Can you actually be racist towards white people?

bb1234567 · 16-05-2014 12:32AM #1

For a long time I thought racism towards caucasians wasnt a genuine issue, like it didnt REALLY exist.Sure sometimes people of other races may use some supposedly offensive terms like 'cracker' or honky or whatever. But does it honestly affect us? No. Because why would some hurtful words effect a race that already has all the advantages. No one stops a white person for looking suspicious, whites arent a minority that make up the majority of the american prison popuation etc. Because white has been made well known as a “safe skin color”. I used to believe that if you believed in racism against white people then you just wanted a reason to feel bad because your life is already so ****ing good already based on the fact that you were lucky to be blessed with white skin in a racist world.
But recently Ive heard about acts of clear hatred towards white people which were not categorised as so, simplybecause the victims were white. And we all know white people are never victims...
I found this case really awful.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

A young white couple brutally murdered by 5 black attackers. Well to me personally i dont see how this could not be a hate crime. If 5 white men had killed a black couple theres no question that it would be considered a hate crime.

* and just to add. HOw many of you have even heard of the above case? I hadnt til a few days ago and it happpened in 2007 but for instance I would say almost everyone has heard of the travyonmartin case and knows all about it too.

Fr_Dougal · 16-05-2014 12:37AM

White straight makes: Open season.

el pasco · 16-05-2014 12:39AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

For a long time I thought racism towards caucasians wasnt a genuine issue, like it didnt REALLY exist.Sure sometimes people of other races may use some supposedly offensive terms like 'cracker' or honky or whatever. But does it honestly affect us? No. Because why would some hurtful words effect a race that already has all the advantages. No one stops a white person for looking suspicious, whites arent a minority that make up the majority of the american prison popuation etc. Because white has been made well known as a “safe skin color”. I used to believe that if you believed in racism against white people then you just wanted a reason to feel bad because your life is already so ****ing good already based on the fact that you were lucky to be blessed with white skin in a racist world.
But recently Ive heard about acts of clear hatred towards white people which were not categorised as so, simplybecause the victims were white. And we all know white people are never victims...
I found this case really awful.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

A young white couple brutally murdered by 5 black attackers. Well to me personally i dont see how this could not be a hate crime. If 5 white men had killed a black couple theres no question that it would be considered a hate crime.

* and just to add. HOw many of you have even heard of the above case? I hadnt til a few days ago and it happpened in 2007 but for instance I would say almost everyone has heard of the travyonmartin case and knows all about it too.

Yes you can be racist against white people

bb1234567 · 16-05-2014 12:41AM

el pasco wrote: »

Yes you can be racist against white people

Yeah clearly, but mostly I mean why are cases of racism against white people not taken seriously by anybody when cases of hate crimes perpetrated by whites are such big news.

biko · 16-05-2014 12:42AM

Anything seems to be racism these days, so sure.

BetterThanThou · 16-05-2014 12:47AM

Yes, though, due to the fact that they're the majority, no one cares. Let's take Ireland for example, Ireland doesn't have any of those issues that some other countries do. Provided they can speak English and are functional members of society, people of other races and foreigners have no disadvantage in our country. But, if a black person called me a "cracker", it wouldn't be viewed as a racial slur, if I used a certain racial slur against them, I'd be considered racist. Hell, if I used that racial slur on boards my post would probably be deleted, but "cracker" is fine, that shows how biased people are with this issue. Hell, I remember one time me and a group of my friends were attacked by a group of Hispanic(possibly Argentinian) guys and called racial slurs, simply because they don't like white people, that's clearly racism, but no one cares, because whites are the majority.

el pasco · 16-05-2014 12:47AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Yeah clearly, but mostly I mean why are cases of racism against white people not taken seriously by anybody when cases of hate crimes perpetrated by whites are such big news.

IMHO that is clearly wrong I was subject to racist abuse by a group of Africans in my own country and I did feel left out and alone and isolated

bb1234567 · 16-05-2014 12:51AM

el pasco wrote: »

IMHO that is clearly wrong I was subject to racist abuse by a group of Africans in my own country and I did feel left out and alone and isolated

Well I'm sorry to hear that, BUt all Im saying is like if you had reported that I'd put money on it that the gards or whoever else wouldnt give two sharks

el pasco · 16-05-2014 12:52AM

BetterThanThou wrote: »

Yes, though, due to the fact that they're the majority, no one cares. Let's take Ireland for example, Ireland doesn't have any of those issues that some other countries do. Provided they can speak English and are functional members of society, people of other races and foreigners have no disadvantage in our country. But, if a black person called me a "cracker", it wouldn't be viewed as a racial slur, if I used a certain racial slur against them, I'd be considered racist. Hell, if I used that racial slur on boards my post would probably be deleted, but "cracker" is fine, that shows how biased people are with this issue. Hell, I remember one time me and a group of my friends were attacked by a group of Hispanic(possibly Argentinian) guys and called racial slurs, simply because they don't like white people, that's clearly racism, but no one cares, because whites are the majority.

I agree with you there you can be rasict towards white but not non whites black people seems to be top of the pecking order when it comes to a no no in terms of rasict insult white people can be insulted by anyone IMHO

el pasco · 16-05-2014 12:55AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Well I'm sorry to hear that, BUt all Im saying is like if you had reported that I'd put money on it that the gards or whoever else wouldnt give two sharks

I'd agree with you there in England it's crazy the amount of abuse white people put up with from non white its ok to open make jokes about white people madness

hatrickpatrick · 16-05-2014 12:57AM

Absolutely despise "privilege" based arguments like those in the OP. Racism, sexism, etc are defined as prejudice / discrimination based on certain demographic attributes. That's it. The definition doesn't include "only against those in the minority".
If equality is truly what we desire (which I hope it is), then everyone should be treated the same way, and that includes having to follow the same rules. If one demographic doesn't have to follow a rule, no demographic does. If one demographic has a particular rule to follow, then all must follow it. If one rule applies only when actions are directed towards a particular demographic, it must apply when directed against every human.

Otherwise, you're simply creating new problems.

Manach · 16-05-2014 12:59AM

Well it is a reversion to historical names.It was only in the pass few centuries that for much of the world that North Europeans were not (I'd argue wrongly) held as pale and barbarian people. Truth is (from my reading of history), each group of people acts in some ways overtly/covertly in a prejudicial manner and only in the case of another greater competing intellectual paradigm (such as religion or ideology) that it can held in abeyance.

steveone · 16-05-2014 12:59AM

Yes-by calling them white.

Wishiwasa Littlebitaller · 16-05-2014 01:11AM

Yes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBhzJnJIilI

flanders1979 · 16-05-2014 01:11AM

An African chap tried to wind me up with some guff about the potato famine during a game of soccer. I found it amusing

Vito Corleone · 16-05-2014 01:17AM

So many stupid cracka' boys in this thread. What you birdshits gonna do about it?

bb1234567 · 16-05-2014 01:19AM

Vito Corleone wrote: »

So many stupid cracka' boys in this thread. What you birdshits gonna do about it?

NOthing to be done so it seems, sure white people have it grand dont we who cares if people insult them theyre white!

wendell borton · 16-05-2014 01:21AM

The nation of Islam have some very weird ideas about white people.

longhalloween · 16-05-2014 01:22AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

NOthing to be done so it seems, sure white people have it grand dont we who cares if people insult them theyre white!

kikidelvin · 16-05-2014 01:25AM

At the moment I am trying to bring a racist case against a chap from Kerry,for telling nasty jokes about Dubliners,

ardle1 · 16-05-2014 01:28AM

Remember all de sh!t went down in Mississippi! Yeah well that's why them der dudes can cry the racist card how and whenever they feel like it, loads of bad sh!t went down, all orchestrated by white lynch mobs innit:cool:

16-05-2014 01:29AM

bb1234567 wrote: »

Can you actually be racist towards white people?

Of course.

The moment you judge ANYONE as being anything other than the individual they are - then you are being something-ist.

Now I am not saying WHAT that is - or making any value judgement positive or negative about it -

- it is natural to our species. You view a person and you instantly classify them. It might be white. Black. Male. Female. Religious. Atheist. Loud. Quiete. Vocal. something.

But the potential for an -ism is ALWAYS there. Even Racism.

We are not a good species for treating individuals as the individuals they actually are. The most of us are "-ist" about most judgements we make about people. We simply naturally need to classify people. And judgements always follow from that classification almost by default.

So can we be "ANYTHING-ist" towards anyone? Yes. Anyone can. Anytime.

GerB40 · 16-05-2014 01:30AM

Shur I wouldn't know, I'm from Donegal..

longhalloween · 16-05-2014 01:32AM

ardle1 wrote: »

Remember all de sh!t went down in Mississippi! Yeah well that's why them der dudes can cry the racist card how and whenever they feel like it, loads of bad sh!t went down, all orchestrated by white lynch mobs innit:cool:

Well hold on now. It wasn't just black people who were sold as slaves.

Plenty of Irish were slaves as well, and treated worse due to Catholicism. We've no white guilt when it comes to racism, same as Africans have little claim to the moral high ground due to American slavery.

kikidelvin · 16-05-2014 01:42AM

Slavery was started by some of the African tribes ,they found it a nice little earner.

RDM_83 again · 16-05-2014 01:55AM

kikidelvin wrote: »

Slavery was started by some of the African tribes ,they found it a nice little earner.

Slavery was an Irish institution in earlier times, I always find it ironic when people talk about the egalitarian early irish society which at the same time had a defined unit rate of exchange of 3 cows for 1 female body slave.

Also AFAIK slav comes from slave as they could be traded since they weren't christian

ardle1 · 16-05-2014 02:04AM

longhalloween wrote: »

Well hold on now. It wasn't just black people who were sold as slaves.

Plenty of Irish were slaves as well, and treated worse due to Catholicism. We've no white guilt when it comes to racism, same as Africans have little claim to the moral high ground due to American slavery.

I didn't know about the Irish slave trade, that's bad sh!t man, so dems is racist too innit! Funk dat sh!t am hurtin dude innit:cool:

WilyCoyote · 16-05-2014 02:08AM

flanders1979 wrote: »

An African chap tried to wind me up with some guff about the potato famine during a game of soccer. I found it amusing

You should have twisted his mangoes - Vinny Jones' style:

http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/Paul-Gascoigne-Football_71255.jpg

Olive8585 · 16-05-2014 02:14AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Absolutely despise "privilege" based arguments like those in the OP. Racism, sexism, etc are defined as prejudice / discrimination based on certain demographic attributes. That's it. The definition doesn't include "only against those in the minority".
If equality is truly what we desire (which I hope it is), then everyone should be treated the same way, and that includes having to follow the same rules. If one demographic doesn't have to follow a rule, no demographic does. If one demographic has a particular rule to follow, then all must follow it. If one rule applies only when actions are directed towards a particular demographic, it must apply when directed against every human.

Otherwise, you're simply creating new problems.

Yeah, it's not that simple though, is it?

A black guy in Ireland calls me a cracker or a honky - yeah, not that nice, but it's not going to cut deep, is it? I'm in the majority in Ireland. I didn't grow up being treated differently because of my skin colour or feeling like I didn't fit in because of how I looked...being called a honky is really not that different to being called en eejit or a b1tch, it's just another insult.

If I call a black guy who grew up in ireland the N word, there is a lot more attached to it and it has a greater capacity to hurt, imo.

RGDATA! · 16-05-2014 02:22AM

biko wrote: »

Anything seems to be racism these so sure.

Are you resentful that some of your views are considered racist or something? Or are you just shaking a fist at 'political correctness gone mad'?

Davidius · 16-05-2014 02:35AM

Of course you can be racist/discriminatory toward white people. You'd be foolish to think otherwise.

Can you actually be racist towards white people?

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