Daily rate for a plumber?

K.Flyer

Robbie.G wrote: »

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If your an employer then add on prsi/pension/holiday pay/ and a lot of other expenses.So most companies with staff would be charging in the region of €30-35 per hr

And the rest!
They dont charge someone just to cover their employees wages, its a business and a business is out to make a profit.
So it will be waterever it costs to have the employee (including van) + desired profit + VAT = charge to customer.

shane 007

Completely agree. Especially with "And the rest".
A friend of mine recently had to let 6 employees go so he could stay in business. He will be paying back the banks for the next 15 years the redundancy monies he had come up to pay them off. He is now himself & 1 other guy.
How do you factor that into a job?
Along with every other overhead you have that goes along with running a business, mobile phones, various insurances, accountant, etc.

For some people it is very easy to undercut the legitimate business or self employed person as they have a few hundred quid to fall back week in week out on the dole.
I might have a good week this week but be in negative income for the next 3 weeks with no fall back. If I get sick, I'm stuffed as I have to pay for my medical & zero income.

Dtp1979

And all the local cowboy has to do is feed his horse!

shane 007

Dtp1979 wrote: »

And all the local cowboy has to do is feed his horse!

In 2008, I got done for €140,000. From Sept '08 to May '09 I had zero income. I was not allowed to claim the dole. Every payment that went into my bank account was taken away by the bank. I had to borrow cash from friends, family & from the Credit Union to survive. My wife's parents drove from Wicklow to Kilkenny on one occasion with bags of shopping from Tesco as we had nothing.
I am still paying back the banks for the monies that I am owed & will be for the foreseeable future.

The 3 developers that owe me continue to enjoy my money & I am told that I have to take them to court individually at an approx cost of €30,000 each. The small business loses out yet again.

So, all the guys out there working for cash, no overheads, have guaranteed income & medical continue to punish me & making it harder & harder for me to employ myself & two other employees.

K.Flyer

And after taking them to court, winning and getting a judgement against them you could still end up getting NOTHING off them. Infuriating!!

Most people would have gone under for a lot less, well done for keeping things going.

Dtp1979

140k!!! Jesus fair play to ya for surviving Shane

jimf

shane 007 wrote: »

In 2008, I got done for €140,000. From Sept '08 to May '09 I had zero income. I was not allowed to claim the dole. Every payment that went into my bank account was taken away by the bank. I had to borrow cash from friends, family & from the Credit Union to survive. My wife's parents drove from Wicklow to Kilkenny on one occasion with bags of shopping from Tesco as we had nothing.
I am still paying back the banks for the monies that I am owed & will be for the foreseeable future.

The 3 developers that owe me continue to enjoy my money & I am told that I have to take them to court individually at an approx cost of €30,000 each. The small business loses out yet again.

So, all the guys out there working for cash, no overheads, have guaranteed income & medical continue to punish me & making it harder & harder for me to employ myself & two other employees.

didn't know if I should thank this post or not
but fair play to you for seeing in through it cant have been easy good on you for havin the balls to fight on and come out the other side

What's wrong with any tradesman being successful .

Why is it people spend more time moaning about wages and less time promoting/encouraging good tradesmen.

I could understand if tradesmen were charging like for like but the country is full of spoofers and It's not by accident that there are so many spoofers doing crap work at cheap prices as it's what people want.

I have to ring another person Monday to tell him his year old boiler needs to be flushed and his system needs up grading due to his love of a cheap as chips plumber.

shane 007

Dtp1979 wrote: »

140k!!! Jesus fair play to ya for surviving Shane

TBH, it's not a matter of anything heroic. I have 2 kids & my wife is not employed. When anybody is put in situations that are not pleasant, they deal with them to the best of their ability. I know many people that were far worse off than me. Some came through, some ran to other countries. It's a matter of what the individual feels is the correct option for their family. I chose to try work through it.

I remember asking the bank could I have a payment break for 6 months to give me breathing space which they refused as they felt I could not survive the crap I was in.
I felt that comment was a reflection of their limitations & not of mine.

anuprising

nothing wrong with a tradesman being successful , a lot of wealth out there to be got and shared
what I always find hard to swallow is tradesmen banging on about how much developers screwed them for .
your either a trades man or a business man , when a business man has a go at plumbing , the plumber laughs , likewise when the plumber tries his hand at business the developer laughs .

no reflection on anyone but I have found this with trades men over the last ten years , the usual conversation is when they get caught by a builder they tell you how they are now back on thier tools - what were they doing off them in the first place

Dtp1979

anuprising wrote: »

nothing wrong with a tradesman being successful , a lot of wealth out there to be got and shared
what I always find hard to swallow is tradesmen banging on about how much developers screwed them for .
your either a trades man or a business man , when a business man has a go at plumbing , the plumber laughs , likewise when the plumber tries his hand at business the developer laughs .

no reflection on anyone but I have found this with trades men over the last ten years , the usual conversation is when they get caught by a builder they tell you how they are now back on thier tools - what were they doing off them in the first place

How do you expect a tradesman to run his own business so? As in a self employed plumber or Electrican?

anuprising

Dtp1979 wrote: »

How do you expect a tradesman to run his own business so? As in a self employed plumber or Electrican?

I'm self employed 20 years now , and being self employed is not being a business man , far from it .
self employment is a lifestyle business not a proper business in the sense , you can't sell it trade it or leverage it .
a limited company can and has exposure limits

fozz10

K.Flyer wrote: »

And the rest!
They dont charge someone just to cover their employees wages, its a business and a business is out to make a profit.
So it will be waterever it costs to have the employee (including van) + desired profit + VAT = charge to customer.

== get someone who is self employed, registered, good, known to you, works alone, has no overheads only his one van that costs no more than anyone elses van to run for the week, and no ones wages to pay only his own and guess what? is happy with a lot less then 300 a day. clowns pay that money to a plumber, a flippin trades man ffs not a politician

fozz10

shane 007 wrote: »

Completely agree. Especially with "And the rest".
A friend of mine recently had to let 6 employees go so he could stay in business. He will be paying back the banks for the next 15 years the redundancy monies he had come up to pay them off. He is now himself & 1 other guy.
How do you factor that into a job?
Along with every other overhead you have that goes along with running a business, mobile phones, various insurances, accountant, etc.

For some people it is very easy to undercut the legitimate business or self employed person as they have a few hundred quid to fall back week in week out on the dole.
I might have a good week this week but be in negative income for the next 3 weeks with no fall back. If I get sick, I'm stuffed as I have to pay for my medical & zero income.

you dont. not the customers problem

anthonyos

So 300 is fair to you

anuprising

anthonyos wrote: »

So 300 is fair to you

I got up this morning at 830am was home at 3 pm with €350 in my pocket
done 5 calls that were too small for other lads to even consider . had a look two more for Monday ,
if I was in one place for a day I wouldn't earn that money and in fairness my overheads are managed military style so don't need to charge that .
lads want to make themselves precious snd important

K.Flyer

fozz10 wrote: »

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has no overheads only his one van that costs no more than anyone elses van to run for the week

Most of the people I know in this business have more regular overheads and expences than just their van and its costs.
Some for example..
Public liability insurance,
Specialist tools and equipment,
Maintenance, upkeep, calibration of same,
Accountancy fees,
Advertising,
Personal protection equipment,
Time / income lost to regular training days.
Cost of yearly compulsary registration to RGII.
Cost of certificates that have to be issued.
Obvious to some, maybe not to others.

anuprising

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anuprising

anuprising wrote: »

I got up this morning at 830am was home at 3 pm with €350 in my pocket
done 5 calls that were too small for other lads to even consider . had a look two more for Monday ,
if I was in one place for a day I wouldn't earn that money and in fairness my overheads are managed military style so don't need to charge that .
lads want to make themselves precious snd important

But there my best qualities:o, that and being able to scream "show me the money" just like yer man from the movie:cool:.

corkgsxr

Being honest iv stopped taking on big jobs. I cant stay for the day at jobs. Its not fair to them and drags its out for me. So I stopped.

fozz10

K.Flyer wrote: »

Most of the people I know in this business have more regular overheads and expences than just their van and its costs.
Some for example..
Public liability insurance,so what so does every one else self employed. i forgot that one. still its not bad for one man for a year
Specialist tools and equipment so does every trades man. get over it.
Maintenance, upkeep, calibration of same, get over that too.
Accountancy fees, not alot either
Advertising, if u need it, it says a lot.
Personal protection equipment, are u having a laugh? 100 euro should do u for at least a year
Time / income lost to regular training days.// also your responsibilty , not the customers problem and no reason to over charge them
Cost of yearly compulsary registration to RGII. not everyone deals with gas, again your choice.
Cost of certificates that have to be issued. cop on.
Obvious to some, maybe not to others.

actually, you know what, ill just keep using the people i know, good honest trades men. no stupid stickers , or advertising just good work.

anthonyos

fozz10 wrote: »

actually, you know what, ill just keep using the people i know, good honest trades men. no stupid stickers , or advertising just good work.

What part of the country are from

DGOBS

fozz10, your bordering on trolling on this post, give facts and opinion, no need to abuse the tradesmen that are here.