Punchestown 2014 tips/talk/gossip

The Red Lad

Said id start a new thread for this exciting up and coming festival few cracking races anyone hear of any outsiders or any bankers yet

hawaii501

Hidden Cyclone to finally get a win

boysinblack

The fly to beat Jezki...

skippymac6

The Fly to beat Jezki but only if it gets a bit softer. Good ground and I'd be on Jezki probably.

wicklowwonder

Ruby said tonight on Second Captains he plans on racing at the festival and not just to make up the numbers. Riding out this weekend in preparation. That is an unreal recovery.

kksaints

wicklowwonder wrote: »

Ruby said tonight on Second Captains he plans on racing at the festival and not just to make up the numbers. Riding out this weekend in preparation. That is an unreal recovery.

It is although he will have a good few weeks after Punchestown to recuperate because the flat season is taking over.

Mountainlad

Will Un De Sceaux run in the Champion Hurdle?

rossom

Mountainlad wrote: »

Will Un De Sceaux run in the Champion Hurdle?

Wouldn't have thought so. I think they'll try get Hurricane Fly his 20th Grade 1 success and then retire him.

Backstreet Moyes

rossom wrote: »

Wouldn't have thought so. I think they'll try get Hurricane Fly his 20th Grade 1 success and then retire him.

Could they not run both. Un De Sceaux has run in either small fields with no challenge or over a distance that didn't suit in France. Surely the owners will demand he runs to find out how good he is. I would be losing patience at this stage if i owned him.

Harry Angstrom

Hard to get excited about Punchestown. Holding Ireland's foremost National Hunt Festival at the end of April/beginning of May is about as sensible as Ascot having a Champions' Flat meeting on heavy ground in the middle of October......

ste2010

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Hard to get excited about Punchestown. Holding Ireland's foremost National Hunt Festival at the end of April/beginning of May is about as sensible as Ascot having a Champions' Flat meeting on heavy ground in the middle of October......

It's a double edged sword really.. They want big players..they can't clash with aintree or Cheltenham..they can't have a big festival in February given proximity to Cheltenham and leopardstown..only other option would probably be November..chances the best horses being fully wound up for November is small..really difficult to find another time to run them. Personally I really like the festival, and if some UK trainers were a bit smarter they would run their Cheltenham horses here instead of aintree given how flat some horses run there and how much it suits certain horses

jimjamcos

Un de Sceaux confirmed for France on Saturday instead of Punchestown. Hong Kong next eh Willie! :rolleyes:

bellybuster12

jimjamcos wrote: »

Un de Sceaux confirmed for France on Saturday instead of Punchestown. Hong Kong next eh Willie! :rolleyes:

What distance is that race?


EDIT,,, 2m 3 and a half furlongs

madmoose

Cant wait to see vautour again.

jimjamcos

bellybuster12 wrote: »

What distance is that race?


EDIT,,, 2m 3 and a half furlongs

Love the horse but kinda hope he's beaten. Should never be ran over anything bar the minimum IMO.

madmoose

Module confirmed for punchestown but is balder success? He is 8/1 currently and i think that is a big eachway price.

Harry Angstrom

Strange to hear Ted Walsh completely dismiss the chances of Hurricane Fly reversing the Champion Hurdle placings with Jezki at Punchestown next week during the racing coverage on RTE over the weekend. Walsh seems to have a very selective memory. Jezki has twice finished behind Hurricane Fly this season, and we all know that Cheltenham is a track that doesn't really suit Hurricane Fly, which makes his two Champion Hurdle wins there all the more remarkable. I hope Ted will be eating his words next week.

ste2010

Harry Angstrom wrote: »

Strange to hear Ted Walsh completely dismiss the chances of Hurricane Fly reversing the Champion Hurdle placings with Jezki at Punchestown next week during the racing coverage on RTE over the weekend. Walsh seems to have a very selective memory. Jezki has twice finished behind Hurricane Fly this season, and we all know that Cheltenham is a track that doesn't really suit Hurricane Fly, which makes his two Champion Hurdle wins there all the more remarkable. I hope Ted will be eating his words next week.

Although I'd say its not a surprise if HF wins but Jezki absolutely lives punchestown based on his run last season..he will have it all to do

kfallon

Un De Sceaux going to France this weekend and not Punchestown, horse has not run at any of the big meetings/festivals in Ireland/England this season :rolleyes:

jimjamcos

kfallon wrote: »

Un De Sceaux going to France this weekend and not Punchestown, horse has not run at any of the big meetings/festivals in Ireland/England this season :rolleyes:

Willie's also hinting that he could go over fences next season now too. He'll get the horse killed before he gives him a proper chance over hurdles it seems..

longshotvalue

jimjamcos wrote: »

Willie's also hinting that he could go over fences next season now too. He'll get the horse killed before he gives him a proper chance over hurdles it seems..

I'm pretty sure he knows more about his own horses than any of us. He obviously knows he's no where near Hurricane fly ,and if hes not going to compete in a champion hurdle why not over fences.. Id love to see him flying in the arkle next year. It has to be said all he has done yet like a lot of more or less unproven novices is look good against inferior horses.

jimjamcos

aidankkk wrote: »

I'm pretty sure he knows more about his own horses than any of us. He obviously knows he's no where near Hurricane fly ,and if hes not going to compete in a champion hurdle why not over fences.. Id love to see him flying in the arkle next year. It has to be said all he has done yet like a lot of more or less unproven novices is look good against inferior horses.

Not even getting into this argument with you. Utterly pointless. If you believe that's the reason UDS had been campaigned the way he has then fair enough. Plenty of others with a different view, myself included.

FWIW I'm pretty sure he's somewhere near HF at this stage of their respective careers.

ste2010

jimjamcos wrote: »

Not even getting into this argument with you. Utterly pointless. If you believe that's the reason UDS had been campaigned the way he has then fair enough. Plenty of others with a different view, myself included.

FWIW I'm pretty sure he's somewhere near HF at this stage of their respective careers.

To be fair Jim I've been shouting from the rooftops about UDS since last season and I personally feel a little let down by his run in Auteil actually receiving 7lb's to a 3m 2f horse!!
You could argue that he ran over a distance to far but we know the champion hurdle plays out like a race over 2m all things counted for. You can't get away from the fact gemix got so close to beating him giving him weight..
If you could put the same race in Auteil back in February and a price of 12-1 was available for the champion I wouldn't have backed him...
I personally wouldn't be surprised if blood cotil won the race at the weekend..will have to see the weights.
Sending him over 2m 3 again is madness

BumperD

Ruby rides UDS Saturday. How in gods name did he recover from that injury so quickly.

jimjamcos

ste2010 wrote: »

To be fair Jim I've been shouting from the rooftops about UDS since last season and I personally feel a little let down by his run in Auteil actually receiving 7lb's to a 3m 2f horse!!
You could argue that he ran over a distance to far but we know the champion hurdle plays out like a race over 2m all things counted for. You can't get away from the fact gemix got so close to beating him giving him weight..
If you could put the same race in Auteil back in February and a price of 12-1 was available for the champion I wouldn't have backed him...
I personally wouldn't be surprised if blood cotil won the race at the weekend..will have to see the weights.
Sending him over 2m 3 again is madness

Don't think UDS will ever be at his best over a trip given how hard he goes. Gemix is a very good horse on his own turf anyway as shown when beating Solwhit comfortably last season. He clearly underperformed badly when coming over to Cheltenham this season. I wouldn't back UDS this weekend tbh and would consider backing Gemix pride depending. Do think UDS at least deserves a crack at top 2m race in Ireland though and the excuses trotted out for skipping Cheltenham with him don't really apply to Punchestown given the likely field and how impressive he was there previously.

boysinblack

Un De Sceaux gets 10lb this time from Gemix ....

premierstone

BumperD wrote: »

Ruby rides UDS Saturday. How in gods name did he recover from that injury so quickly.

Injury wasn't near as bad as first reported, the compound fracture was a straightforward break and the cut above the elbow healed in no time.

Moon Dice

Why is Annie Power not in the betting for the world hurdle with Paddy Power?
Quevega is a balls deep bet for me if Annie isnt there

jimjamcos

Moon Dice wrote: »

Why is Annie Power not in the betting for the world hurdle with Paddy Power?
Quevega is a balls deep bet for me if Annie isnt there

She's not running in it. They want Quevega to get the 5 in a row double.

tipster

annie is running in the mares hurdle on the saturday

Slattsy

tipster wrote: »

annie is running in the mares hurdle on the saturday

Great price too!

tipster

Slattsy wrote: »

Great price too!

did i see about 1/5 yesterday.had a good cut at quevega in the stayers 6/5 will surely be odds on come the off

Slattsy

Yeah shocking price but against nothing.

Never too bothered about Punchestown anyway from a betting perspective.

convert

Slattsy wrote: »

Never too bothered about Punchestown anyway from a betting perspective.

Any particular reason? Not trying to 'get' at you or anything, just curious. It's an interesting viewpoint.

Slattsy

convert wrote: »

Any particular reason? Not trying to 'get' at you or anything, just curious. It's an interesting viewpoint.

You're always trying to get at me so I'm wary of your angle ;-)

End of long hard season. Lot of horses may be running here on a whim or not necessarily planned. Ground probably fasterthan ideal for most. Poor quality graded races and competitive handicaps.

jimjamcos

Punchestown, best meeting of the year. mod edit: <snip>

Colonel Sanders

Faugheen drops to 2m on Tuesday. No idea if Vautour runs elsewhere or if that's it for the season

kiers47

Colonel Sanders wrote: »

Faugheen drops to 2m on Tuesday. No idea if Vautour runs elsewhere or if that's it for the season

There was talks of one of the two of them staying over hurdles next year for the champion maybe they are sussing him out for it. Although of the two of them Vautour definitely looks the more natural hurdler.

madmoose

Flying over tomorrow for this, cant wait for the experience. How much is a pint at the track at punch?

NewApproach

Some serious each way value in antepost markets. The likes of the champion Chase, novice hurdle and mares race all being 3 places, which is unlikely to be available on the day.

mailburner

faugheen 4/5 on tues
looks bulletproof to me
wonder would any bookie enhance it to evens on the day?

id be happy to go with the fly at 6/4

ste2010

mailburner wrote: »

faugheen 4/5 on tues
looks bulletproof to me
wonder would any bookie enhance it to evens on the day?

id be happy to go with the fly at 6/4

Can't believe 4/5 is available .. Absolute bombproof

mailburner

ste2010 wrote: »

Can't believe 4/5 is available .. Absolute bombproof

wait or go in now the only dilemma?

will mullins run valseur and wicklow against faugheen?
If not we'd be looking at 1/2 shot or less

maybe someone here might know the answer to that

ste2010

mailburner wrote: »

wait or go in now the only dilemma?

will mullins run valseur and wicklow against faugheen?
If not we'd be looking at 1/2 shot or less

maybe someone here might know the answer to that

I can't imagine valseur lido will run..Wicklow brave maybe given he hasn't win a big one

Harry Angstrom

madmoose wrote: »

Flying over tomorrow for this, cant wait for the experience. How much is a pint at the track at punch?

You won't get much change out of about 5 or 6 euro, and they'll serve it in a plastic glass, and if you ask for stout, it'll be a pint of brown.

Punchestown should really cop themselves on. They could easily condense this into a three or four day meeting, at best. The first race on Tuesday is about the sh!ttiest race you'll see all season, and it's supposed to be kicking off our premier NH meeting. Could you imagine Cheltenham starting with such a rubbish race??

ste2010

Does anyone think Sizing Europe could sneak a victory in the champion
Chase tomorrow.
Punchestown has been the scene of some of his best performances.

mailburner

ste2010 wrote: »

I can't imagine valseur lido will run..Wicklow brave maybe given he hasn't win a big one

Took 8/11 earlier with betv, were going 4/5 last nite as were 888 but
With 888 I'm seeing rule 4 applicable in brackets in the bet slip
They're a pathetic lot when it's comes to racing
That price Could look pretty big come post time

Johner

Faugheen over 2m and Vatour over 2m 4f. Bit puzzled at that decision.

NaiveMelodies

So strange that one^^^



Very tempted by the 3s about Balder Success in the novice chase on Thursday.
I have been extremely impressed.

The Mig

Faugheen for the Champion Hurdle next season?

Colonel Sanders

mailburner wrote: »

Took 8/11 earlier with betv, were going 4/5 last nite as were 888 but
With 888 I'm seeing rule 4 applicable in brackets in the bet slip
They're a pathetic lot when it's comes to racing
That price Could look pretty big come post time

Bets placed after final decs would be subject to R4 with all bookmakers