groups. The 1970s and 1980s equivalent of today's Real IRA, only much more brutal and active.

Bunting came full circle from fanatic UVF/UDA/UDF type background to being a fanatic IRA activist. It may sound impossible but it is more common than one imagines.

Looking at Republican and Loyalist terrorists shows that at first glance they are indistinguishable in appearance: balaclava clad toughies with muscle to spare. Overweight but on muscle. Tattoos.

In politics, both oppose the existing entities in Ireland. Far from being loyal to the modern British system, loyalist terrorists see it as getting in their way of setting up their dream supposedly protestant state. Loyalist terrorists don't like the Republic either but to a lesser extent than how the IRA felt about the UK. The IRAs and other republican terrorists likewise see the Irish state as a similar obstacle to setting up their dream supposedly catholic state.

So. Have loyalists and republicans of a terrorist nature common enemies? Yes. Could they work together if it suited? Of course. Have we seen recently Real IRA or dissident loyalists go to war with each other? No. Strange as it seems, they are no longer enemies and both oppose the peace process and have ironically found themselves on the same side with common enemies.

Muise...

Jolene, Jolene, Jolene, JOLEEEEENE, you have Dolly Parton ringing in my ears now, and your surname is a gift to rhyming slang. Definitely one to watch.

okedoke

BuilderPlumber wrote: »

The INLA were probably in their time the most fanatical of the Provo splinter groups. The 1970s and 1980s equivalent of today's Real IRA, only much more brutal and active.

Bunting came full circle from fanatic UVF/UDA/UDF type background to being a fanatic IRA activist. It may sound impossible but it is more common than one imagines.

Looking at Republican and Loyalist terrorists shows that at first glance they are indistinguishable in appearance: balaclava clad toughies with muscle to spare. Overweight but on muscle. Tattoos.

In politics, both oppose the existing entities in Ireland. Far from being loyal to the modern British system, loyalist terrorists see it as getting in their way of setting up their dream supposedly protestant state. Loyalist terrorists don't like the Republic either but to a lesser extent than how the IRA felt about the UK. The IRAs and other republican terrorists likewise see the Irish state as a similar obstacle to setting up their dream supposedly catholic state.

So. Have loyalists and republicans of a terrorist nature common enemies? Yes. Could they work together if it suited? Of course. Have we seen recently Real IRA or dissident loyalists go to war with each other? No. Strange as it seems, they are no longer enemies and both oppose the peace process and have ironically found themselves on the same side with common enemies.

Couple of points:
the INLA was a splinter from the Officials not the Provos
The similarities you point out between Loyalists & Republicans: the tatoos/overweight..etc - generally this look would be associated with loyalists rather than republicans I would think (with many exceptions on both sides I'm sure). Besides, presumably all illegal terrorist organisations use balaclavas for obvious reasons.
Some other odd views about loyalism and republicanism in the rest of your post.

The Backwards Man

There isn't anymore hatefilled bigoted lunatics in the north than there is anywhere else in the world, believe it or not. The problem is they are given far too much oxygen.

NIMAN

As shocking as it is that she got elected, I suppose this is democracy we are talking about. She ran, people voted for her. Not much we can do about it.

Cork boy 55

Jolene, Jolene, Jolene, Jolene
I'm begging of you please don't take Ulster
Jolene, Jolene, Jolene, Jolene
Please don't take it just because you can

OldMrBrennan83

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pablomakaveli

Could have been worse though. That woman who wanted to recriminalize homosexuality didn't get elected.