Limerick vets under threat from animal abuse gangs

goose2005

Meanwhile, a shetland pony was kicked to death by a gang of youths aged between 12 and 14 years of age on the Hyde Road at the weekend

This is the most horrifying thing. Even the worst people I knew at age 12-14 wouldn't have done anything like that. I can remember everyone being utterly disgusted at one guy who used a banger to blow up an already-dead cat.

Dan_Solo

It would be pretty simple to make a law banning horse ownership from anybody who doesn't have a farm or a few acres of land.
It would be next to impossible to get the Gardai to bother their h0le to enforce it though. They can't get to riots a few yards from Pearse Street station, so good luck in a Limerick suburb.

hmmm

A tiny minority are holding Limerick to ransom. Guards are barely to be seen - the people who do this to a horse will move on to doing it to a person if they are not held to account at this stage. What can we do when the politicians do nothing?

Galway K9

sup_dude wrote: »

Now that you mention it, it would be indeed

Id say if we made an anti pc assumption of the group that is referred to, wed be correct.

Dan_Solo

Galway K9 wrote: »

Id say if we made an anti pc assumption of the group that is referred to, wed be correct.

But but but what about that documentary that showed how they just totally love their hosses?

Foxhound38

Dan_Solo wrote: »

You're saying cops are refusing to do their jobs as some kind of protest over lenient sentencing?
No chance they're just incompetent and lazy?

No, I'm saying we're not equipping the gardai to do their jobs properly, or towards any meaningful effect when it comes to dealing with scum

Dan_Solo

Foxhound38 wrote: »

No, I'm saying we're not equipping the gardai to do their jobs properly, or towards any meaningful effect when it comes to dealing with scum

They have riot gear. They have paddy wagons. They have holding cells.
They're also not afraid of dishing it out when it's students or reclaim the streets hippies.
So, why do they appear to be so afraid of tackling this group of tough and violent people to the point where they routinely wait until the battles are over and they just pick up the leftovers?
Sort of answered myself there, eh...

Ave Sodalis

Dan_Solo wrote: »

It would be pretty simple to make a law banning horse ownership from anybody who doesn't have a farm or a few acres of land.

Which would actually not allow a huge proportion of responsible owners to have horses...

Snake

Dan_Solo wrote: »

They have riot gear. They have paddy wagons. They have holding cells.
They're also not afraid of dishing it out when it's students or reclaim the streets hippies.
So, why do they appear to be so afraid of tackling this group of tough and violent people to the point where they routinely wait until the battles are over and they just pick up the leftovers?
Sort of answered myself there, eh...

Sure I know a group of school age lads who were beat to **** over an empty bag of weed. But beat a horse to death and nothing happens. Bastards.

Dan_Solo

sup_dude wrote: »

Which would actually not allow a huge proportion of responsible owners to have horses...

Yes, but they have access, and I mean legal access, to land, right?

wendell borton

There were plenty of guards protecting the gas pipeline in mayo who had no problem showing aggression towards peaceful protestors.

Ave Sodalis

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Yes, but they have access, and I mean legal access, to land, right?

Nope, many people use a livery yard, where they pay others to stable their horses. The owners themselves have nothing to do with land or anything else. That's up to the yard owners.

Rabbo

Dan_Solo wrote: »

It would be pretty simple to make a law banning horse ownership from anybody who doesn't have a farm or a few acres of land.
It would be next to impossible to get the Gardai to bother their h0le to enforce it though. They can't get to riots a few yards from Pearse Street station, so good luck in a Limerick suburb.

Theres already reasonable legislation in place for the control of horses including restrictions in urban areas and requirement for a licence for each horse - http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/environment/animal_welfare_and_control/control_of_horses.html

Of course, these laws aren't observed by the usual suspects and there seems to be little appetite to enforce them properly.

Dan_Solo

sup_dude wrote: »

Nope, many people use a livery yard, where they pay others to stable their horses. The owners themselves have nothing to do with land or anything else. That's up to the yard owners.

I know we all strive for accuracy but you're fairly determined to split hairs here aren't you?

Ave Sodalis

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I know we all strive for accuracy but you're fairly determined to split hairs here aren't you?

Um, no?
A large amount of people don't have access to land or a farm so they pay someone else who does to keep their horses. The horse owners don't have rights or access to the land themselves... I don't see how this is splitting hairs.

mickydoomsux

Rabbo wrote: »

Of course, these laws aren't observed by the usual suspects and there seems to be little appetite to enforce them properly.

Because nothing will happen when it goes to court because of our delusion, out-of-touch judges and legal system.

"I'm very sorry sur, i won't do it again sur" says the scummy young lad in his best court get up.

"Throw a few quid in the court poor box and off you go" says the judge.

Fast forward to the fella stabbing someone or beating someone into a coma a couple of years later.

And on and on........

end of the road

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

No fear you will hear Martin Collins on the radio when things like this happen.

yeah, because Martin Collins really condones this sort of thing, grow up.
so what if he comes on radio, if people used acts of verminry like this as a stick to beat the scum that did this with, rather then use it as a stick to beat all the traveling community with along with every other thing that isn't unique to the traveling community, then Martin Collins wouldn't have to come on the radio

end of the road

Rabbo wrote: »

They have a vocal lobbying group to represent their interests of course however the same group don't seem to be interested in dealing with the considerable negative effect they have on the rest of society.

wrong, pavee point do work behind the sceenes, they have said that themselves, and i've never heard anyone from that group on radio condoning any bad behaviour or excusing it, however if your looking for them to say how all travelers are scum and criminals you can forget about it, its not going to happen and rightly so, leave that nonsense to the gutter rags

Cantremember

losthorizon wrote: »

I dont know... scumbags

Seriously these guys should be ....






prosecuted.

Do you think they give a ****?

RoyalMarine

We have a military. Why can't they be used against gangs to ensure civil peace is kept?

A few hundred soldiers armed with steyr's would act as a major deterrence in places like this.

suicide_circus

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Are the Gardai consciously just doing the bare minimum since the wage cuts etc?

I was thinking something similar myself. I know they have suffered funding cuts but not to the extent that they are unable to attend an incident 150 yards from one of the major stations in the capital in less than 20mins.

SEPT 23 1989

suicide_circus wrote: »

I was thinking something similar myself. I know they have suffered funding cuts but not to the extent that they are unable to attend an incident 150 yards from one of the major stations in the capital in less than 20mins.

we are entering very dangerous waters if this is the case

end of the road

end of the road wrote: »

yeah, because Martin Collins really condones this sort of thing, grow up.
so what if he comes on radio, if people used acts of verminry like this as a stick to beat the scum that did this with, rather then use it as a stick to beat all the traveling community with along with every other thing that isn't unique to the traveling community, then Martin Collins wouldn't have to come on the radio

It's about ****ing time that the mother's of these scum use that stick and beat their sons to the Garda station with it. Otherwise, they're scum too.

Sickening behaviour against those animals and it's a story I have read too many times over the last few years.

Rabbo

end of the road wrote: »

wrong, pavee point do work behind the sceenes, they have said that themselves, and i've never heard anyone from that group on radio condoning any bad behaviour or excusing it, however if your looking for them to say how all travelers are scum and criminals you can forget about it, its not going to happen and rightly so, leave that nonsense to the gutter rags

I never suggested that all travellers are scum. However, it cant be denied that travellers are responsible for a disproportionate amount of crime in this country.

end of the road

Rabbo wrote: »

I never suggested that all travellers are scum.

i know you didn't, and i didn't say you did, i just said that if one is expecting pavee point to say as such that it isn't going to happen

Dan_Solo

sup_dude wrote: »

Um, no?
A large amount of people don't have access to land or a farm so they pay someone else who does to keep their horses. The horse owners don't have rights or access to the land themselves... I don't see how this is splitting hairs.

Most people who own horses pay for them to be kept at stables that have access to land.
Unless you think the people who kick horses to death are availing of these sorts of services I really don't see the relevance.

Dan_Solo

end of the road wrote: »

wrong, pavee point do work behind the sceenes, they have said that themselves, and i've never heard anyone from that group on radio condoning any bad behaviour or excusing it,

Or condemning it.
Funny that.

thomur

suicide_circus wrote: »

I was thinking something similar myself. I know they have suffered funding cuts but not to the extent that they are unable to attend an incident 150 yards from one of the major stations in the capital in less than 20mins.

Used to think the same myself. Had a visit from the community guard last week. He was telling me 12 guards on duty. 3 were sent on prisoner escort, 2 on bank duty, leaving only half in the station for one of the biggest districts on duty

Ave Sodalis

Dan_Solo wrote: »

Most people who own horses pay for them to be kept at stables that have access to land.
Unless you think the people who kick horses to death are availing of these sorts of services I really don't see the relevance.

Now I am nit-picking but some don't have access to land, even at that.
The relevance is that having a law that disallows horse ownership unless they have land or a farm will affect more genuine horse owners than bad ones unless you have a load of loopholes, in which the bad owners can exploit. It's not gonna make a slight bit of difference to the traveling community whether or not these laws exist.

Lou.m

Foxhound38 wrote: »

Just saw this story here and it really got to me. It was from a few days ago so apologies if it's already been covered.

What the hell is the matter with these people? Why threaten a vet trying to help a dying animal? What could they possibly be getting out of doing this?

It makes no sense to me... :mad:

People who abuse animals are sociopaths. Psychos who are mentally ill.

Some humans as sad as it is enjoy seeing pain in other people or animals.

They get a huge deep kick out of it.

I volunteer at the DSPCA one sometimes twice a week.

I have seen horses that people used barbed wire for a bit on. Their mouths totally cut up.

I have seen a cat that someone used a stud gun ( used for putting studs in leather furniture) to punch a metal stud in it's lower jaw.

The worst story I have ever come across was a farmer who shot a few of his dogs in the face. And then never finished them off he left them in his shed and to wander the village after shooting them in the face. The dogs were wandering around with half their face off.

The reason they threaten someone trying to help is because it is spoiling their depraved fun. They are bitter about another creature showing kindness. They cannot stand it.



There is no reasoning with them. They are nut jobs. And they enjoy their work.

I would never be even an acquaintance of someone who showed apathy towards animal abuse.

The threat to a human is more serious ...but it is not surprising if you allow people to brutalize animals they start to exhibit these traits towards people. They think they can intimidate any one, you name it guards , vets etc. They have no respect for authority. The respect for law in this country amongst a certain class of scum is non existent.

The guards have not met the rise in brutality with equal sternness. They are outnumbered and out armed and not served well by the law. The guards are not empowered or respected.

Criminals know (especially with animals abuse) nothing will happen. It is why we are the puppy farm factory of Europe. We have a huge problem with dog fighting it's awful. They use little dogs as bait.

People think animals rights is hippy vegans on a trip. They don't realize how prevalent and bad it is in this country compared to others. We are much worse in comparison to the UK for instance.

Sorry to go on.

But I love animals. And I despise these people. If I see someone abusing a dog or a horse I WILL give them a piece of my mind and I wear their contempt as a badge of honor.