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New Building Control Regs

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    #122
    4Sticks
    Registered Users Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭4Sticks


    Architectural Technologists- Building Control Act 2007 in breach of EU Law

    source

    The BCA 2007 is what "feeds into" SI 9 2014 with respect to who may / may not be deemed acceptable to act as assigned designer and/or assigned certifier under SI 9 2014.

    Good news for Architectural Technicians and good news for consumers , in time and hopefully not too much time.

    So onwards and upwards now to self builders - keep up the good fight for common sense and justice.


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    #123
    mandy gall
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭mandy gall


    4Sticks wrote: »
    source

    The BCA 2007 is what "feeds into" SI 9 2014 with respect to who may / may not be deemed acceptable to act as assigned designer and/or assigned certifier under SI 9 2014.

    Good news for Architectural Technicians and good news for consumers , in time and hopefully not too much time.

    So onwards and upwards now to self builders - keep up the good fight for common sense and justice.

    Hooray!! Im just sharpening my sword here....:rolleyes:


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    #124
    4Sticks
    Registered Users Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭4Sticks


    mandy gall wrote: »
    Hooray!! Im just sharpening my sword here....:rolleyes:

    I pity the fool....:D

    You pen is deadlier Mandy.


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    #125
    4Sticks
    Registered Users Posts: 1,155 ✭✭✭4Sticks


    WARNING !
    If you commence works or a change of use of a building in the absence of a Valid Commencement Notice, there
    is no provision to retrospectively submit a Commencement Notice.
    This may affect your ability to ever occupy, lease or sell your building.

    source


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    #126
    miss no stars
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    4Sticks wrote: »
    source

    Yeah, any local authority we've talked to said they cannot and will not issue commencement notices retrospectively and the only legal fix is to pull it down, put it back to how it was before the work, then lodge the commencement notice and do the work again.

    We'll see. I bet that'll be tested in court.


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    #127
    4Sticks
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    miss no stars wrote: »
    We'll see. I bet that'll be tested in court.

    After you :)


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    #128
    miss no stars
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    4Sticks wrote: »
    After you :)

    I have no desire to! But someone will get caught with their trousers down while trying to sell their house and will have the funds to challenge it, especially if it was otherwise built in full compliance.


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    #129
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    4Sticks wrote: »
    After you :)
    miss no stars wrote: »
    I have no desire to! But someone will get caught with their trousers down while trying to sell their house and will have the funds to challenge it, especially if it was otherwise built in full compliance.

    I'm involved in something at the moment. Will see how it plans out.
    Works have commenced after 1st March without a CN........... We are in unmapped land now.


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    #130
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,021 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    http://bregsforum.wordpress.com/2014/06/19/commencement-notices-building-register-17th-june-2014/


    commencement notices from 1st march (to 16 june as far as i can tell) appear to be running at approx 33% of that from this time last year.
    Also approx 40% of commencement notices in that time are for projects NOT applicable to BC(A)R.


    we are starting to see conclusive proof that BC(A)R is an obstacle to the construction industry reigniting.


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    #131
    mandy gall
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭mandy gall


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    http://bregsforum.wordpress.com/2014/06/19/commencement-notices-building-register-17th-june-2014/


    commencement notices from 1st march (to 16 june as far as i can tell) appear to be running at approx 33% of that from this time last year.
    Also approx 40% of commencement notices in that time are for projects NOT applicable to BC(A)R.


    we are starting to see conclusive proof that BC(A)R is an obstacle to the construction industry reigniting.

    Very true...

    We were granted Planning Permission yesterday...does anyone know an Assigned Certifier who will work with self builders for €1,000 to 3,000? - preferably € 1,000 :)


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    #132
    miss no stars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭miss no stars


    It would help if you gave your approximate location...


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    #133
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,021 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    miss no stars wrote: »
    It would help if you gave your approximate location...

    i think mandy is being sarcastic there.... her struggle with these new regs is well documented ;)


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    #134
    miss no stars
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    Yeah but her ask isn't impossible, so unless she's planning on not going ahead simply for the sake of making a facetious point when there are people willing to work with self-builders.... I took her question to be serious.


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    #135
    sydthebeat
    Subscribers Posts: 41,021 ✭✭✭✭sydthebeat


    miss no stars wrote: »
    Yeah but her ask isn't impossible, so unless she's planning on not going ahead simply for the sake of making a facetious point when there are people willing to work with self-builders.... I took her question to be serious.

    well perhaps you should stop building that straw man and read her question again......


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    #136
    miss no stars
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    sydthebeat wrote: »
    well perhaps you should stop building that straw man and read her question again......

    "does anyone know an Assigned Certifier who will work with self builders for €1,000 to 3,000? - preferably € 1,000 "

    Yes, I do, but it depends on where in the country she is as to whether there's any point mentioning it.

    So where's that straw man you're talking about?


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    #137
    mandy gall
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭mandy gall


    Part sarcasm....part true... at a crossroads at the min... we are in Sligo... #SI9toSEA


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    #138
    miss no stars
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    mandy gall wrote: »
    Part sarcasm....part true... at a crossroads at the min... we are in Sligo... #SI9toSEA

    Afraid I can't help you so, you're a bit far away from Dublin...

    Best bet is just to ring up some engineering firms and ask if they're interested. I'd be surprised if you got no joy from it at all.


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    #139
    mandy gall
    Registered Users Posts: 115 ✭✭mandy gall


    Great to hear that..thank u


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    #140
    Drift
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭Drift


    kceire wrote: »
    I'm involved in something at the moment. Will see how it plans out.
    Works have commenced after 1st March without a CN........... We are in unmapped land now.

    Would love to hear how this turns out. Keep us up to date!!!


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    #141
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 38,464 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Drift wrote: »
    Would love to hear how this turns out. Keep us up to date!!!

    Will do my best, but for the moment its too sensitive for a public forum.


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    #142
    Drift
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,395 ✭✭✭Drift


    kceire wrote: »
    Will do my best, but for the moment its too sensitive for a public forum.

    Totally understand!!


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    #143
    miss no stars
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,957 ✭✭✭miss no stars


    <snip>

    Mod: individual cases aren't up for discussion. Forum is for general discussion about the regs only.


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    #144
    gooner99
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    Who is the best person to employ to provide the complete package needed to comply with the new building regs, prepare the commencement package, certify, sign off for mortgage, etc. An architect or an engineer of some sort. In Donegal, so any recommendations by pm are most welcome.


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    #145
    Wardey27
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Wardey27


    Hi all. Does anyone know an assigned certifier that will work with a self builder in limerick. Of course for a reasonable price.
    Thanks


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    #146
    BryanF
    Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 10,140 Mod ✭✭✭✭BryanF


    Wardey27 wrote: »
    Hi all. Does anyone know an assigned certifier that will work with a self builder in limerick. Of course for a reasonable price.
    Thanks
    Post here:
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056682402&page=17


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    #147
    Charlie-Bravo
    Registered Users Posts: 5,619 ✭✭✭Charlie-Bravo


    Just happened across this thread over the last year days - it is very insightful and a great help in understanding the new B.Control Regs to a greater degree.

    -. . ...- . .-. / --. --- -. -. .- / --. .. ...- . / -.-- --- ..- / ..- .--.



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    #148
    Hairy mellon
    Registered Users Posts: 209 ✭✭Hairy mellon


    good thread!


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    #149
    Will23
    Registered Users Posts: 265 ✭✭Will23


    it was put to me yesterday that electrical installation works do not form part of the Building Regulations A-M, therefore there is not requirement for certification for this under SI09.

    I've had a quick look and on the face of it this seems correct. i was wondering what others think?

    it also seems like a lot of mechanical works (outside of those covered by F, G, H and J) is also not covered.


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    #150
    Poor Uncle Tom
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    Will23 wrote: »
    it was put to me yesterday that electrical installation works do not form part of the Building Regulations A-M, therefore there is not requirement for certification for this under SI09.

    I've had a quick look and on the face of it this seems correct. i was wondering what others think?

    it also seems like a lot of mechanical works (outside of those covered by F, G, H and J) is also not covered.

    You may wish to read Part D Building Regulations.
    ...particularly the interpretation and section 1.1


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    #151
    sydthebeat
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    Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »
    You may wish to read Part D Building Regulations.
    ...particularly the interpretation and section 1.1

    Exactly.

    Basically, EVERY material and process in a build Is subject to building regulations.


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