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ahlookit

laoisman11 wrote: »

• Galway edge closer to Roscommon following their draw in the Connacht final
  

Sorry to be nitpicking your commentary piece, but did Roscommon (and Mayo) not overtake Galway? Hence Galway falling two places.

Here's hoping Ros extend their lead on Galway next weekend !

BTW, excellent work as always laoisman, thanks for your efforts in compiling the tables.

Hammer Archer

Out of interest, were Meath ever as low as 18th? Offhand, we possibly got close back when we were relegated to Division 3 or perhaps back before Boylan took over.
We're now ranked below our hurlers in the equivalent thread which must be a first.

laoisman11

ahlookit wrote: »

laoisman11 wrote: »

• Galway edge closer to Roscommon following their draw in the Connacht final
  

Sorry to be nitpicking your commentary piece, but did Roscommon (and Mayo) not overtake Galway? Hence Galway falling two places.

Here's hoping Ros extend their lead on Galway next weekend !

BTW, excellent work as always laoisman, thanks for your efforts in compiling the tables.

You're dead right, the heat must be getting to me. That or the old age. With a few beers added in as a confounding factor......

laoisman11

Hammer Archer wrote: »

Out of interest, were Meath ever as low as 18th? Offhand, we possibly got close back when we were relegated to Division 3 or perhaps back before Boylan took over.
We're now ranked below our hurlers in the equivalent thread which must be a first.

Meath finished 20th not so long ago, scroll down to page 9 in the PDF http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100111965&postcount=373

laoisman11

Getting these in early as I'm off cavorting for a long weekend.....

Sligo (78.21, at home) vs Clare (84.65)
A difficult game to call. Sligo had a good showing against Roscommon before running out of steam and got a nice draw in the 2nd round of the qualifiers with a home game against their near neighbours Leitrim. They have another home game here against a decent Clare side who battled long and hard before finally pipping Laois at the post. Clare will have Podge Collins for the entirety of this game, and it will be interesting to see if he can be the difference. The prediction model is playing coy: Draw

Cavan (87.31, at home) vs Derry (84.93)
Cavan stuttered over a weakened Carlow side last weekend, and this being their 4th game in 5 weeks could affect them negatively here. Derry put Meath to the sword in the second-half of their Round 2 fixture last weekend, but then again, Meath seem predestined to throw away half-time leads, if their recent record is anything to go by. A difficult one to call, Derry can be tricky, and they won't have any fear of this Cavan side. Cavan do, however, have home advantage, and that probably swings it for them. Cavan by 3

Longford (84.88, at home) vs Cork (85.78) -3.3
Can Longford pull off another giant-killing act? In the 2014 qualifiers, they beat Derry (Division 1 league finalists) before being hammered by Tipperary, in 2012 they beat Laois and Derry before losing to Limerick and in 2010, they beat Mayo before losing to the All-Ireland finalists Down. In between those victories, they have been wildly inconsistent. Cork are proving to be inconsistent themselves recently, succumbing weakly to Tipperary while mixing the good (vs Mayo), the bad (vs Donegal) and the ugly (vs Roscommon) in the league. Either team could win this by 6 points, but the model is keeping it traditional. Cork by 3

Mayo (92.52, at home) vs Kildare (85.48)
Another tough nut for Mayo to crack, but home ground to crack it on. Kildare have not set the world alight this year, but still racked up a good score against Offaly. Mayo have got to keep the results coming to get themselves to the business end of things. Mayo by 4

Galway (90.93) vs Roscommon (91.46)
Another bite at the cherry for both sides, and hopefully more sheltered conditions will lead to more free-flowing football. Roscommon will feel they got out of jail last weekend and that may be enough to spur them on here. The prediction model won't call it though. Draw

Dublin (111.55, at home) vs Westmeath (85.50)
It must be difficult for the journalists to try to drum up some interest to write a preview for this game. The common theme seems to be: Dublin by how much? The model says: Dublin by 12

Tyrone (98.43) vs Donegal (96.43)
The game of the weekend (for me anyways). This mightn't be a classic in terms of open, end-to-end stuff, but I think it will be in terms of power, pace and no little skill. The winner can advance to an All-Ireland quarter-final safe in the knowledge that they will not meet either Kerry or Dublin before the 18th of September. If that's not enough motivation, getting one over on your near neighbour has to be. It's going to be tight though. Tyrone by 1

CrabRevolution

laoisman11 wrote: »

Meath finished 20th not so long ago, scroll down to page 9 in the PDF http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100111965&postcount=373

A lot of interesting info there. Looking at that Meath/Dublin graph, what happened Meath in the early 60s? Hitting as low as 26th is amazing, especially considering they would win Leinster in 1964, reach the All Ireland final in 1966, and win it in 1967.

Another funny one is Roscommon being ranked 31st in 1938, then winning the All Ireland 5 years later.

Only Fermanagh and Tyrone have occupied both 1st and 34th place.

nice_guy80

CrabRevolution wrote: »

A lot of interesting info there. Looking at that Meath/Dublin graph, what happened Meath in the early 60s? Hitting as low as 26th is amazing, especially considering they would win Leinster in 1964, reach the All Ireland final in 1966, and win it in 1967.

Another funny one is Roscommon being ranked 31st in 1938, then winning the All Ireland 5 years later.

Only Fermanagh and Tyrone have occupied both 1st and 34th place.

Roscommon won the AI Junior and then WW2 broke out
That's when Roscommon seem to do well

tanko

So Monaghan are the 15th best team in Ireland and will probably be stuck there until they get going in Division 1 of the league.
They had two very tough games against Donegal and came unstuck against a fresh Longford team.
It seems a bit harsh to me.

CrabRevolution

tanko wrote: »

So Monaghan are the 15th best team in Ireland and will probably be stuck there until they get going in Division 1 of the league.
They had two very tough games against Donegal and came unstuck against a fresh Longford team.
It seems a bit harsh to me.

The rankings are weighted towards the championship, and Monaghan failed to make the last 16 so 15th is probably fair. No matter who they played their championship record this year was W1 D1 L2, and that win was against a terrible Down team so wouldn't have gained many (maybe any) points for Monaghan.

Hibbeler

laoisman11 wrote: »

Meath finished 20th not so long ago, scroll down to page 9 in the PDF http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=100111965&postcount=373

New York ranked 21st in 1989? How did they do that? I'm assuming they must've had more games than their annual one these days and that they must've won some to get the ranking points

ahlookit

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Roscommon won the AI Junior and then WW2 broke out
That's when Roscommon seem to do well

Roscommon won minor titles in 39 & 41, then seniors in 43 & 44.

As for nice_guy80's comments, with Boris Johnsons appointment as UK Foreign Secretary, hopes are rising throughout the county....

laoisman11

• A bonus point win over Longford resulta in Cork moving back up to where they were before the Tipp defeat and gained them 5.13 rating points
• Galway jump up 3 places to 4th, their highest rank since June 2009
• Derry gain 4 places and narrowly rejoin the top 8
• A remarkable run for Clare sees them continue to amass rating points; they now stand in 9th, their highest position since June 1997
• Tyrone sneak nearer to Kerry after a hard-fought win over Donegal
• Mayo continue their voyage in the qualifiers, picking up 1.49 rating points from Kildare
• In terms of downwards movers, Cavan (-7), Longford (-5) and Roscommon (-4) were the big losers
• No rating points were exchanged as a result of the Leinster final

Teams in bold still involved in the SFC
#|Δ Rank|Team|Rating|Δ Rating
1 | = | Dublin | 111.55 | 0.00
2 | = | Kerry | 102.98 | 0.00
3 | = | Tyrone | 101.03 | 2.60
4 | ▲ 3 | Galway | 95.59 | 4.66
5 | = | Mayo | 94.01 | 1.49
6 | ▼ 2 | Donegal | 93.83 | -2.60
7 | ▲ 2 | Cork | 90.91 | 5.13
8 | ▲ 4 | Derry | 89.01 | 4.08
9 | ▲ 5 | Clare | 88.12 | 3.47
10 | ▼ 4 | Roscommon | 86.80 | -4.66
11 | ▼ | Westmeath | 85.50 | 0.00
12 | ▲ 2 | Monaghan | 84.02 | 0.00
13 | ▼ 2 | Kildare | 83.99 | -1.49
14 | ▲ 2 | Fermanagh | 83.85 | 0.00
15 | ▼ 7 | Cavan | 83.23 | -4.08
16 | ▲ | Tipperary | 82.92 | 0.00
17 | ▲ | Meath | 81.64 | 0.00
18 | ▼ 5 | Longford | 79.75 | -5.13
19 | ▲ | Laois | 77.86 | 0.00
20 | ▲ | Offaly | 76.94 | 0.00
21 | ▼ 2 | Sligo | 74.74 | -3.47
22 | = | Armagh | 74.35 | 0.00
23 | = | Down | 72.94 | 0.00
24 | = | Louth | 72.90 | 0.00
25 | = | Wexford | 71.59 | 0.00
26 | = | Limerick | 70.80 | 0.00
27 | = | Antrim | 67.62 | 0.00
28 | = | Carlow | 63.64 | 0.00
29 | = | Leitrim | 63.28 | 0.00
30 | = | Wicklow | 59.36 | 0.00
31 | = | London | 57.61 | 0.00
32 | = | New York | 57.17 | 0.00
33 | = | Waterford | 56.82 | 0.00

L'prof

While I do enjoy reading this thread, perhaps the jumps after results can be too severe? Longford rising 6 places by beating Monaghon and then dropping 5 by losing to Cork being a prime example.

Jayop

Even if Tyrone win the all Ireland we can't go above Dublin I'd say.

padd b1975

Jayop wrote: »

Even if Tyrone win the all Ireland we can't go above Dublin I'd say.

If Dublin lose their quarter final, you should go close with some big wins.

Fr Tod Umptious

L'prof wrote: »

While I do enjoy reading this thread, perhaps the jumps after results can be too severe? Longford rising 6 places by beating Monaghon and then dropping 5 by losing to Cork being a prime example.

The table is good as an end of year ranking of teams.

Using it as a indication of status or ranking of teams on any given week is futile as the championship structure does not lend itself to making such rankings easy to calibrate.

Jayop

padd b1975 wrote: »

If Dublin lose their quarter final, you should go close with some big wins.

Not going to happen but even thinking it'd be possible warms my cockles.

padd b1975

Jayop wrote: »

Not going to happen but even thinking it'd be possible warms my cockles.

It's all about the silverware!

HanaleiJ5N

An other way of looking at Longford is that their last two games resulted in a net gain of one position. Started the year in 18th and are now.... 18th. In terms of league they're a D4 side so that ranking may appear high but they did knock two D1 sides (albeit one relegated) out of the championships, and both times away from home.

Best not to take this on a game by game basis!

The championship structure poses a problem. A bad league season can result in Played 7, lost 7, and 7 opportunities to lose points. A bad championship can mean played 2, lost 2. Most teams will only take a hit twice. So it has to be weighted accordingly, there will be some interesting moves throughout the championship but by and large things even themselves out as the season runs it's course.

laoisman11

Just realised that I hadn't posted up this week's games.........

Clare (88.12) vs Roscommon (86.80)
A first ever championship meeting for these sides who have been in action the 2 previous weekends. Clare have been making their way steadily through the qualifiers, accounting for Laois and Sligo while Roscommon stuttered their way through the Connacht championship before imploding in the replayed final. Roscommon have had a short turn-around from last Sunday and with the records of short-turn-around-losing-provincial-finalists not being the best, they will be under severe pressure to keep their dreams alive. Nevertheless, they had been playing at a much higher level than Clare during the league, and this could stand to them. Prediction: Roscommon by 2

Derry (89.01) vs Tipperary (82.92)
Another first-time championship meeting! Derry have turned their season around with good wins over Louth, Meath and Cavan but it is still difficult to rate the quality of the opposition they faced on this journey. Tipp will have been disappointed with their showing against Kerry and this, along with an extended break, will surely help their cause here. I'm finding it difficult to call, but the prediction model has no such problem. Derry by 4

Cork (90.91) vs Donegal (93.83)
The toughest possible draw for Cork? Possibly, but they will surely savour a crack off of Donegal suffering a hangover from a sapping Ulster final defeat. Both teams appear to have full selections to pick from. I have a sneaking suspicion for Donegal here, but it is going to be tight. Too tight to call for the prediction model. Draw

Mayo (94.01) vs Westmeath (85.50)
Fifteen years since the one and only championship meeting of these teams (which I remember well, I'm still shaking the cold out of my bones from the fridge that is Dr. Hyde Park), and Mayo have a chance to avenge that defeat. Kildare is the common denominator here, Westmeath snuck by them by 1 point while Mayo had 9 to spare over them in their most recent win. It could be a good indication of what might happen on Sunday. Prediction: Mayo by 6

PARlance

Cork vs Donegal and Mayo vs Westmeath are on this day week.

laoisman11

PARlance wrote: »

Cork vs Donegal and Mayo vs Westmeath are on this day week.

I'm getting ahead of myself........

laoisman11

Two huge results today, which see 4 Munster teams sitting (albeit temporarily) in the top 10.

• Clare hit their highest ever position in the rankings (dating from 1930!) after their impressive bonus point win over Roscommon
• Tipperary jump 7 places to 9th, their highest placement since August 1944

Teams in bold still involved in the SFC
#|Δ Rank|Team|Rating|Δ Rating
1 | = | Dublin | 111.55 | 0.00
2 | = | Kerry | 102.98 | 0.00
3 | = | Tyrone | 101.03 | 0.00
4 | = | Galway | 95.59 | 0.00
5 | = | Mayo | 94.01 | 0.00
6 | = | Donegal | 93.83 | 0.00
7 | ▲ 2 | Clare | 92.22 | 4.10
8 | ▼ | Cork | 90.91 | 0.00
9 | ▲ 7 | Tipperary | 87.14 | 4.22
10 | ▲ | Westmeath | 85.50 | 0.00
11 | ▼ 3 | Derry | 84.79 | -4.22
12 | = | Monaghan | 84.02 | 0.00
13 | = | Kildare | 83.99 | 0.00
14 | = | Fermanagh | 83.85 | 0.00
15 | = | Cavan | 83.23 | 0.00
16 | ▼ 6 | Roscommon | 82.70 | -4.10

Jayop

Only two Ulster teams in the top ten reflects a bad season for Ulster.

seligehgit

Jayop wrote: »

Only two Ulster teams in the top ten reflects a bad season for Ulster.

Not a bad spread amongst the provinces,who would have expected there to be 4 counties from Munster in the top 10?

J Cheever Loophole

Jayop wrote: »

Only two Ulster teams in the top ten reflects a bad season for Ulster.

Monaghan are undoubtedly a top ten team. The fact that they're not currently listed there is a reflection of the inadequacies of our football championship, rather than the excellence of Laoisman's work.

padd b1975

A rough couple of weeks for the Rossies.
Two defeats have cost them the thick end of nine points.

Surely there's an anomaly there that needs looking at?

Jayop

padd b1975 wrote: »

A rough couple of weeks for the Rossies.
Two defeats have cost them the thick end of nine points.

Surely there's an anomaly there that needs looking at?

If they are being beat by teams way lower then they deserve to lose those points.

keane2097

Roscommon gained a load of points for being at full tilt when the rest of Division 1 was still in hibernation, getting tanked by Galway and Clare should 100% be costing them a ton of points.

padd b1975

There wasn't a whole lot between themselves and Galway, seems a little punitive.....