Free alternative to Adverts.ie

The only good thing about adverts.ie was that it was free!! eBay and DoneDeal will be delighted at this "exciting" development.

pleasant Co.

Kenny Logins wrote: »

If it doesn't sell, you don't pay..

My post was concerning how it is more difficult to sell on adverts.ie, but ok...

Celeron Media

It really is ridiculous reading about user complaining and some even exhibiting bitch like behavior about making money and just paying a small sellers fee. That's basic online business. If your selling expensive goods, €1, €2 or €3 is only small change from your profits and also in price comparison to other reputable sites, there rates are still quite cheap.

condra

If it was a flat rate 50 cents to post an ad, I would gladly pay it, without a second thought, but the new system is going to cause headaches.

firestarter51

Easy way around this charge is to accept the offer
Complete the transaction
Cancel the offer and withdraw the advert
Just an idea

MilanPan!c

Celeron Media wrote: »

It really is ridiculous reading about user complaining and some even exhibiting bitch like behavior about making money and just paying a small sellers fee. That's basic online business. If your selling expensive goods, €1, €2 or €3 is only small change from your profits and also in price comparison to other reputable sites, there rates are still quite cheap.

If you set up a new site and made that the rules then maybe that's an ok attitude.

However.

People have been using adverts a certain way for literally years and this doesn't just cost a couple euros, it breaks the already dodgy functionality.

It is no longer suited for many peoples' needs and they will leave. I am one of them.

I have no problems with ads, but this new situation is just not gonna be feasible for me.

MilanPan!c

firestarter51 wrote: »

Easy way around this charge is to accept the offer
Complete the transaction
Cancel the offer and withdraw the advert
Just an idea

Do that a few times and expect to be banned Id imagine.

Finding a successful way to break the rules shouldn't really be the goal IMO.

Muahahaha

Celeron Media wrote: »

It really is ridiculous reading about user complaining and some even exhibiting bitch like behavior about making money and just paying a small sellers fee. That's basic online business. If your selling expensive goods, €1, €2 or €3 is only small change from your profits and also in price comparison to other reputable sites, there rates are still quite cheap.

I'm thinking g the same and I don't know what people are getting in a tizzy about. I reckon adverts is the best buying and selling site out there, it's got far more sellers and items on it than Donedeal and much more than ebay.ie too which often doesn't have a used version of what you're after from an Irish seller so you end up getting it from the uk anyway.

I don't think charging a €1 success fee for a sale of up to €100 is such a big deal. I can however see sellers asking the buyer not to say they bought the item and the seller just takes the ad down to avoid paying it.

And what I like most about adverts is the comments. I know there are people out there who spend all day low balling asking prices but if you're a seller you can either set a minimum offer price or else just ignore them, it's not that hard. I like it because often I've seen an item I want with an asking of say €100. I'm not willing to pay the €100 but would pay €60. However often in the past I was afraid to offer €60 as it might be taken as an insult. But usually someone else does and suddenly the seller says he'll take €70, at which point I'd be interested whereas his initial €100 asking price put me off even bidding. What the comments do is allow sellers and buyers to reach common ground in a manner that is transparent to all other potential buyers. Often I'm put off items on Donedeal because of their high asking prices, for all I know they might accept 40% off the asking but I'm not going to ring them up and offer it in the first place. At least adverts allows those kind of negotiations to take place. Ebay is crap for that too, they make it as hard as possible to contact a seller and then when you do sometimes you get no response to your questions. Ebay is full of sellers with a take it or leave it attitude, often they put up ads of items with virtually no info on the item, how old it is,condition, etc.

I'd take adverts over them all any day, I've got some real good bargains off it so far this year and have found buying from it far easier than the other two sites.

Sam Mac

I can see Adverts decreasing in popularity quite quickly if they keep this up.

Celeron Media

MilanPan!c wrote: »

If you set up a new site and made that the rules then maybe that's an ok attitude.

However.

People have been using adverts a certain way for literally years and this doesn't just cost a couple euros, it breaks the already dodgy functionality.

It is no longer suited for many peoples' needs and they will leave. I am one of them.

I have no problems with ads, but this new situation is just not gonna be feasible for me.

I've been using adverts for a few years and I've been paying to use adverts for those past few years. I know the type of users you a referring, there also known as "freebie grabbers" and they want everything for free on adverts.

MilanPan!c

Celeron Media wrote: »

I've been using adverts for a few years and I've been paying to use adverts for those past few years. I know the type of users you a referring, there also known as "freebie grabbers" and they want everything for free on adverts.

No.

I'm not.

Look at this ad:

Wampler Pinnacle Distortion boxed and new €150
EWS Subtle volume control Boxed (Scott Henderson) €50
Mojo Vibe (Boxed) €250
Suhr Koko Boost (Boxed) €200 *SOLD*
Whammy DT (brand new boxed) €200 *SOLD*
Joe Bonnamasa Wah Pedal €150 *SOLD*
Kingsley Minstrel €270
Keeley Fuzz Head €130
Eventide Mod Factor €260 *SOLD*
Eventide Time factor €260 *SOLD*
Weehbo Effeckte Plextortion (boxed) €200 *SOLD*
Keeley Java Boost €150
Xotic Effects AC + €150 *SOLD*
Boss Super Shifter €100
TC Electronic Nova Reverb €100
TC Electronic Nova Delay €100 *SOLD*
Wampler Triple Wreck €230
Bogner Ecstacy Blue €250 *SOLD*
Radial Vienna Bones Chorus €110
ZVEX Box Of Rock brand new boxed €180
Wampler SLO Distortion €220
Suhr Riot €140*SOLD*
Wampler Plexi Drive €160 *SOLD*
Keeley Blues Driver €105 *SOLD*
Suhr Shiba Drive €140 *SOLD*
Basic Audio Tri Ram Muff €170
Lovepedal Amp 11 boxed €120 *SOLD*
Lovepedal Les Lius boxed €120 *SOLD*
Malekko Plus Ultra 213 boxed €150
Rockett Pedals Allan Holdsworth Signature boxed €150
Tortuga Effects Sasquatch boxed MONSTER MONSTER FUZZ! €240
Black Arts Toneworks Fuzz Distortion boxed *SOLD*
Redwitch Empress Chorus boxed €180
Providence Stampede DT boxed €210
Walrus Audio Janus boxed €180 *SOLD*
Eric Johnson Signature Fuzz €160
BK Butler TUBE Driver €270

Nothing free going on there but that also a massive unfeasible pain in the arse under the new system.

Now someone like that has to manage 30+ ads, and pay 30+ fees, and if there's any hassle argue with Adverts over multiple "success" refunds.

It's not gonna work for a lot of people. And it misunderstands how many people use adverts.

Celeron Media

If your making thousands from using adverts at the cost of happy meal, whats your problem with it.

MilanPan!c

Celeron Media wrote: »

If your making thousands from using adverts at the cost of happy meal, whats your problem with it.

I've explained the problem.

In a case like that you've taken one task and turned it into 30+.

You made the process of haggling and setting prices more complex and forced sellers to chase Adverts for a virtual refund.

If you think that's the same experience as before well... I'm suspicious of your motives.

Oh and hey they're not making thousands, they're selling all of those at a loss.

So.

It's important to remember that sellers are NOT manufacturers.

Here's an example:

I bought a pedal for €60 on a whim.

24 hours later I decided to sell it. The highest bid I get is €40. I've already lost €20.

I now pay a fee to adverts and have lost even more money. The buyer decides to withdraw. Someone else places a bid for €40. Adverts takes another fee while I try and convince Adverts that the first buyer fell through.

Three has taken cash via my phone for the first fee, and I get back - at some point - a virtual refund from adverts.

Multiply that by multiple ads and it's just not worth it.

And not just to me.

Muahahaha

MilanPan!c wrote: »

No.

I'm not.

Look at this ad:




Nothing free going on there but that also a massive unfeasible pain in the arse under the new system.

Now someone like that has to manage 30+ ads, and pay 30+ fees, and if there's any hassle argue with Adverts over multiple "success" refunds.

It's not gonna work for a lot of people. And it misunderstands how many people use adverts.

That type of ad will probably migrate to gumtree but they don't have as much traffic as Donedeal/Adverts so it might be harder to sell all that gear.

But in any case if you have 20 items for sale all priced €150 then that's €3000 quids worth of stock so if you get it all sold is €150 really such a big trouble to the €2,850 lying in your pocket ?

If you sold that amount of goods on ebay you'd have to list and manage 30 ads and I'd be surprised if Donedeals T&Cs don't prohibit multiple listings in one ad, maybe they don't police it well right now but I doubt that will always be the case when they look at ways of increasing their revenue.

I think the buying/selling space is either populated by free sites that often have little traffic or else sites with lots of traffic and buyers but who charge a fee. Selling for free and expecting a quality experience are never likely to go hand in hand, the business model doesn't stack up because even if you have 500,000 views a day the banner ad revenue still won't meet the cost of running the site as Dav said earlier. These sites have to monetise their users, they will go out of business if they don't charge so,etching to sell an item. As it is you can still sell an item for under €30 for free, I'd prefer it be €50 but it's still not half bad.

MilanPan!c

Muahahaha wrote: »

That type of ad will probably migrate to gumtree but they don't have as much traffic as Donedeal/Adverts so it might be harder to sell all that gear.

But in any case if you have 20 items for sale all priced €150 then that's €3000 quids worth of stock so if you get it all sold is €150 really such a big trouble to the €2,850 lying in your pocket ?

If you sold that amount of goods on ebay you'd have to list and manage 30 ads and I'd be surprised if Donedeals T&Cs don't prohibit multiple listings in one ad, maybe they don't police it well right now but I doubt that will always be the case when they look at ways of increasing their revenue.

I think the buying/selling space is either populated by free sites that often have little traffic or else sites with lots of traffic and buyers but who charge a fee. Selling for free and expecting a quality experience are never likely to go hand in hand, the business model doesn't stack up because even if you have 500,000 views a day the banner ad revenue still won't meet the cost of running the site as Dav said earlier.

Many of these ads will move to the ad sights like guitarist Ireland on FB...

Like I said, Adverts is no longer fit for purpose and these users will leave... that's just the reality of it.

Muahahaha

MilanPan!c wrote: »

Many of these ads will move to the ad sights like guitarist Ireland on FB...

Like I said, Adverts is no longer fit for purpose and these users will leave... that's just the reality of it.

Yeah probably so for people who have 30+ items for sale all at once. it could be someone having a spring clean or they are emigrating and have lots of items for sale. I get what you're saying that it would be huge hassle to create 30 ads and I reckon those people will migrate to Facebook and Gumtree. But most people don't have 30+ items for sale all at once and if they do it's probably more likely that they added them in dribs and drabs rather than one whole lot. I'd say most sellers with used goods for sale on adverts have less than five adds on the go at anyone time and more likely one or two. Most sellers with 30+ ads are likely shops or people trading for a living, they would have to pay for a market stall or retail premises so why not adverts ?

MilanPan!c

Muahahaha wrote: »

Yeah probably so for people who have 30+ items for sale all at once. it could be someone having a spring clean or they are emigrating and have lots of items for sale. I get what you're saying that it would be huge hassle to create 30 ads and I reckon those people will migrate to Facebook and Gumtree. But most people don't have 30+ items for sale all at once and if they do it's probably more likely that they added them in dribs and drabs rather than one whole lot. I'd say most sellers with used goods for sale on adverts have less than five adds on the go at anyone time and more likely one or two. Most sellers with 30+ ads are likely shops or people trading for a living, they would have to pay for a market stall or retail premises so why not adverts ?

I see it frequently enough actually. It's not everyday, but... If enough people like that, and that includes me, move... That section of Adverts will die. And that's a big section for over €30 items.

Musicians trade and sell and resell endlessly. This is not gonna work for us.

Celeron Media

This is nothing new, it's deja vu. Every policy change on Adverts, Ebay, Amazon, DoneDeal etc... The threat of leaving and going the competitor is made every time without fail. It's just a little tantrum or protest to try force the site admin to revert the changes. Most of the users saying there leaving don't actually leave or if they do leave they come back sooner or later when they calm down. Either way new users will sign up every day to make money with adverts. a slice of that pie is to big to miss out on if your a seller in Ireland.

I assure you, this is not the end adverts or the end of a sales sections on their site.

fourtwozero

If you are selling more than a few items you are doing it for profit and therefore are a business, and any business should give some money to the enabler of its profit. If you are selling a couple of bits you wont mind paying a small commission.

MilanPan!c

fourtwozero wrote: »

If you are selling more than a few items you are doing it for profit and therefore are a business, and any business should give some money to the enabler of its profit. If you are selling a couple of bits you wont mind paying a small commission.

Well this is obviously nonsense.

Someone buys a guitar for 2k, loses their job and needs money, and sells it and a bunch of other gear for 1k. They lose hundreds of thousands, because they're desperate.

So there a business.

Celeron Media

Well this is obviously nonsense.

Someone buys a guitar for 2k, loses their job and needs money, and sells it and a bunch of other gear for 1k. They lose hundreds of thousands, because they're desperate.

So there a business.

The could just start the same business as you. Buying/getting trade-ins and Reselling musical equipment on adverts for profit. It worked for your business the past 3 years.

sponge bob no pants

For everyone of us that are p1ssed there will be 1,000 that don't care, the fcukers have more than enough users to survive the exodus that will now happen, was an easy site to use, damn it all.

MilanPan!c

Celeron Media wrote: »

The could just start the same business as you. Buying/getting trade-ins and Reselling musical equipment on adverts for profit. It worked for your business the past 3 years.

I don't have a business.

Are you daft?

So people that sell all their baby gear have started successful businesses??

I am now extremely suspicious of your behaviour.

asteroids over berlin

Celeron Media wrote: »

This is nothing new, it's deja vu. Every policy change on Adverts, Ebay, Amazon, DoneDeal etc... The threat of leaving and going the competitor is made every time without fail. It's just a little tantrum or protest to try force the site admin to revert the changes. Most of the users saying there leaving don't actually leave or if they do leave they come back sooner or later when they calm down. Either way new users will sign up every day to make money with adverts. a slice of that pie is to big to miss out on if your a seller in Ireland.

I assure you, this is not the end adverts or the end of a sales sections on their site.

donedeal works out cheaper now!! Adverts was created by the boardsies, back in the day, it was a community, this is my point!

Celeron Media

I don't have a business.

Are you daft?

So people that sell all their baby gear have started successful businesses??

I am now extremely suspicious of your behaviour.

So you regularly get in items from suppliers/private sellers and trad-ins to sell on adverts at a loss, for 3 years.
Your BS is slightly entertaining.

Privately selling your own children's items is not a business. But buying children's items and reselling at a higher price for profit is a business.

daRobot

I doubt I'll be using adverts anymore to be honest. There is a very low standard of buyer on the site, and that was tolerable while it was free, but to have to pay for that privilege? Forget it...

L1011

Donedeal at the same, or lower, price and refusing to answer texts on it = no time-wasting having to refuse offers of swapping three dirty duvets and a playstation for a car. Suspect that they've actually done us a service with this.

flutered

preloved uk and ireland, also the have realistic sellers, not dreamers.

it is not free, a fiver per year.

MilanPan!c

Celeron Media wrote: »

So you regularly get in items from suppliers/private sellers and trad-ins to sell on adverts at a loss, for 3 years.
Your BS is slightly entertaining.

Privately selling your own children's items is not a business. But buying children's items and reselling at a higher price for profit is a business.

I'm gonna go ahead and report you for trolling.

The thing is, your deliberately pretending to be clueless is so transparent as to be laughable.

Either that, or you are the least informed person I've met in ages.

If you literally don't get it, take your self off and figure it out.

If you can be bothered to figure it out, stop acting like you understand.

It's pathetic either way and most likely you're a troll.

Celeron Media

So your saying I am troll because I don't agree with miserable tightarse (you) who is having a tantrum because they refuse to open their wallet to pay small fee for a service they use to make money. I bet you regularly forget your wallet when comes to paying small bills.

My adverts is linked to my board's account. Very informed adverts member and I'm entitled post in the discussion even if I don't agree with you.