Schwarzenegger's career is dead

speedboatchase

I love the Austrian Oak but it's time to face facts: he can't open a movie anymore and the planned Terminator reboot trilogy and his ideas about how the Terminator's human skin ages (!) will kill his most coveted franchise stone dead.

This weekend, his latest action movie, Sabotage, opened at #7 in the US with $5.3 million. That's less than the previous two post-comeback action movies that he headlined (Expendables are ensembles pieces, so I haven't included them) - The Last Stand at $6.3 million and Escape plan at $9.9 million. Sabotage was his worst opening weekend since Red Sonja in 1985.

So what's next? Sequels, sequels, sequels. A planned sequel to Twins (Triplets - with Eddie Murphy at the triplet. He's black, you guys! ), Conan (The Legend of Conan), and of course Terminator Genesis.

Unlike Stallone, Arnie's not a writer or director. He needs to bow out of headlining movies, stop relying on sequels and action films in general, and have the dignity to step away from Terminator Genesis too. Otherwise, this 'comeback' of his could get a lot more embarrassing.

Adamantium

Isn't the Terminator trilogy reboot supposed to be shot back to back over 9 months in LA?. What makes me excited is that for the first time in the franchise, they'll have a plan and it'll resolve the terrible consistency of making films years apart from another (e.g changing,loosing actors).

I have no doubt it might well be terrible story and frankly creatively bereft , but I'd be excited to know there'll a new film every year.

Plus they'll have it in all in the can before Arnold looks sandpaper.

Finally there'll be a complete story (yeah T1 AND T2 were a complete story, but you know.........money)

Apparently he'll play 3 versions of the T-800, the 80's, the 90's and a future old Arnold version

Once again they're ignoring everything after T2

I'm interested in how it'll segue into bringing all to an end (if the money gods have mercy, for good)

http://metro.co.uk/2014/03/29/three-new-terminator-reboot-trilogy-to-be-shot-back-to-back-over-nine-months-4682674/

http://www.comingsoon.net/news/movienews.php?id=115988

I have a Rise of the Planet of the Apes feel about this one. I think it'll very good indeed.

bnt

Well, why should he care? He's 66 years old, has a ton of money* and (most of) his health. He's achieved just about everything he could wish for, including a political career - and no, I don't seriously believe he wants to be President of the USA, regardless of what others are saying. If I was in his position, I'd be making films because I enjoyed it, not because of worry about my "film career".

* back in 2007 he was quoted as saying "money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million, but I was just as happy when I had $48 million". :cool:

SimonTemplar

I actually enjoyed Escape Plan and it was clear that Arnold was having tons of fun making it.

To be honest, I'd rather see Arnold making more movies than Bruce Willis at the moment, who seems to have lost his ability (or eagerness) to act.

Duggy747

I still like seeing Arnie back in the movies, they're not great but they're certainly better than his later efforts before he went into politics like The 6th Day.

Escape Plan was a stupid, utterly stupid film. But Arnie, for me, made it enjoyable to watch as he looked like he was enjoying himself and treating it silly.

ScumLord

He should certainly give up on the action roles. I thought he was the best thing in that escape plan, he played a weird guy really well and I loved hearing him rant in Austrian.

He just needs to pick more realistic roles for his age, it doesn't mean he can't do action but it's needs to be more along the lines of copland or grand torino.

Mickeroo

Haven't seen the other films he's done since coming back but I enjoyed The Last Stand for what it was.

Seedy Arling

Mickeroo wrote: »

Haven't seen the other films he's done since coming back but I enjoyed The Last Stand for what it was.

I enjoyed it too, but would it be ageist to suggest that he is too old for action films?

It's not realistic having him in fight scenes because he looks like he's seconds away from doing himself a mischief.

Have to say that I really enjoyed both The Last Stand and Escape Plan, the latter was hugely enhanced by the fact that Arnie was given a little to work with beyond endless one liners. He's not a great actor and never will be but he impressed in Escape Plan. Sabatoge looks interesting and a lot of the reviews seem to like or dislike it given that its something of a departure for Arnie.

At this stage in his life he's achieved more than most would in 4 or 5 lifetimes. He's a body of work that includes some of the most influential and well known films ever produced and is in a position where he can try his hand at something a little different and Long may it continue.

Arghus

Arnold can continue on for as long as he likes. At this stage I'm just happy he's making movies at all.
He's got nothing to prove after such a career and fantastical life story.
He post politics movies have mostly been rubbish but you still get Schwarzenegger, when they are good it's a bonus.
The fact that he's playing to a core audience now is fine by me. It's kind of admirable really, he doesn't need the money

Skittlemon

Slightly off topic, but his raw charisma in Pumping Iron is undeniable! His star has waned but he's still turning out switch-your-brain-off - entertaining flicks. The terminator idea sounds nifty but they can pee in the wind with that Twins sequel idea, I'd prefer a Kindergarten cop sequel......yes, I went there.

LuckyLloyd

He's the definition of the American Dream. That his career is falling off in his mid sixties doesn't change that one bit.

Skerries

If they ever made Druss the Legend he would be perfect but I suppose that's what the new Conan is about

Duggy747

Well, I'm still glad he's making movies anyways and have enjoyed his previous 2 films, not great but serviceable.

Escape Plan didn't exactly do well in the BO in the US but did ok outside it, making it's $50 million budget back by earning $137 million so it wasn't really a failure for Stallone or Arnie.

ricero

escape plan was one of the most enjoyable action movie ive seen in years. great fun

Links234

Even though I'd been holding a bit of a torch for Kim Jee-woon, I thought The Last Stand was a big letdown, but this thread is reminding me to see Escape Plan

I don't think Arnold will ever beat his glory days, but does that mean he can't make some good movies yet? Nope! Hope he has plenty more in him yet, I just hope he stays away from Terminator, etc. franchises. Does anyone really want a repeat of Terminator 3? :eek:

Snickers Man

He'll be back.






(sorry. Couldn't resist it )

ArPharazon

*Covers ears with hands*

La la la I cant hear you. Arnold is the best and will always be the best.

rcdk1

Skerries wrote: »

If they ever made Druss the Legend he would be perfect but I suppose that's what the new Conan is about

Interesting, although I've read elsewhere that Gemmell didn't want his books turned into screenplays.

Outkast_IRE

Skerries wrote: »

If they ever made Druss the Legend he would be perfect but I suppose that's what the new Conan is about

I agree when I read the book he was who I though of instantly.

That would be some epic movie if done right.

Jumboman

Heres a pic of him on set on the new terminator film. He doesnt look big enough to play terminator anymore.

SouthTippBass

Jumboman wrote: »

Heres a pic of him on set on the new terminator film. He doesnt look big enough to play terminator anymore.

Yeah, he dosent. But sure what do we know about the movie yet? He might not even be playing the terminator. He might be playing the role of the scientist whom the terminator is modeled after. Or something....

pixelburp

Jumboman wrote: »

Heres a pic of him on set on the new terminator film. He doesnt look big enough to play terminator anymore.

I recall reading that Arnie may not be playing a terminator this time around, but a human character of some kind (a scientist I think). He's clearly too old and out of shape to be playing a supposedly ageless robot anyway

Always thought it made no sense regardless: why develop an infiltration cyborg that can pass for human, if Skynet then builds them all look like the same guy? Kinda defeats the purpose

Jumboman

Heres another pic of him on set. I think this film is going to flop big time.

krudler

pixelburp wrote: »

I recall reading that Arnie may not be playing a terminator this time around, but a human character of some kind (a scientist I think). He's clearly too old and out of shape to be playing a supposedly ageless robot anyway

Always thought it made no sense regardless: why develop an infiltration cyborg that can pass for human, if Skynet then builds them all look like the same guy? Kinda defeats the purpose

Also why build an infiltration unit that's 6 foot odd of solid muscle with an Austrian accent.

AllGunsBlazing

He hasn't made a decent action flick since True Lies. I think there is more mileage to be had in comedy. Something like 'Meet the Parents', or a similar dad comedy would suit him down to the ground. It certainly helped reinvent Robert De Niro in his autumn years.

RobbingBandit

Seen him on screen on WWE Raw a few weeks back in the ring with Hulk Hogan, Arnold looked tiny. I hope he gets back into politics in America, he was fun as the governator.

Jumboman

RobbingBandit wrote: »

Seen him on screen on WWE Raw a few weeks back in the ring with Hulk Hogan, Arnold looked tiny. I hope he gets back into politics in America, he was fun as the governator.

He must only be about 5ft10 there is no way hes 6ft2 which is his official height.

If you see him standing beside stallone he only looks a bit taller than stallone and stallone is only 5ft8.

ScumLord

He should jump on the historic TV drama bandwagon. It would be cool to see him playing some German king back when they put an end to the Roman empire.

He's got to stop the action man stuff, he's just to old to carry it off.

ryan101

Apart from the odd project for fun, Arnie finished with movies years ago.

My favourite Arnie Quote

"Money doesn't make you happy. I now have $50 million but I was just as happy when I had $48 million."

I don't think Arnie is too worried that his Movie chapter is behind him.

He used bodybuilding to get into the movies, he used the movies to get into politics.

He's retired a very wealthy man.

Tipsy McSwagger

AllGunsBlazing wrote: »

He hasn't made a decent action flick since True Lies. I think there is more mileage to be had in comedy. Something like 'Meet the Parents', or a similar dad comedy would suit him down to the ground. It certainly helped reinvent Robert De Niro in his autumn years.

End of Days is very underrated

ryan101

Arnie won Mr Olypia a staggering 7 times
Then became a successful hollywood movie star
Then he went into politics and served two terms as Governor of California
He retires as a multi millionaire.
And now in retirement, he still gets to go back and do the odd action movie when he feels like it.
I'll take Arnie's career anyday

Robson Lobson

Jumboman wrote: »

He must only be about 5ft10 there is no way hes 6ft2 which is his official height.

If you see him standing beside stallone he only looks a bit taller than stallone and stallone is only 5ft8.

Sylvester Stallone is 5'10". At his peak (pun intebded) I'd say he was 6'2" or 6'1.5"+. He's prob shrunk a couple inches since then.

Dempsey

His career is far from dead. It will be a sad day when Arnie does finally quit acting

Matthew 5.11

arnie is a legend,let him do whatever films he wants,imo he's a lot better than most of the younger actors in action films these days,
he made so many great action films and his acting got better with age.

Jumboman

Dempsey wrote: »

His career is far from dead. It will be a sad day when Arnie does finally quit acting

I like arnie but hes no more an "actor" than danny dyer is hes a movie star.

B.A._Baracus

Arnie's career is far from over with new Terminator and Conan sequels.
But, its fair to say his 'movie career' is not the same. Long gone are the quality days of Total Recall, Predator, The Running Man etc. Man, Arnie made some great movies

But he is a movie star who's known for action who is sadly now in his 60s. While he still has a caeer its not the same.

Honestly if people are writing off a film, based on a picture of an actor taken away from set then you really have to wonder if they just want it to fail.

Hell Ram

Jumboman wrote: »

He must only be about 5ft10 there is no way hes 6ft2 which is his official height.

If you see him standing beside stallone he only looks a bit taller than stallone and stallone is only 5ft8.

Newsflash: people shrink when they're aged.

All hail Arnie - the definitive action movie star.

Duggy747

The man could hardly maintain his huge body forever, age was eventually gonna catch up


But he's certainly not out of shape, he's in pretty damn good shape for someone who's 66:


I think he needs a better caliber of films to suit him and reflect his age, but I'd still be happy to see him appear in action movies rolling out one-liners. I enjoyed The Last Stand and Escape Plan, not great but serviceable films. Sabotage did shìt in the US box office but still has to open internationally yet so I'll watch that when I get the chance.

I don't have a lot of hope for the next Terminator film considering I'm not a fan of Jai Courtney and the last 2 films weren't that good when compared to Cameron's films.

But I'm not writing it off because of Arnie, you know exactly what to get from him and , age be damned, I'll still be watching his movies :pac:

Dempsey

Jumboman wrote: »

I like arnie but hes no more an "actor" than danny dyer is hes a movie star.

No, he's not the greatest actor by a stretch but he's a far more accomplished actor than Danny Dyer!! Do you really think they are comparable in acting terms? Or did you want to give me the Ari Gold speech?

Dempsey

Dempsey wrote: »

No, he's not the greatest actor by a stretch but he's a far more accomplished actor than Danny Dyer!! Do you really think they are comparable in acting terms? Or did you want to give me the Ari Gold speech?

Dyer is a damn good actor when he wants to be. He was excellent in a number of his early roles and Pinter cast him in a number of plays where he got good reviews. Problem is that he was type cast and hasn't been able to break out of the hard geezer roles.

As Charlie Brooker said, you watched Dyer in Eastenders to make fun of him but then find yourself watching it because of him and how much fun he's having.

Jumboman

Dempsey wrote: »

No, he's not the greatest actor by a stretch but he's a far more accomplished actor than Danny Dyer!! Do you really think they are comparable in acting terms? Or did you want to give me the Ari Gold speech?

Nobody goes to a schwarzenegger film because of his "acting".

Frank Bullitt

Even when Arnie has left us, his career will never be dead.

jimmynokia

OP if you can get 5.3 million for your first movie............:D

Dempsey

Deleted User wrote: »

Dyer is a damn good actor when he wants to be. He was excellent in a number of his early roles and Pinter cast him in a number of plays where he got good reviews. Problem is that he was type cast and hasn't been able to break out of the hard geezer roles.

As Charlie Brooker said, you watched Dyer in Eastenders to make fun of him but then find yourself watching it because of him and how much fun he's having.

He is a terrible actor!

Jumboman wrote: »

Nobody goes to a schwarzenegger film because of his "acting".

Nobody goes to a Danny Dyer film, full stop

Dempsey

Dempsey wrote: »

He is a terrible actor!

He'll never be considered a great but he has some talent, he was good in The Great Ecstasy of Robert Carmichael, Goodbye Charlie Bright, Borstal Boy, The Trench, The Football Factory, The Business, Severance, Adulthood, Dog House and Malice in Wonderland. The problem is that when people think of him they think of the exaggerated caricature he became in the media. Sure he's made some terrible films and delivered atrocious performances but he's not quite the complete waste of space most write him off as.

snausages

Deleted User wrote: »

Honestly if people are writing off a film, based on a picture of an actor taken away from set then you really have to wonder if they just want it to fail.

Yeah, that kind of gleeful schadenfreude makes little sense to me. It was the same with the Oldboy reboot (which was horrendous, but still)

p to the e

I remember reading that Arnie was actually very wealthy before he ever went into movies due to his construction business. Basically him and his bodybuilding mates hadn't a clue how to do any construction work but as soon as they saw half a dozen gargantuan, Adonis like figures they were hired. I'm looking forward to Sabotage as the director, David Ayer, has some good form in this area.

Bipolar Joe

I love Arnie and Dyer .

The thing is, they're fun to watch in a film. Arnie can't act, but he has this bizarre charisma, and he's the only one in Hollywood with it. He clearly loves making movies. It's his hobby, not his career, and people tend to enjoy their hobbies much more than their jobs. This translates. It makes him enjoyable to watch do his thing. It's nice to see someone who just loves to act and be in movies, and not have any of the pretentiousness that can and often does come with it. The guy is earning more than a living from a hobby!

On the topic of Dyer, he can genuinely act, and has been brilliant in a number of roles. I have a lot of respect for the man. I can't quote it verbatim, but he said something like, he makes movies for the audience that likes them. Everyone else is too scared because of what the critics will say. He's another guy that just loves acting. In interviews, he's very savvy and intelligent. He's the Uwe Boll of acting. Perfectly able to make something brilliant, but people only know him for the shit. It sucks. I'd buy the guy a pint.

Tipsy McSwagger

p to the e wrote: »

I remember reading that Arnie was actually very wealthy before he ever went into movies due to his construction business. Basically him and his bodybuilding mates hadn't a clue how to do any construction work but as soon as they saw half a dozen gargantuan, Adonis like figures they were hired. I'm looking forward to Sabotage as the director, David Ayer, has some good form in this area.

Arnie made his first million from buying property and renting out the apartments. I read his book last year and he is a very intelligent guy.