Subway going Halal after pressure from Muslim groups.

Cantona's Collars

185 Subway stores across the UK & Ireland are to go Halal due to pressure from Muslim groups.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616576/Subway-removes-ham-pork-nearly-200-stores-strong-demand-Muslims-eat-Halal-meat.html

I find it strange how one groups religious beliefs can affect so many as industries and societies pander to them while we proclaim to be a progressive society.

Look at Good Friday here and the calls for doing away with the law on closing pubs as it's seen as outdated yet outlets can't serve the meat they want due to another religion saying so.

The One Doctor

zerks wrote: »

185 Subway stores across the UK & Ireland are to go Halal due to pressure from Muslim groups.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616576/Subway-removes-ham-pork-nearly-200-stores-strong-demand-Muslims-eat-Halal-meat.html

I find it strange how one groups religious beliefs can affect so many as industries and societies pander to them while we proclaim to be a progressive society.

Look at Good Friday here and the calls for doing away with the law on closing pubs as it's seen as outdated yet outlets can't serve the meat they want due to another religion saying so.

Another poster who believes the Daily Mail. Bless your trusting little heart, OP.

I Heart Internet

There's a big push for their "smoked back bacon" on Today FM at the moment. So it obviously isn't affecting Irish Subways.

Companies will react to demand. If enough people went vegetarian and didn't want meat products sold in their stops, and it made commercial sense, then they'ed turn "VegWay" in the morning.

Cantona's Collars

The One Doctor wrote: »

Another poster who believes the Daily Mail. Bless your trusting little heart, OP.

Didn't take long for that,so Subway aren't going Halal??

Where in my post did I say that I believe the Mail? They just reported the story.I posted the link here to invite discussion.

Sure why not enforce Ireland's Catholic beliefs and make them serve fish only on Fridays.

http://www.zabihah.com/cd.php?id=6

Collie D

zerks wrote: »

185 Subway stores across the UK & Ireland are to go Halal due to pressure from Muslim groups.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2616576/Subway-removes-ham-pork-nearly-200-stores-strong-demand-Muslims-eat-Halal-meat.html

I find it strange how one groups religious beliefs can affect so many as industries and societies pander to them while we proclaim to be a progressive society.

Look at Good Friday here and the calls for doing away with the law on closing pubs as it's seen as outdated yet outlets can't serve the meat they want due to another religion saying so.

You can call it pandering or you could call it Subway seeing a market.

Theta

You would be surprised how much of the meat you eat is Halal. We just dont give a toss if it is or isnt thats all.

conorhal

It's merely a cynical corporatist decision to ensure they can market to a growing segment of the population. Halal butchery is (and I say this as a meat eater) barbaric, and Subway would very quickly change their mind if more people asked 'is this meat halal or not?' and then said, 'actually no thanks, I wouldn't eat that if you paid me' if it was.

flutered

minority groups seem to target issues close to their beliefs, the gay ccommunity are pretty sucessful particulary in the states, the st patricks daay parade in new york, then the head honcho of mozilla had to go, even ass the chargee agaainst him were slanted, is not one of the muslim beliefs is to conquer the world.

TimeToShine

You know the Daily Mail is a paper for idiots when they have to summarize every article using bullet points at the top of each page. Load of rubbish.

whisky_galore

conorhal wrote: »

Halal butchery is (and I say this as a meat eater) barbaric.

Yeah like they have soothing mood-music so cattle can slip gently into the good night in Larry Goodman's factories.

OldNotWIse

Well, never buying there again. Let the Muslims keep them in business if they mean that much to them.

stargazer 68

Saw this story on Facebook earlier through friends living in the Middle East. Bascially their point is they can go and buy bacon in the supermarkets and go home and cook it yet UK is trying to be pc for the want of a better phrase.

jayobray

'...outlets can't serve the meat they want due to another religion saying so.'

Yes they can, but they've chosen otherwise. Anyway, according tho their website, the only Subway in Ireland that is offering Halal seems to the one on Shelbourne Road

Cantona's Collars

whisky_galore wrote: »

Yeah like they have soothing mood-music so cattle can slip gently into the good night in Larry Goodman's factories.

What would they (Subway) do if people boycotted them due to animal cruelty.

Halal is cruel but of course we aren't allowed to criticise their belief system as we are then seen as the bad guys.

drunkmonkey

They should call it Muslimway. Let them at it I say, all the better for supermacs quest for world domination. Bacon & Cheese fries anyone?

chrismon

So if this goes ahead we can't have a BMT?
Would this affect Italian cured meats?

mikemac1

Is there anything particular about Shelbourne Rd in Dublin? Is there a Muslim community nearby?

I don't know the area, just wondering

Collie D

zerks wrote: »

What would they (Subway) do if people boycotted them due to animal cruelty.

Halal is cruel but of course we aren't allowed to criticise their belief system as we are then seen as the bad guys.

You're allowed to shop where you want. You;re allowed to criticise halal butchery if you feel its inhumane. But only if that's what your true issue with this is.

zerks

zerks wrote: »

I find it strange how one groups religious beliefs can affect so many as industries and societies pander to them while we proclaim to be a progressive society.

If you live in Ireland and have been privvy to the CC's influence on so many aspects of Irish society, you've already seen how much a religious organisation will be pandered to.

It's a few shops catering for their customers, not a big deal.

SEPT 23 1989

I presume the favour will be returned in muslim countries concerning pork products

Collie D

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I presume the favour will be returned in muslim countries concerning pork products

Why? This is a company making a business decision aimed at a target audience as is their right. It's not being forced upon them by some mad mullah

wyndham

It's disgusting mechanically recovered sh1t power hosed off animal carcasses anyway. What makes it Halal? Do they get the Imam to say a few prayers over the buckets of chicken paste in the factory?

sillyoulfool

zerks wrote: »

Sure why not enforce Ireland's Catholic beliefs and make them serve fish only on Fridays.

http://www.zabihah.com/cd.php?id=6

Because
1. They are not being "forced".
2. I have no idea where you got the Idea that Ireland holds Catholic beliefs, but in any event there is no requirement that Catholics abstain from meat on a Friday.

wyndham

wyndham wrote: »

It's disgusting mechanically recovered sh1t power hosed off animal carcasses anyway. What makes it Halal? Do they get the Imam to say a few prayers over the buckets of chicken paste in the factory?

Well since it only applies to some of the meats I would imagine they'll be changing their supply chain for those specific meats.

Cantona's Collars

Collie D wrote: »

You're allowed to shop where you want. You;re allowed to criticise halal butchery if you feel its inhumane. But only if that's what your true issue with this is.

I was playing Devil's advocate with that post by asking how far would the influence of for want of a better term 'lobby groups' reach in society.

We are already seeing what's happening in schools in parts of England,I hate the insidiousness of the Islamification of society.Brunei are introducing Sharia law tomorrow http://gulfnews.com/news/world/other-world/brunei-sultan-pushes-ahead-with-tough-sharia-code-1.1326334 A well educated population to be subject to archaic,barbaric rules.There are sections of Muslims who given half the chance would do this worldwide.The UK seem to be falling over backwards to accomodate some of these beliefs in a wave of PC nonsense for fear of offending somebody.

You might ask what has this to do with a shop selling rolls,but this is a microcosm of what's happening lately as we see bit by bit the traditional values being undermined & at times replaced by other influences which many see as arcane.

kneemos

wyndham wrote: »

It's disgusting mechanically recovered sh1t power hosed off animal carcasses anyway. What makes it Halal? Do they get the Imam to say a few prayers over the buckets of chicken paste in the factory?

The animals are awake when their throats are cut as opposed to stunned otherwise.

Cantona's Collars

sillyoulfool wrote: »

Because

2. I have no idea where you got the Idea that Ireland holds Catholic beliefs, but in any event there is no requirement that Catholics abstain from meat on a Friday.

I was using the term "Catholic Ireland",it's been used to describe us for longer than you or I have been around.You know exactly what I meant in that post so stop trying to twist it.

MonstaMash

In Surah 5:5 of the Qurʼan, it is written: "The food of the People of the Book (Jews & Christians) is lawful for you as your food is lawful for them."

So, what's the problem?

lertsnim

Subway Eat ****. Grand spot if you want high salt levels

Jonny7

MonstaMash wrote: »

In Surah 5:5 of the Qurʼan, it is written: "The food of the People of the Book (Jews & Christians) is lawful for you as your food is lawful for them."

So, what's the problem?

We're talking about an ancient book written about magic and invisible wizards dictating modern fast food decisions in the 21st century

Somehow I doubt reason is going to come into the equation

padd b1975

As long as they don't cut back on the number of meatballs in a footlong, all's good with me.

Amalgam

wyndham wrote: »

It's disgusting mechanically recovered sh1t power hosed off animal carcasses anyway. What makes it Halal? Do they get the Imam to say a few prayers over the buckets of chicken paste in the factory?

You might be saying that mockingly, but I think, because of physical volumes to deal with, that it is typically a very short prayer, verbal, or sometimes, engraved on an 'apparatus' (knife or other, not sure) used..

Sunglasses Ron

The One Doctor wrote: »

Another poster who believes the Daily Mail. Bless your trusting little heart, OP.

Do you, or the usual suspects who thanked this s'hite, have evidence that this is a made up story?

conorhal

Collie D wrote: »

Why? This is a company making a business decision aimed at a target audience as is their right. It's not being forced upon them by some mad mullah

Then why ban pork products from the outlets? They can have their halal meatballs if they wish but nobody's forcing them to eat bacon. So why remove bacon from the menu altogether?

What nobody want's to discuss is that this move is an indicator of the massive level of immigration from muslim countries, it's ghetoization into certian areas and the inability to integrate into their host society that's resulting in the islamification rather then the multiculturalization of those areas. Which is a problem, Subway being the canary in the mine.

MonstaMash

Jonny7 wrote: »

We're talking about an ancient book written about magic and invisible wizards dictating modern fast food decisions in the 21st century

Somehow I doubt reason is going to come into the equation

The market dictates the decisions a business makes regardless of what century it is & if a substantial number of there customer base is Muslim, then it would make sense to target their buying power.

I doubt Subway as a business are going to drop all pork products from their menus, more than likely it will be separate prep areas according to choice...halal or harram.

Jester252

This is only going to effect 12.5% of stores in the British Isles and makes good business sense, nothing is stopping non Muslim people from eating Halal meat. They get to expend their market and get good P.R for being multicultural

force eleven

Jester252 wrote: »

This is only going to effect 12.5% of stores in the British Isles and makes good business sense, nothing is stopping non Muslim people from eating Halal meat. They get to expend their market and get good P.R for being multicultural

It sets precedents. Next, Christmas decorations banned from the High Street.

brummytom

Loads of fast food places over here are halal.. I know at least KFC and Nandos are. Doesn't bother me in the slightest, I've just had a KFC.

Muslims make up a huge proportion of customers, it makes good business sense.

Collie D

conorhal wrote: »

Then why ban pork products from the outlets? They can have their halal meatballs if they wish but nobody's forcing them to eat bacon. So why remove bacon from the menu altogether?

What nobody want's to discuss is that this move is an indicator of the massive level of immigration from muslim countries, it's ghetoization into certian areas and the inability to integrate into their host society that's resulting in the islamification rather then the multiculturalization of those areas. Which is a problem, Subway being the canary in the mine.

Who knows? But it's Subway's decision. I can't stand turkey ham or turkey rashers or whatever they're called so I won't be going to these places anytime soon. I assume Subway have weighed this up and decided that the extra customers will outweighh the customers like me. I don't eat in all-vegetarian restaurants or buy Quorn burgers for the same reason.

Even the article says that there was "strong demand" which in this thread has been twisted to "pressure from Muslim groups"

28064212

conorhal wrote: »

Then why ban pork products from the outlets? They can have their halal meatballs if they wish but nobody's forcing them to eat bacon. So why remove bacon from the menu altogether?

EDIT: nm, they are

Jester252

force eleven wrote: »

It sets precedents. Next, Christmas decorations banned from the High Street.

I hope you're joking, if not learn the difference between a public space and a private company

Jester252

Jester252 wrote: »

This is only going to effect 12.5% of stores in the British Isles and makes good business sense, nothing is stopping non Muslim people from eating Halal meat. They get to expend their market and get good P.R for being multicultural

I would suggest that the reasons I've come across for not wanting to eat Halal meat should be more heavily weighted than those for eating Halal meat, i.e., animal cruelty vs a magic book.

Collie D

force eleven wrote: »

It sets precedents. Next, Christmas decorations banned from the High Street.

Ah, that old chestnut. Any examples of this that are quoted are usually the result of some idiots on a town council rather than pressure from non-Christian groups.

Cantona's Collars

force eleven wrote: »

It sets precedents. Next, Christmas decorations banned from the High Street.

Has happened,the most vocal opposition to the lack of decorations were Muslims.They thought it was insane.

jimgoose

"The food of the People of the Book is lawful for you as your food is lawful for them." :cool:

No harm. We used to kill a couple of pigs in the old days, old-school - blade to the jugular. You never ate the likes of it. The Cheeses EU did away with that right enough. :mad:

TrickyMickey1

Shouldn't been given into this pressure let them eat somewhere else.

Gatling

zerks wrote: »

Has happened,the most vocal opposition to the lack of decorations were Muslims.They thought it was insane.

Ask why the nativity display at Christmas in O'Connell street, has been moved several times apparently due to complaints

Foxhound38

Will it effect the taste?

No?

Then who cares?

Graces7

zerks wrote: »

Didn't take long for that,so Subway aren't going Halal??

Where in my post did I say that I believe the Mail? They just reported the story.I posted the link here to invite discussion.

Sure why not enforce Ireland's Catholic beliefs and make them serve fish only on Fridays.

http://www.zabihah.com/cd.php?id=6

abstaining from fleshmeat on fridays has not been a tenet of catholicism for many years...

Collie D

Gatling wrote: »

Ask why the nativity display at Christmas in O'Connell street, has been moved several times apparently due to complaints

Proof? It's always been near the tree as far as I remember although I haven't really taken too much notice. Location of tree has moved because of the Spire obviously

Jester252

Deleted User wrote: »

I would suggest that the reasons I've come across for not wanting to eat Halal meat should be more heavily weighted than those for eating Halal meat, i.e., animal cruelty vs a magic book.

Dhabihah is very kind to the animal, the butcher makes a swift deep cut along the neck causing a quick death, compared with western methods it quite similar it the way the animal is killed.

The only way that animal cruelty can be used as a reason against Halal meat is if you're against the killing of animals for human consumption, in which case I suggest you start a pressure group to get Subway to convert 12.5% of its stores to vegetarian only stores.

But that will never happen as unlike the Halal meats, that decision is closing off a market instead of opening a market.