Government to ban all fast food establishments within 15 minute walk of schools.

Headless Selfie

Pure nanny-state mentality from our overlords and absolute bolloxology. The system is rotten to the core. Whay can't we have education instead of this "computer says no" mentality of planning laws. Like the no alcohol after 10PM rule.

Apart from this being a stupid move, what defines a 15 minute walk? Could the legislation not have been a bit clearer and laid down in terms of kilometers?

Why is this suddenly the governments job to say what kids can and cannot eat?

What about chip shops that have already been established within 15 minute walks of a school?

What does this do for potential entrepreneurs who want to build a business near a school and that premises is the only vacant one nearby?

Are you for or against this move?

I am very much against it.

linky http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/govt-considers-no-fry-zone-ban-of-fast-food-outlets-near-schools-625527.html

Cookie_Monster

Agree, but the terms are too strict

that's at least 1.5km :eek: that's huge radius

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

Agree, but the terms are too strict

I think the police should have powers to forcibly remove stool samples from children to make sure their parents are feeding them enough vegetables so yes I would agree with this but only as a stepping stone.

Headless Selfie

Agree, but the terms are too strict

Would the 1.5 km be the way the crow flies or by road??

Sunglasses Ron

Is there any place, let alone a school,l in a built up area of Ireland that is currently 1.5km from a takeaway? I seriously doubt it.

mackerski

This would outlaw the concept of a village chipper.

Akrasia

If we tie the kids shoelaces together they can probably only walk a few hundred metres...

Aint Eazy Being Cheezy

Headless Selfie wrote: »

Would the 1.5 km be the way the crow flies or by road??

Is the crow walking or driving?

Headless Selfie

Agree, but the terms are too strict

Headless Selfie wrote: »

Would the 1.5 km be the way the crow flies or by road??

Duracell Bunny wrote: »

Is the crow walking or driving?

:rolleyes:

GLaDOS

Agree, but the terms are too strict

Can think of at least 4 places that would have to be shut down near my old school

Dempsey

Nanny State mentality.

Easier to educate parents and children on diet and exercise than enforce this nonsense

brightspark

Agree, but the terms are too strict

In most towns most of the schools would be easily within a 15 minute walk of the town centre.

Headless Selfie

Agree, but the terms are too strict

Will this affect chippers already established? Is the law retroactive?

Article implies it won't

From the atricle wrote:

National planning guidelines which would govern where takeaways could set up are currently passing thorough the consultation stage with the Government due to sign off on them in the coming months.

Mr E

So a school in a town centre would see all takeaways in the town centre shut down? Ridiculous.

Edit: If new takeaways only, it's equally redundant.

They should invest their time and energy into doing something that's realistic and practical.

Muise...

Duracell Bunny wrote: »

Is the crow walking or driving?

Driving - it's too obese to walk.

Eight Ball

What if the children are disabled and can't walk, surely this is discrimination?

Lucena

Misleading headline OP.

If you read the article, you'll find that the government 'considers' and 'reportedly thinking about' a ban.

"A coalition of health groups want to make outlets at least a 15-minute walk away for pupils, according to a report."

No mention of what report, by whom, when or anything that might identify it.

Bullsh*t article to bait the 'Nanny State' haters.

Eight Ball

Dempsey wrote: »

Nanny State mentality.

Easier to educate parents and children on diet and exercise than enforce this nonsense

Don't be silly that would be the smart thing to do, this is Ireland we can't have that.

Banjo String

Just watch the sales in segways and electric mobility scooters RISE!!!!

AulBiddy

This has to be bull, nearly every fast food shop would need to be closed down in the city centre

decisions

Agree, but the terms are too strict

So rather than educate parents and kids about nutrition, close all the local take aways? Will this also apply to the school cafeteria, the stuff sold in mine was all muck. What about shop delis, will the sale of wedges and breakfast rolls be outlawed?

Baneblade

Agree, but the terms are too strict

a good portion of dublin city center is within a 15min walk of schools so dont see it as being feisable, one school about 5mins from the ilac center
also 15mins as an old granny walks or 15mins as a kid rushing to the chipper walks, big distance gap there

The_Mask

Don't allow secondary school goers up to a certain age leave school premises until going homing time, put healthy eating facilities and maybe entertainment facilities on site....

Andy-Pandy

Just make sure they can't open during school hours. I'm struggling to think of a single chipper that is not within 1.5k of a school.

Headless Selfie

Agree, but the terms are too strict

Lucena wrote: »

Misleading headline OP.

If you read the article, you'll find that the government 'considers' and 'reportedly thinking about' a ban.

"A coalition of health groups want to make outlets at least a 15-minute walk away for pupils, according to a report."

No mention of what report, by whom, when or anything that might identify it.

Bullsh*t article to bait the 'Nanny State' haters.

You'll see I acknowledged that a number of times in my posts.

Headless Selfie wrote: »

Will this affect chippers already established? Is the law retroactive?

Article implies it won't

National planning guidelines which would govern where takeaways could set up are currently passing thorough the consultation stage with the Government due to sign off on them in the coming months

Headless Selfie

Agree, but the terms are too strict

A lot of chippers only open in the evening anyway. Primary school children cannot leave the premises now, and a lot of secondary school kids are not allowed off premises until they reach 5th year, at that stage I think they're old enough to choose :rolleyes:

Capt'n Midnight

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

that's at least 1.5km :eek: that's huge radius

Nah 15 minute walk is only about 500m for the fat kids :pac:

Completely insane. They use the same rules for some drug crimes. And in cities with high population density this more or less covers the bulk of the population and area.


Think of it like this - how many schools do you know that are within 1.5Km of another one ?

There are about 3,300 Primary schools here , 1.5Km radius is 7Km2 area so total area 23,000 Km2 out of 70,273 km2 for the entire country.

bumper234

What if they decide to build a school in an area where a chipper has been for 20 years? Would this "fast food" outlets include the likes of Spar, Centra, Teso deli counters?

Headless Selfie

Agree, but the terms are too strict

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

There are about 3,300 Primary schools here , 1.5Km radius is 7Km2 area so total area 23,000 Km2 out of 70,273 km2 for the entire country.

Very well put

There are 3 chippers in my town, two near the primary and one near the secondary. They have been here for years. I acknowledged that I don't think the rule is retroactive, but if it isn't, which wouldn't surprise me in this country, then they will all have to shut their doors. One of the chippers has been there since the 50's. They'll probably stop new ones from opening and put some levy or extra tax on the already existing ones.

What about Indian / Thai / Chinese ?? They sell health food too (or at least in some cases).

gramar

Abrakebadra will disappear!

gramar

Wouldn't it just be easier to make it illegal to serve anyone under 18 in a chipper as is the case with alcohol in pubs?

Tar.Aldarion

Agree, but the terms are too strict

Apparently I disagree, but I'm not sure. Great poll option

Lucena

Headless Selfie wrote: »

National planning guidelines which would govern where takeaways could set up are currently passing thorough the consultation stage with the Government due to sign off on them in the coming months

National planning guidelines exist, I'd imagine, for all types of buildings and businesses. Nothing in the article says that the 1.5km limit is included in the guidelines.

Tell you what, I'll bet 100 quid to your 1 quid that the ban never happens.

Sunglasses Ron

Andy-Pandy wrote: »

Just make sure they can't open during school hours. .

Brilliant idea. The rest of us should have no right to a chipper for lunch

Agree, but the terms are too strict

Jesus h christ

jester77

lol, there are 3 schools in my local town, every chipper would have to close down.

Going to trademark my new chipper, 16 min chipper

brightspark

Agree, but the terms are too strict

Capt'n Midnight wrote: »

Think of it like this - how many schools do you know that are within 1.5Km of another one ?

There are about 3,300 Primary schools here , 1.5Km radius is 7Km2 area so total area 23,000 Km2 out of 70,273 km2 for the entire country.

Some are very close. In Tullamore, the boys primary school is adjacent, but separate from the girls school.

Two of the secondary schools would also be on adjacent sites, despite their entrances being located on different roads.

Gummy Panda

Forget the chippers. Those poxy chicken fillet rolls they eat must be the worse

Frank Lee Midere

Agree, but the terms are too strict

Even most of Dublin would have to shut its fast food outlets. The schools tend to be located in or close to the various village and town centres which make up Dublins suburbs. As are the chippers. The city centre itself has schools within 15 minutes walk of O'Connell st. Mad proposal.

sammyjo90

Jaysus every chipper in ennis would have to shut down, four secondary schools in the middle of a town that only takes about 15 mins to walk from the the one furthest away..madness

OldNotWIse

Agree, but the terms are too strict

Does anyone ever consider the inconvenience this might cause to adults? None of these measures work anyway, the little sh1ts are still getting fatter. Take away the xboxes and send them out to play (quietly).

Lucena

Frank Lee Midere wrote: »

Even most of Dublin would have to shut its fast food outlets. The schools tend to be located in or close to the various village and town centres which make up Dublins suburbs. As are the chippers. The city centre itself has schools within 15 minutes walk of O'Connell st. Mad proposal.

If you read the article, the 'proposal' is based on 'a report'.

It's bullsh*t space-filler masquerading as proper journalism.

asteroth

If the rule pertains to existing shops then it is nothing short of cretinous.
Just thinking about my old stomping ground....let's take a stroll from Whitehall into town. We have St Plunkett's secondary school, then St. Patrick's primary, then O'Connell's. This would mean that every chipper, kebab shop, chinese takeaway, pizza place from Swords road down through Drumcoondra and along Dorset Street and trust me there are scores of the gaffs would have to be shuttered. That whole street would look like it had been evacuated.

If these schmucks are concerned about kids eating chips then why don't they just pass a friggin law stating that kids can't buy chips during their lunch break. Have Mr. Chang or Mrs. Fusco id them monday to friday between 12:30 and 1:30 FFS. And even that's stupid.
Why shutdown or bar the business?

Wossack

reckon you could stretch a good 10 mins by making an elaborate rope barrier maze outside your chipper - a la customs in the airport

Roger_007

But you can still buy your cigs within the 1.5km radius. Phew!

oldyouth

Agree, but the terms are too strict

Close down all schools within a 15 minute walk of a chipper I say

Lucena

Let them try to close the chippers within a 15 minutes walk of Ferrycarrig Park!

flutered

what about the filling stations, the spars, the centras etc, also the sweet shops, cant have a slurry chip, have two mars bars instead.

jimgoose

Agree, but the terms are too strict

Ridiculous.

Cee-Jay-Cee

Agree, but the terms are too strict

Excuse my French but what a complete and utter crock of fcuking Shiite! If their crass proposal was introduced and included existing take always etc then every single chipper, take away and restaurant in my home town would have to close. It's not going to happen, ever. More bull**** proposals by Kenny & Co. ****.

Lucena

CJC999 wrote: »

Excuse my French but what a complete and utter crock of fcuking Shiite! If their crass proposal was introduced and included existing take always etc then every single chipper, take away and restaurant in my home town would have to close. It's not going to happen, ever. More bull**** proposals by Kenny & Co. ****.

Read the bloody article, sh1t as it is, will you?