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Are we in 1930's Mississippi?

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    #572
    Permabear
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    #573
    Deise Vu
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    Reliable statistics are notoriously difficult to come by (strangely enough) in relation to travellers. But here is a fairly good source from UCD on Traveller health which suggests traveller men are 5 times more likely to be imprisoned and traveller women 18 (Eighteen!!) times more likely than settled women. (it's on the summary before the table of contents):

    http://www.dohc.ie/publications/aiths2010/TR2/AITHS2010_TechnicalReport2_HR_PartC.pdf?direct=1


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    #574
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    #575
    Deise Vu
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    Before you get too excited don't forget the Irish Prison Service could only estimate the number at 299 for men and the Census (completed by travellers themselves) only had 150 in Prison. Then factor in Irish Travellers in UK and European prisons.


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    #577
    drain_cleaner
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    newspapers leave themselves open to a racist charge by printing facts about travellers

    the main gangs in limerick are all travellers yet this never gets reported


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    #578
    Czarcasm
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    drain_cleaner wrote: »
    newspapers leave themselves open to a racist charge by printing facts about travellers

    the main gangs in limerick are all travellers yet this never gets reported


    Because it's not true, would be one reason. The second reason of course is that much of the violence and anti-social behaviour is perpetrated by members of the settled "community". I'm not here blindly defending travellers, far from it, but statistics will never tell you the full story either. There's as much anti-social behaviour and violence among the traveller community that goes unreported in statistics, and given the difficulty with collecting data, I wouldn't rely solely on statistics, or individual anecdotes such as my own.

    A balanced perspective does help though.


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    Deise Vu
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    Czarcasm wrote: »
    Because it's not true, would be one reason. The second reason of course is that much of the violence and anti-social behaviour is perpetrated by members of the settled "community". I'm not here blindly defending travellers, far from it, but statistics will never tell you the full story either. There's as much anti-social behaviour and violence among the traveller community that goes unreported in statistics, and given the difficulty with collecting data, I wouldn't rely solely on statistics, or individual anecdotes such as my own.

    A balanced perspective does help though.

    Are the McCarthy-Dundon gang not travellers?


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    #580
    Czarcasm
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    Deise Vu wrote: »
    Are the McCarthy-Dundon gang not travellers?


    They are, but I wouldn't have put them down as the main criminal gangs in Limerick any more tbh. Up to about ten years ago alright, and there were the Caseys and the Kellys too, but all that feuding shìte died down about five years or so ago.

    I shouldn't have to state the obvious, but at least the feuding families were only trying to intimidate and kill each other. Criminal gangs are much more organised and sophisticated nowadays and they're also unlikely to appear in the Sunday World any time soon. The same newspaper I wouldn't wipe my arse with to be perfectly honest about it.


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    Deise Vu
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    Czarcasm wrote: »
    They are, but I wouldn't have put them down as the main criminal gangs in Limerick any more tbh. Up to about ten years ago alright, and there were the Caseys and the Kellys too, but all that feuding shìte died down about five years or so ago.

    I shouldn't have to state the obvious, but at least the feuding families were only trying to intimidate and kill each other. Criminal gangs are much more organised and sophisticated nowadays and they're also unlikely to appear in the Sunday World any time soon. The same newspaper I wouldn't wipe my arse with to be perfectly honest about it.

    The Collins family, wherever they are in the world now, might not agree with you.


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    Santa Cruz
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    Permabear wrote: »
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    I take it that they have been convicted of crimes


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    Carlos Orange
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    Deise Vu wrote: »
    Reliable statistics are notoriously difficult to come by (strangely enough) in relation to travellers. But here is a fairly good source from UCD on Traveller health which suggests traveller men are 5 times more likely to be imprisoned and traveller women 18 (Eighteen!!) times more likely than settled women. (it's on the summary before the table of contents):

    http://www.dohc.ie/publications/aiths2010/TR2/AITHS2010_TechnicalReport2_HR_PartC.pdf?direct=1

    Table 6 is good. It has the relative risks of imprisonment for the 2 sets of data in the study ( prison stats and a survey of travellers ). For the prison stats the ratios are 10.8:1 male and 22:1 female. For the survey they are 5.2:1 male and 18:1 female.


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    #584
    Busyness1
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    donkeyoaty0099 wrote: »
    This thread won't last long. Most people don't want travellers living beside them. They have a reputation for anti social behaviour.

    And they are dead right. Time for them to pull the socks up, contribute to society in a meaningful way and stop with the cultural/minority crap. Otherwise, they fully deserve their rep and I have no quams in judging them by the reputation!


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    #585
    Hitchens
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    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/armed-gardai-called-in-to-deal-with-nevin-row-30284982.html

    Holy Communion, Batman!!!


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    Kaizersoze81
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    Hitchens wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/armed-gardai-called-in-to-deal-with-nevin-row-30284982.html

    Holy Communion, Batman!!!

    Sure it's their culture .
    The silence from Martin Collins in pavee point is deafening.


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    #587
    Calibos
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    At a communion of all places! What next? A Wedding? ;)


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    #588
    SEPT 23 1989
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    Hitchens wrote: »
    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/armed-gardai-called-in-to-deal-with-nevin-row-30284982.html

    Holy Communion, Batman!!!

    the neanderthals are probably having a great laugh about this wonderful cultural event this morning in their state paid accommodation,eating their state paid for food while this thick is heading into another stressful week working hard to pay for them:mad:


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