Can you actually be racist towards white people?

bb1234567

For a long time I thought racism towards caucasians wasnt a genuine issue, like it didnt REALLY exist.Sure sometimes people of other races may use some supposedly offensive terms like 'cracker' or honky or whatever. But does it honestly affect us? No. Because why would some hurtful words effect a race that already has all the advantages. No one stops a white person for looking suspicious, whites arent a minority that make up the majority of the american prison popuation etc. Because white has been made well known as a “safe skin color”. I used to believe that if you believed in racism against white people then you just wanted a reason to feel bad because your life is already so ****ing good already based on the fact that you were lucky to be blessed with white skin in a racist world.
But recently Ive heard about acts of clear hatred towards white people which were not categorised as so, simplybecause the victims were white. And we all know white people are never victims...
I found this case really awful.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

A young white couple brutally murdered by 5 black attackers. Well to me personally i dont see how this could not be a hate crime. If 5 white men had killed a black couple theres no question that it would be considered a hate crime.

* and just to add. HOw many of you have even heard of the above case? I hadnt til a few days ago and it happpened in 2007 but for instance I would say almost everyone has heard of the travyonmartin case and knows all about it too.

Fr_Dougal

White straight makes: Open season.

el pasco

bb1234567 wrote: »

For a long time I thought racism towards caucasians wasnt a genuine issue, like it didnt REALLY exist.Sure sometimes people of other races may use some supposedly offensive terms like 'cracker' or honky or whatever. But does it honestly affect us? No. Because why would some hurtful words effect a race that already has all the advantages. No one stops a white person for looking suspicious, whites arent a minority that make up the majority of the american prison popuation etc. Because white has been made well known as a “safe skin color”. I used to believe that if you believed in racism against white people then you just wanted a reason to feel bad because your life is already so ****ing good already based on the fact that you were lucky to be blessed with white skin in a racist world.
But recently Ive heard about acts of clear hatred towards white people which were not categorised as so, simplybecause the victims were white. And we all know white people are never victims...
I found this case really awful.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

A young white couple brutally murdered by 5 black attackers. Well to me personally i dont see how this could not be a hate crime. If 5 white men had killed a black couple theres no question that it would be considered a hate crime.

* and just to add. HOw many of you have even heard of the above case? I hadnt til a few days ago and it happpened in 2007 but for instance I would say almost everyone has heard of the travyonmartin case and knows all about it too.

Yes you can be racist against white people

bb1234567

el pasco wrote: »

Yes you can be racist against white people

Yeah clearly, but mostly I mean why are cases of racism against white people not taken seriously by anybody when cases of hate crimes perpetrated by whites are such big news.

biko

Anything seems to be racism these days, so sure.

BetterThanThou

Yes, though, due to the fact that they're the majority, no one cares. Let's take Ireland for example, Ireland doesn't have any of those issues that some other countries do. Provided they can speak English and are functional members of society, people of other races and foreigners have no disadvantage in our country. But, if a black person called me a "cracker", it wouldn't be viewed as a racial slur, if I used a certain racial slur against them, I'd be considered racist. Hell, if I used that racial slur on boards my post would probably be deleted, but "cracker" is fine, that shows how biased people are with this issue. Hell, I remember one time me and a group of my friends were attacked by a group of Hispanic(possibly Argentinian) guys and called racial slurs, simply because they don't like white people, that's clearly racism, but no one cares, because whites are the majority.

el pasco

bb1234567 wrote: »

Yeah clearly, but mostly I mean why are cases of racism against white people not taken seriously by anybody when cases of hate crimes perpetrated by whites are such big news.

IMHO that is clearly wrong I was subject to racist abuse by a group of Africans in my own country and I did feel left out and alone and isolated

bb1234567

el pasco wrote: »

IMHO that is clearly wrong I was subject to racist abuse by a group of Africans in my own country and I did feel left out and alone and isolated

Well I'm sorry to hear that, BUt all Im saying is like if you had reported that I'd put money on it that the gards or whoever else wouldnt give two sharks

el pasco

BetterThanThou wrote: »

Yes, though, due to the fact that they're the majority, no one cares. Let's take Ireland for example, Ireland doesn't have any of those issues that some other countries do. Provided they can speak English and are functional members of society, people of other races and foreigners have no disadvantage in our country. But, if a black person called me a "cracker", it wouldn't be viewed as a racial slur, if I used a certain racial slur against them, I'd be considered racist. Hell, if I used that racial slur on boards my post would probably be deleted, but "cracker" is fine, that shows how biased people are with this issue. Hell, I remember one time me and a group of my friends were attacked by a group of Hispanic(possibly Argentinian) guys and called racial slurs, simply because they don't like white people, that's clearly racism, but no one cares, because whites are the majority.

I agree with you there you can be rasict towards white but not non whites black people seems to be top of the pecking order when it comes to a no no in terms of rasict insult white people can be insulted by anyone IMHO

el pasco

bb1234567 wrote: »

Well I'm sorry to hear that, BUt all Im saying is like if you had reported that I'd put money on it that the gards or whoever else wouldnt give two sharks

I'd agree with you there in England it's crazy the amount of abuse white people put up with from non white its ok to open make jokes about white people madness

hatrickpatrick

Absolutely despise "privilege" based arguments like those in the OP. Racism, sexism, etc are defined as prejudice / discrimination based on certain demographic attributes. That's it. The definition doesn't include "only against those in the minority".
If equality is truly what we desire (which I hope it is), then everyone should be treated the same way, and that includes having to follow the same rules. If one demographic doesn't have to follow a rule, no demographic does. If one demographic has a particular rule to follow, then all must follow it. If one rule applies only when actions are directed towards a particular demographic, it must apply when directed against every human.

Otherwise, you're simply creating new problems.

Manach

Well it is a reversion to historical names.It was only in the pass few centuries that for much of the world that North Europeans were not (I'd argue wrongly) held as pale and barbarian people. Truth is (from my reading of history), each group of people acts in some ways overtly/covertly in a prejudicial manner and only in the case of another greater competing intellectual paradigm (such as religion or ideology) that it can held in abeyance.

steveone

Yes-by calling them white.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBhzJnJIilI

flanders1979

An African chap tried to wind me up with some guff about the potato famine during a game of soccer. I found it amusing

Vito Corleone

So many stupid cracka' boys in this thread. What you birdshits gonna do about it?

bb1234567

Vito Corleone wrote: »

So many stupid cracka' boys in this thread. What you birdshits gonna do about it?

NOthing to be done so it seems, sure white people have it grand dont we who cares if people insult them theyre white!

wendell borton

The nation of Islam have some very weird ideas about white people.

longhalloween

bb1234567 wrote: »

NOthing to be done so it seems, sure white people have it grand dont we who cares if people insult them theyre white!

kikidelvin

At the moment I am trying to bring a racist case against a chap from Kerry,for telling nasty jokes about Dubliners,

ardle1

Remember all de sh!t went down in Mississippi! Yeah well that's why them der dudes can cry the racist card how and whenever they feel like it, loads of bad sh!t went down, all orchestrated by white lynch mobs innit:cool:

bb1234567

bb1234567 wrote: »

Can you actually be racist towards white people?

Of course.

The moment you judge ANYONE as being anything other than the individual they are - then you are being something-ist.

Now I am not saying WHAT that is - or making any value judgement positive or negative about it -

- it is natural to our species. You view a person and you instantly classify them. It might be white. Black. Male. Female. Religious. Atheist. Loud. Quiete. Vocal. something.

But the potential for an -ism is ALWAYS there. Even Racism.

We are not a good species for treating individuals as the individuals they actually are. The most of us are "-ist" about most judgements we make about people. We simply naturally need to classify people. And judgements always follow from that classification almost by default.

So can we be "ANYTHING-ist" towards anyone? Yes. Anyone can. Anytime.

GerB40

Shur I wouldn't know, I'm from Donegal..

longhalloween

ardle1 wrote: »

Remember all de sh!t went down in Mississippi! Yeah well that's why them der dudes can cry the racist card how and whenever they feel like it, loads of bad sh!t went down, all orchestrated by white lynch mobs innit:cool:

Well hold on now. It wasn't just black people who were sold as slaves.

Plenty of Irish were slaves as well, and treated worse due to Catholicism. We've no white guilt when it comes to racism, same as Africans have little claim to the moral high ground due to American slavery.

kikidelvin

Slavery was started by some of the African tribes ,they found it a nice little earner.

RDM_83 again

kikidelvin wrote: »

Slavery was started by some of the African tribes ,they found it a nice little earner.

Slavery was an Irish institution in earlier times, I always find it ironic when people talk about the egalitarian early irish society which at the same time had a defined unit rate of exchange of 3 cows for 1 female body slave.

Also AFAIK slav comes from slave as they could be traded since they weren't christian

ardle1

longhalloween wrote: »

Well hold on now. It wasn't just black people who were sold as slaves.

Plenty of Irish were slaves as well, and treated worse due to Catholicism. We've no white guilt when it comes to racism, same as Africans have little claim to the moral high ground due to American slavery.

I didn't know about the Irish slave trade, that's bad sh!t man, so dems is racist too innit! Funk dat sh!t am hurtin dude innit:cool:

WilyCoyote

flanders1979 wrote: »

An African chap tried to wind me up with some guff about the potato famine during a game of soccer. I found it amusing

You should have twisted his mangoes - Vinny Jones' style:

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/Paul-Gascoigne-Football_71255.jpg

Olive8585

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Absolutely despise "privilege" based arguments like those in the OP. Racism, sexism, etc are defined as prejudice / discrimination based on certain demographic attributes. That's it. The definition doesn't include "only against those in the minority".
If equality is truly what we desire (which I hope it is), then everyone should be treated the same way, and that includes having to follow the same rules. If one demographic doesn't have to follow a rule, no demographic does. If one demographic has a particular rule to follow, then all must follow it. If one rule applies only when actions are directed towards a particular demographic, it must apply when directed against every human.

Otherwise, you're simply creating new problems.

Yeah, it's not that simple though, is it?

A black guy in Ireland calls me a cracker or a honky - yeah, not that nice, but it's not going to cut deep, is it? I'm in the majority in Ireland. I didn't grow up being treated differently because of my skin colour or feeling like I didn't fit in because of how I looked...being called a honky is really not that different to being called en eejit or a b1tch, it's just another insult.

If I call a black guy who grew up in ireland the N word, there is a lot more attached to it and it has a greater capacity to hurt, imo.

RGDATA!

biko wrote: »

Anything seems to be racism these so sure.

Are you resentful that some of your views are considered racist or something? Or are you just shaking a fist at 'political correctness gone mad'?

Davidius

Of course you can be racist/discriminatory toward white people. You'd be foolish to think otherwise.

Nodin

bb1234567 wrote: »

For a long (...............)case and knows all about it too.

Nobody has said anti-white racism does not exist.

As regards your own link, if you might read all of it......

Police Chief Sterling Owen IV said that there is no indication the crimes were racially motivated and that the murders and assault "appears to have been a random violent act."[48] "There is absolutely no proof of a hate crime," said John Gill, special counsel to Knox County District Atty. Randy Nichols. "We know from our investigation that the people charged in this case were friends with white people, socialized with white people, dated white people. So not only is there no evidence of any racial animus, there's evidence to the contrary."[49]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

mikemac1

kikidelvin wrote: »

At the moment I am trying to bring a racist case against a chap from Kerry,for telling nasty jokes about Dubliners,

Sure the Dubs are the blacks of Ireland

rockbeast

"White Pride!" :eek:

Spunge

Its pretty racist to claim the term racism is only applicable to non-white discrimination

rockbeast

White Men Can't Jump

Black Men Can't Swim

Which concept could possibly get made as a film...?:eek:

suicide_circus

Too many cracker ass honkies in this thread.

mikemac1

rockbeast wrote: »

White Men Can't Jump

Black Men Can't Swim

Which concept could possibly get made as a film...?:eek:

???

Eric the Eel went to the Olympics and won his heat (only because everyone else got disqualified so he had to swim on his own )

Still he's a winner :cool:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rqI8xwXVac

pow wow

bb1234567 wrote: »

* and just to add. HOw many of you have even heard of the above case? I hadnt til a few days ago and it happpened in 2007 but for instance I would say almost everyone has heard of the travyonmartin case and knows all about it too.

I was a student at the time of the same college they were students of when they were murdered. It's still with me to this today as the horrors of what actually happened to them (seriously, don't google it) were released in the media during the trial in great detail. There has been uproar for years that their case didn't garner more national attention, and of course there are plenty of anti-white campaigners/websites saying they were asking for it, she loved every minute of what happened to her, how could the perpetrators be blamed when the white man kept them down for years etc.

The case is well known in the South but less so throughout the rest of the US.

rockbeast

I wonder would the mods approve a request for a M.O.W.O. (Music of White Origin) forum on boards?

Nope!:D

Lucifer MorningStar

OFC you can be, but you won't be taken seriously.

rockbeast

** Meant in good humour towards any white people on boards:eek:

When I was born, I was black,
When I grew up, I was black,
When I'm sick, I'm black,
When I go out in the sun, I'm black,
When I'm cold, I'm black,
When I die, I'll be black,

But you,

When you're born, you're pink,
When you grow up, you're white,
When you're sick, you're green,
When you go out in the sun, you go red,
When you're cold, you go blue,
When you die, you'll be purple,

And you have the nerve to call me colored!

Sunglasses Ron

rockbeast wrote: »

** Meant in good humour towards any white people on boards:eek:

When I was born, I was black,
When I grew up, I was black,
When I'm sick, I'm black,
When I go out in the sun, I'm black,
When I'm cold, I'm black,
When I die, I'll be black,

But you,

When you're born, you're pink,
When you grow up, you're white,
When you're sick, you're green,
When you go out in the sun, you go red,
When you're cold, you go blue,
When you die, you'll be purple,

And you have the nerve to call me colored!

In fairness I've seen black writers refer to actresses or singers and such as "women of colour".

Women of colour are black only? They've obviously never seen a traveler confirmation or wedding.

Cazzoenorme

I was called a wigger once.

Michael D Not Higgins

If you’re white and you don’t admit that it’s great, you’re an asshole! It is great and I’m a man. How many advantages can one person have? I’m a white man, you can’t even hurt my feelings! What can you really call a white man that really digs deep? 'Hey cracker!' ... 'Oh, ruined my day. Boy, shouldn’t have called me a cracker, bringing me back to owning land and people. What a drag.'
-Louis CK

bb1234567

Nodin wrote: »

Nobody has said anti-white racism does not exist.

As regards your own link, if you might read all of it......

Police Chief Sterling Owen IV said that there is no indication the crimes were racially motivated and that the murders and assault "appears to have been a random violent act."[48] "There is absolutely no proof of a hate crime," said John Gill, special counsel to Knox County District Atty. Randy Nichols. "We know from our investigation that the people charged in this case were friends with white people, socialized with white people, dated white people. So not only is there no evidence of any racial animus, there's evidence to the contrary."[49]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

I have read it all and I completely disagree. I honestly think the chances of five black attackers randomy picking up and brutally murdering a white couple for no reason whatsover are slim to none. Obviously it was racially motivated, it is very hard for police to get solid evidence in a case to prove a crime was racially motivated. But sometimes its obvious when one is, even if the police dont want to admit it.

the travyon martin case is widely thought of as a hate crime and that wasnt even perpetrated by a white man (he was mixed race so i heard) and only involved one black victim. How anyone can call that a hate crime and the channon christian case not a hate crime has some kind of anti-white agenda.

KTRIC

Whenever I had an disagreement or argument with a black person they were ALWAYS the first to bring up skin colour or race even though it was not even connected to the discussion. It boils my pure Aryan white blood so it does !! :pac:

razorblunt

BetterThanThou wrote: »

Yes, though, due to the fact that they're the majority, no one cares. Let's take Ireland for example, Ireland doesn't have any of those issues that some other countries do. Provided they can speak English and are functional members of society, people of other races and foreigners have no disadvantage in our country. But, if a black person called me a "cracker", it wouldn't be viewed as a racial slur, if I used a certain racial slur against them, I'd be considered racist. Hell, if I used that racial slur on boards my post would probably be deleted, but "cracker" is fine, that shows how biased people are with this issue. Hell, I remember one time me and a group of my friends were attacked by a group of Hispanic(possibly Argentinian) guys and called racial slurs, simply because they don't like white people, that's clearly racism, but no one cares, because whites are the majority.

Have to disagree with this entirely, worked somewhere once where an African lady was instantly dismissed for referring to the supervisor as a "cracker/white boy", I can't remember which exactly. But she was out the door within half an hour.

bb1234567

razorblunt wrote: »

Have to disagree with this entirely, worked somewhere once where an African lady was instantly dismissed for referring to the supervisor as a "cracker/white boy", I can't remember which exactly. But she was out the door within half an hour.

Wow really? Im actually so surprised by that

El Weirdo

bb1234567 wrote: »

I have read it all and I completely disagree. I honestly think the chances of five black attackers randomy picking up and brutally murdering a white couple for no reason whatsover are slim to none. Obviously it was racially motivated, it is very hard for police to get solid evidence in a case to prove a crime was racially motivated. But sometimes its obvious when one is, even if the police dont want to admit it.

the travyon martin case is widely thought of as a hate crime and that wasnt even perpetrated by a white man (he was mixed race so i heard) and only involved one black victim. How anyone can call that a hate crime and the channon christian case not a hate crime has some kind of anti-white agenda.

I think I'll take the word of people that were actually involved in the investigation over someone that's read a Wikipedia article.

bb1234567 wrote: »

Wow really? Im actually so surprised by that

Why? Beause it doesn't conform to your notions that black people get a pass to be racist towards white people?

bb1234567

El Weirdo wrote: »

I think I'll take the word of people that were actually involved in the investigation over someone that's read a Wikipedia article.

Why? Beause it doesn't conform to your notions that black people get a pass to be racist towards white people?

No because I've witnessed black people being racist towards white people several times without any consequences.