Inconsistencies and Nit Picking *SPOILERS FOR AMC PACE*

Timmyctc

Cork boy 55 wrote: »

The grass/foilage is being eaten by Animals
Animals eat grass Their populations are exploding with collapse in agriculture and humanity. Many types of animals eat grass as their main source of food, and are called graminivores – these include cattle, sheep, horses, rabbits and many invertebrates, such as grasshoppers and the caterpillars of many brown butterflies. Grasses are also eaten by omnivorous or even occasionally by primarily carnivorous animals.


Different biters have different abilities/attributes depending on range of factors
They are not Ford fiestas MK2.

Soap Opera? , what are you expecting to see?
its an extended post-apocalypse survival show, about a small group of wretched refugees. farming, foraging trying to find a shelter, bandits and biters
Sin e

Arah its all well and good saying that now but most of the time its ridiculous. One zombie ripped Dale's intestines apart with his hands. He couldn't hold onto Carl's leg. One zombie 90% of the time causes a bit of a struggle if it grapples you. 15 Zombies couldn't even hold Glenn in one place because he had a bit of Swat gear on. They can use a blunt object to destroy a zombies brain but somehow Daryl managed to use a zombie as a bullet shield against 5.56mm Rounds fired from an M4 from a range of about 20 yards. They never intend to make it out as "zombies with different abilities" they're just inconsistent writers.

My main gripes are the continuity in the forests. 1 second they'll be in dense shurbbery and they'll see bushes shaking as walkers make noise and approach (Cue 1 dimensional fight scene) *Camera angle change* They're in that same ****ing Forest where the trees are sparcely spaced apart and there are lines of sight in all directions.

Stealthy walkers. They moan and fumble their way around 99% of the time. But then they manage to sneak up on you, in the middle of a forest -_-

My main gripe is the writing in Season 4. Coupled with Carl's acting. The scene where he and Michonne are talking and he says

"Haha I'd even rather have Judiths Formula........ " was one of the most cringeworthy acting displays in recent memory.

Give me the action scenes from Season 1 and the dialogue from season two and we're golden.

Paddy Cow

lynski wrote: »

yeah i know that, but he was one lone looper, he might not be right, eugene and corporal carrott seems to say differently (and who sent them on their mission?)
Even if that was the case, you would think that they would have those chats with the others they meet?
anyway just a niggle.

He was a looper but not completely mad. He showed Rick the scan of how the virus attacked the brain and he had been doing research right up until the end. He desperately wanted to find a cure but couldn't. He gave up because the other centres he had been in contact had had no results either and had eventually gone off line.

If someone from the CDC who had every resource available to him couldn't give any answers, then I am extremely sceptical that Eugene can give them. It's been nearly two years and suddenly a random person holds the clue? Eugene is clearly very intelligent but what access has he had to a lab? What trials has he done? I know he says he was in touch with scientists in Washington but until they elaborate further on just why Eugene is so important, I'll take it with a pinch of salt.

Getting back to the survivors, that is what they are - survivors. Most of them at this stage have lost not only everyone they knew and loved but a couple of groups as well. It's surprising that they haven't given up the will to live! Hope can be a wonderful thing but it can also be a killer. They don't have time to indulge in fantasies. They touched on it with Beth and Daryl. Beth was saying how she hoped the prison would be a safe haven and Glynn and Maggie would have a baby and Hershel would be a grandfather. After having that hope completely and utterly destroyed (and by humans, not walkers) is it any wonder that they don't all talk about such things when they just meet other people?

Meeting another group where they can be safe is the survivors priority. They don't talk about hope or plans for the future because in their world, surviving is as good as it gets. We can judge them from behind the safety of our computer screens but if after two years, all I had seen was everyone dying and having to do sometimes despicable things things to survive, I'm not sure I'd have the emotional strength to bond with others and share our stories of hope for the future.

A lot of the inconsistencies about the Walking Dead drive me mad (usually plot holes) but I think they have got the survival mentality right. People like Michonne and Daryl took a long time to open up to others because they had been damaged by the seemingly futility of it all. It's a catch 22 - you need people to survive but if you get close to people and look for a cure, you're going to be disappointed and your mental health will take a battering. Most of the characters have resigned themselves to the world they now live in and they do their best to adapt.

Timmyctc

Paddy Cow wrote: »

If someone from the CDC who had every resource available to him couldn't give any answers, then I am extremely sceptical that Eugene can give them. It's been nearly two years and suddenly a random person holds the clue? Eugene is clearly very intelligent but what access has he had to a lab? What trials has he done? I know he says he was in touch with scientists in Washington but until they elaborate further on just why Eugene is so important, I'll take it with a pinch of salt.

It was said that Renner? Jenner? Jenner was 'just a lab technician' and that his Wife, TS-19 was a proper scientist. He mentioned that if she had survived and he had been the Test subject she would have found a cure

Paddy Cow

Timmyctc wrote: »

It was said that Renner? Jenner? Jenner was 'just a lab technician' and that his Wife, TS-19 was a proper scientist. He mentioned that if she had survived and he had been the Test subject she would have found a cure

For just a lab technician he was highly skilled. I would be willing to believe that if his wife survived she had the knowledge to work towards a cure but seeing as how they are both dead, it is doesn't matter. With regards Eugene, on the one hand I want him to have a cure but on the other, we don't know enough about his background to know if he really knows what is going on or if he just thinks he has a cure. All we have been told is that he has the answer and his life is more valuable than anyone else's. For all we know Abraham and Lara Croft rescued him from a research facility but for now all we have is their word.

Timmyctc

Paddy Cow wrote: »

For just a lab technician he was highly skilled. I would be willing to believe that if his wife survived she had the knowledge to work towards a cure but seeing as how they are both dead, it is doesn't matter.

I mean I'm just quoting the character. Jenner explains he wasn't anything special in the CDC and his Wife, TS-19 was like a lead scientitian (Totally not a made up word) and says she probably would have had a cure if she had the (substantial) amount of time working with the disease as Jenner had.

Paddy Cow

Timmyctc wrote: »

I mean I'm just quoting the character. Jenner explains he wasn't anything special in the CDC and his Wife, TS-19 was like a lead scientitian (Totally not a made up word) and says she probably would have had a cure if she had the (substantial) amount of time working with the disease as Jenner had.

I can see where you are coming from. Jenner was astute enough to know that his wife was far more knowledgeable than him and might've found a cure. She still would've needed a fully equipped lab. As much as I want Eugene to have a cure, without any background knowledge on him, it's hard to take his claims at face value.

While Jenner admitted that he was just a technician at the lab, the tests he carried out were very specific and required a high degree of knowledge. If a lab technician was that skilled then it's not beyond the realms of possibility that someone with an even higher skill set could have gone even further in the discovery of a cure.

My problem with Eugene is that I don't see how someone who has been on the run for nearly two years, with no access to labs, and is so inadequate when it comes to survival that he shoots his vehicle to pieces, suddenly has the answer to everything and the world has to pin their hopes on his survival.

We need more background information on Eugene and co. Maybe Abraham and Lara Croft saved him from a lab that got over run while he was doing important experiments but there has to be a reason why Abraham is so hell bent on risking everything for Eugene. Eugene hasn't been forthcoming with how he plans on saving the world but he is convinced that he can.

I am intrigued to see how the Eugene story line plays out. I would dearly like for him to have a cure as ever since I learned that everyone is infected and no matter what you do, you will turn, survival has seemed a bit pointless? Pointless might be too strong a word (maybe hopeless is better) but even if the survivors find a safe place, they will still be at risk from each other.

A cure would be the ultimate goal and I hope that Eugene can make good on his promises. Otherwise what's the point? Even if the group find a safe haven, if there is no chance of them surviving, what are they living for?

jimmy180sx

Paddy Cow wrote: »

For just a lab technician he was highly skilled. I would be willing to believe that if his wife survived she had the knowledge to work towards a cure but seeing as how they are both dead, it is doesn't matter. With regards Eugene, on the one hand I want him to have a cure but on the other, we don't know enough about his background to know if he really knows what is going on or if he just thinks he has a cure. All we have been told is that he has the answer and his life is more valuable than anyone else's. For all we know Abraham and Lara Croft rescued him from a research facility but for now all we have is their word.

Lara croft..(school boy giggles)....actually now that you say it, they were damn short shorts, next elisode.....cargo pants.

username123

It wouldn't surprise me if Eugene's "cure" is the tale of how it was done in some video game or apocalypse.

Teyla Emmagan

Eugene hasn't a clue what's going on. Those 3 are just collateral damage waiting to happen. I do like Captain Carrot though, he's kinda brilliant.

Teyla Emmagan

Oh yeah, Hershel's leg - the greatest WTF of them all. Old man loses leg below the knee, spends however long hobbling on two crutches, gets a prosthetic leg, inside a couple of episodes is standing and walking like nothing every happened! A perfectly sound, expertly fitting prosthetic leg just happened to be hanging around in Armageddon which has melded beautifully with his somehow not infected stump leg.

He was very lucky, that's all I have to say.

StaticAge11

Teyla Emmagan wrote: »

Oh yeah, Hershel's leg - the greatest WTF of them all. Old man loses leg below the knee, spends however long hobbling on two crutches, gets a prosthetic leg, inside a couple of episodes is standing and walking like nothing every happened! A perfectly sound, expertly fitting prosthetic leg just happened to be hanging around in Armageddon which has melded beautifully with his somehow not infected stump leg.

He was very lucky, that's all I have to say.

As far as I remember he was hobbling up until the end of series 3, then there was a gap of a few months before season 4 started, giving him plenty of time to adjust to a prostetic

Timmyctc

What about when the pigs were sick. Rick and Carl trying to work out what was ailing them when Herschel (A fcuking veterinarian was in the fcuking prison too.)

Naux

Timmyctc wrote: »

What about when the pigs were sick. Rick and Carl trying to work out what was ailing them when Herschel (A fcuking veterinarian was in the fcuking prison too.)

Jaysus never thought of that one but that's just downright bad writing.

Marcus Antonius

Paddy Cow wrote: »

We need more background information on Eugene and co. Maybe Abraham and Lara Croft saved him from a lab that got over run while he was doing important experiments but there has to be a reason why Abraham is so hell bent on risking everything for Eugene. Eugene hasn't been forthcoming with how he plans on saving the world but he is convinced that he can.

I think it's that he provides hope. Lots of people on the thread have been saying that everybody has given up at this point. Between Janner telling them there is no cure, the various people they've lost along the way and the appalling things that they've seen fellow human beings do to one another. Eugene provides hope for Abraham. A promise of salvation. Wither he has the cure or not only time will tell but I'd argue that's why Abraham is so hell bent on protecting him.

Cartman78

Timmyctc wrote: »

What about when the pigs were sick. Rick and Carl trying to work out what was ailing them when Herschel (A fcuking veterinarian was in the fcuking prison too.)

He was probably back in the prison using laser technology to sculpt the perfectly formed prosthetic limb for himself

2 things which are always in the back of my mind -

- Does anyone know how much time has elapsed since the first episode??

- Everything seems to be within a half hour walk of where any character is at any given time eg. The farm, the prison, Woodberry Common

Anyway, doesn't really matter too much either way...love the show despite all it's flaws

DoozerT6

Cartman78 wrote: »

2 things which are always in the back of my mind -

- Does anyone know how much time has elapsed since the first episode??

- Everything seems to be within a half hour walk of where any character is at any given time eg. The farm, the prison, Woodberry Common

Anyway, doesn't really matter too much either way...love the show despite all it's flaws

Well, judging by how old Judith is on the show, (around 9 months or so??) I would imagine that it's probably less than two years or so post-whateverthehellhappened. Lori discovered she was pregnant on Hershels farm, they had been on the road a few (??) months at that stage, plus nine months of pregnancy, plus approx. nine months post birth. I may stand corrected on that.

Regarding your second point, yeah it does seem like everything is/was within spitting distance of each other, but when you're on foot, and maybe not in peak physical condition due to malnutrition, fatigue or injury, a few miles becomes a significant distance. It would make sense that the writers would base the show within a seemingly tight geographical circle - roadworthy vehicles are in short supply now, and fuel in an abandoned car's tank would have degraded to be unreliable at best. They want to show the conflicts a ZA can induce among ordinary people, so these people have to be close (geographically) to each other. I guess realistically, before reliable travel, there may have been generations of people who would never have travelled more than 20 miles from their home!

Ken.

http://walkingdead.wikia.com/wiki/Television_Show_Timeline

Day 0 Global Outbreak begins.

Day +506 The next day, Michonne happens across the barbecue stand that Rick and Carl visited two days before. Inside, she drops to the floor and begins to have a conversation with her dead lover, Mike. She says that she misses him, even when she was with him, and says to him that it wasn't he who "did it," perhaps referring to the possibility of him killing their son out of mercy, to take him out of this world. She says that he was wrong, because she is still there, and he and their son could be as well. She knows the answer (to Mike's question in her nightmare, which seemed to be "Why should we continue?"), she says; she knows why. She departs from the shack and continues after Carl and Rick's tracks.
Meanwhile, Rick is awake and lightly reprimands his son for going outside, but he says it is good that he found food. Carl tells him about the pudding and they share a laugh. More seriously, Rick says that he knows that they'll never get things back to the way they used to be, but says he only clung to the prison for his children. He tells Carl that he, Carl, is a man, and that he is sorry, but Carl tells him that he does not need to be sorry.

Cork boy 55

Timmyctc wrote: »

What about when the pigs were sick. Rick and Carl trying to work out what was ailing them when Herschel (A fcuking veterinarian was in the fcuking prison too.)

Naux wrote: »

Jaysus never thought of that one but that's just downright bad writing.

NO it is not bad writing,
There is nothing wrong with that scene, there is no indication that Hershel did not look at the Pigs already or was asked to look at them later. Hershel mentions the sick pigs later in the series when they discussing the possible cause of the outbreak of the super-flu

Junco Partner

Cartman78 wrote: »

2 things which are always in the back of my mind -

- Does anyone know how much time has elapsed since the first episode??

- Everything seems to be within a half hour walk of where any character is at any given time eg. The farm, the prison, Woodberry Common

I think at this point its coming up on two years.

regarding the closeness of everything I think that just has tho do with the 40 minute run time. In the comics every scouting run or trip is a 2 or 3 day affair.

Ken.

I should have elaborated on my post above. The bit under the spoiler tags is exactly how many days its been since the start of the outbreak.

Paddy Cow

Cartman78 wrote: »

He was probably back in the prison using laser technology to sculpt the perfectly formed prosthetic limb for himself

2 things which are always in the back of my mind -

- Does anyone know how much time has elapsed since the first episode??

- Everything seems to be within a half hour walk of where any character is at any given time eg. The farm, the prison, Woodberry Common

Anyway, doesn't really matter too much either way...love the show despite all it's flaws

It's been nearly two years since the out break.

At the end of season two, when the horde made them leave the farm, at one stage they were holed up in some sort of safe keeping for the night. The camera panned out and the prison could be seen from the background.

When it came to season three, they were looking at maps and were trying to find places that the horde hadn't gone through. It was implied that they spent the winter circling the surrounding area so that they would avoid the horde. They eventually found the prison after circling back on their tracks and checking out an area they thought would be free of the horde. It's worth noting that Daryl and Rick found the prison when they were walking along train tracks. Maybe if they hadn't found the prison they would've ended up at Terminus.

I wonder how long did it take the people at Terminus to turn into what they became. Everyone at the prison had been part of a group at least twice and none of them resorted to the mindset of Terminus. The people of Terminus have said that they have been there from the beginning, so to survive that long they would've had to have turned to extreme measures fairly early.

We've all heard the story about the plane that crashed in the Andes and the survivors had to basically eat the dead to live. That I can understand, even if it's fcuked up. The Terminus people take it to a whole other level though. They actively trap people and fatten them up before eating them :eek:

It would make you think. If the world had become that fcuked up, would you not only engage in cannibalism as a last resort but would you trick other people into becoming your dinner?

I don't think I could do it (but they do they do say never say never!).

By the way, has anyone ever eaten fava beans? I've never actually seen a recipe that requires them so I'm curious if they are a real thing? (by real thing I mean a fairly normal veg that people eat with dinner)

Dandelion6

Paddy Cow wrote: »

By the way, has anyone ever eaten fava beans? I've never actually seen a recipe that requires them so I'm curious if they are a real thing? (by real thing I mean a fairly normal veg that people eat with dinner)

Yes, they're called broad beans here.

Eoin247

Is there some logic behind the walkers and rotting? I mean if their entire body rotted normally from day one then surely they wouldn't be able to be walking still two years later? Maybe only the peripherals rot or something, i don't know...

I was just thinking there actually. If these people are cannibals, then aren't they kinda like super-powered walkers?

Washington Irving

Eoin247 wrote: »

Is there some logic behind the walkers and rotting? I mean if their entire body rotted normally from day one then surely they wouldn't be able to be walking still two years later? Maybe only the peripherals rot or something, i don't know...

I don't know either but I'd imagine they stop rotting once they reanimate. The reason for them seeming to fall apart so easily would probably be down to those that were partially eaten and infection of the wounded areas set in and spread, as well as decomposition in those that took longer to come back.