The Max Clifford Trial Continues

mark13

The jury in the trial of Max Clifford had to be sent out for laughing this afternoon as an alleged victim gave graphic evidence in relation to the man’s penis size.

The court heard how the woman, one of seven alleged victims of sexual assaults by the publicist, was advised to go and see him in 1983, when she was about 17.

Then an aspiring fashion model, she described how Mr Clifford allegedly locked the door, groped her and tried to make her perform oral sex on him.

The court has previously heard claims that his penis is “tiny” and no more than two-and-a-half inches when erect.

The woman, who is now 48, said in her evidence today that she thought Mr Clifford was well-endowed and his penis was very large.

“I had only seen one before, I had never seen one in that proximity and that situation,” she said.

When Richard Horwell QC, defending, asked her about the issue, the woman remarked: “I have a small mouth. I do, my dentist has always said…”

This prompted laughter from the jury, which was sent out for a few minutes.

Jurors returned to be told by judge Anthony Leonard QC: “It is inevitable in a case dealing with this sort of graphic detail that members of the jury want to burst out laughing.

“I can remember a very boring court case and we - I wasn't a judge then - became helpless with laughter and the judge had tears in his eyes and it took over 25 minutes to recover.

“But we have got to remember that this is a court of law and we are dealing with serious allegations, and, in fairness to the witness, and the rest of the court, you have got to learn not to react to what's happening. Can I ask you to settle down and remember where you are?”

Southwark Crown Court heard how Mr Clifford locked the door when the woman went into his office to see him.

He allegedly told her that he wanted to see her figure and told her to take her dress off, which she did reluctantly, partly because she was wearing a thermal vest and holey tights, as she was “poverty stricken” and had only one pair.

“I hadn't gone there thinking 'I'm going to see a photographer', I thought I was going to get career advice,” she said.

She said Mr Clifford was “overcome”, at which point the alleged indecent assault began.

Afterwards, the woman told the court, Mr Clifford said he wanted her to come to dinner with him and his wife and Cubby Broccoli, and masturbate him under the table while he sat next to his wife.

“Then he went on to say I may need to sleep with Cubby Broccoli, but I would get a part in a Bond film,” she said. “I loathe James Bond films.”

She went back to the hotel where she was staying, and stayed in bed for a number of days, telling staff not to put Mr Clifford's calls through as he rang “relentlessly”, she said.

The woman told her sister and some friends what had happened. “I would get upset when I saw him on television and he complained about his privacy,” she said.

The woman said she rang police when she saw that Mr Clifford had been arrested.

Mr Clifford, from Hersham in Surrey, is accused of 11 counts of indecent assault against seven women and girls. He denies all the charges.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/max-clifford-penis-size-evidence-sees-trial-jury-sent-out-by-judge-for-laughing-9200015.html

Banjo String

mark13 wrote: »

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/max-clifford-penis-size-evidence-sees-trial-jury-sent-out-by-judge-for-laughing-9200015.html

Fcuking hell mark, don't hold back there. Do you really feel that strongly about this case

DesperateDan

What a little creep. Something about the whole affair puts no doubt in my mind he's guilty, but I don't really know what :pac:

Flippyfloppy

Who hates Max Clifford? All the cr@p from his trial being posted on Sky News, he really seems like an uppity, narcissistic excuse for a human being!!

lukesmom

Found guilty

Lou.m

MaxClifford found guilty of 8 counts of sexual assault. Child abuse. I know one victim was aged 15.

Fred Swanson

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Cantona's Collars

Sky News showed a video of them reporting on the trial when he stood behind the reporter & just looked creepy.
Never liked the guy before these revelations came out,hope he gets all the sex he doesn't want in prison.

WilyCoyote

I hope he doesn't get a reduced sentence because of it

Penny Tration

I'm glad that he was found guilty. Hopefully it'll give his poor victims some peace of mind.

Can't imagine how hard it was for them in later years, after the abuse, when he was all over the media channels.

sillyoulfool

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0428/612441-max-clifford-court/

josip

Hurrah. Glee.

anto9

Wondering if he will get to do a spell in prison though ? Will have to wait till Friday .

keano_afc

He need to get himself a good publicist.

Donkey Oaty

This extract from an interview with the Daily Telegraph in 2005 tells you everything you need to know about the character of the man.

I wondered if it was possible for him to define the pleasure he gets from exposing someone's indiscretions. Clifford does not hesitate. "With David Beckham [shagged the PA] it was money. A lot of money. With Jude Law [shagged the nanny] I was able to use that to do all sorts of deals for other clients of mine. I could say to an editor, I'll give you this story if you help publicise something else I'm involved with. With David Mellor [shagged an actress] it was the pleasure of helping to bring down the Conservative Party. With Jeffrey Archer [allegedly shagged a prostitute, then told whopping shaggy-dog story to cover it up] it was the pleasure of doing something that no one on Fleet Street had managed to do.
"Then with Sven [shagged the PA] - that was really a pop at the FA. It also gave me money that I could use to get treatment for a little kid with cancer, or raise money for a hospice. The pleasure changes from story to story, but I always love the sense of being at the centre of everything and being in control."

Read that second-last sentence again.

Bleeuuurgh.

Yakuza

keano_afc wrote: »

He need to get himself a good publicist.

Bah, you beat me to it
I was coming here to post the exact same thing!

Holsten

zerks wrote: »

Sky News showed a video of them reporting on the trial when he stood behind the reporter & just looked creepy.
Never liked the guy before these revelations came out,hope he gets all the sex he doesn't want in prison.

You hope he is raped in prison?

Lovely. :rolleyes:

Santa Cruz

Holsten wrote: »

You hope he is raped in prison?

Lovely. :rolleyes:

It's not rape if he consents

Menas

Very important verdict for the whole of operation Yewtree. If he had walked the CPS would have been under a lot of presure not to continue with these cases as lack of evidence seemed to be making a conviction hard.

16 arrests. 7 no further action. 5 on bail. 1 on trial. 1 not guilty. 1 guilty. 1 dead.

But this jury has convicted so hopefully more will follow.
A lot of wrongs need righting.

Fred Swanson

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Menas

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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You are right....sadly.

Santa Cruz

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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I may be wrong but i don't think it works that way in the UK.

take everything

This guy embodies everything that's wrong with the world today.
The bit where he walks up behind a reporter who is reporting on his trial and desperately attempts to parody the reporter in front of the camera, trying to make some statement about the media presumably. But given he was the doyen of this media culture, I'm not sure what his point was so it just seemed like a desperate, confused last attempt at controlling it.
Odious turd.

Wasn't Max a regular on Irish tv chat shows? Can't remember if it was the Late Late or Saturday night stuff. Good old RTE.

Fred Swanson

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Yeah to be honest I always found him really interesting when being interviewed. He used to talk about the death of his wife which was really powerful stuff.

farmerjj

Deleted User wrote: »

Wasn't Max a regular on Irish tv chat shows? Can't remember if it was the Late Late or Saturday night stuff. Good old RTE.

:rolleyes:

Yakuza

Deleted User wrote: »

Wasn't Max a regular on Irish tv chat shows? Can't remember if it was the Late Late or Saturday night stuff. Good old RTE.

I think he was on 2FM a fair bit as well, Gerry Ryan IIRC.
Ryan Confidential had him too : http://www.rte.ie/tv/ryanconfidential/maxclifford.html

lukesmom

I always liked him, pretty shocked to be honest.

Tin Foil Hat

lukesmom wrote: »

I always liked him, pretty shocked to be honest.

I'm pretty shocked myself - I can't believe anyone liked him.

4zn76tysfajdxp

Deleted User wrote: »

Wasn't Max a regular on Irish tv chat shows? Can't remember if it was the Late Late or Saturday night stuff. Good old RTE.

Not since he was found guilty, I think.

Stavros Murphy

Karmas a bitch.

Soft Falling Rain

I also saw that piece on Sky News. His sneering attitude towards the victims was horrible, and what I found utterly bizarre was his interactions with reporters. Coolness personified doing his damage limitation spiel as if he was doing his own PR campaign.

You'd swear he thought this was one of his usual bollox stunts in front of the media. I don't think the chap even realises the enormity of the situation and what he's potentially facing.

take everything

Soft Falling Rain wrote: »

I also saw that piece on Sky News. His sneering attitude towards the victims was horrible, and what I found utterly bizarre was his interactions with reporters. Coolness personified doing his damage limitation spiel as if he was doing his own PR campaign.

You'd swear he thought this was one of his usual bollox stunts in front of the media. I don't think the chap even realises the enormity of the situation and what he's potentially facing.

He'll milk this for anything he can get out of it.
Don't worry, i can imagine him (if he's forced to) accepting the role of villain to get what he wants out of it- maybe a tell-all book that the usual mouthbreathers will lap up.

Kristopherus

I just hope he has a long life........rotting in jail.

mikom

Score two for Theroux.

AnonoBoy

mikom wrote: »

Score two for Theroux.

I'd say Fred Phelps is thankful he's dead at this stage!

WilyCoyote

For once, I hope that the sentence is in indirect proportion to the, ah, size of his appendage!

bogwalrus

How many years is he expected to get?

Rough Sleeper

lukesmom wrote: »

I always liked him, pretty shocked to be honest.

I know, I just can't believe that someone who made a career out of prying into private lives and generally profiting on the misery of others could turn out to be a character of moral turpitude.

everlast75

take everything wrote: »

This guy embodies everything that's wrong with the world today.
The bit where he walks up behind a reporter who is reporting on his trial and desperately attempts to parody the reporter in front of the camera, trying to make some statement about the media presumably. But given he was the doyen of this media culture, I'm not sure what his point was so it just seemed like a desperate, confused last attempt at controlling it.
Odious turd.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMB_e0PH3Hg

lukesmom

Rough Sleeper wrote: »

I know, I just can't believe that someone who made a career out of prying into private lives and generally profiting on the misery of others could turn out to be a character of moral turpitude.

Ok I admit I didn't know a whole lot about him.

Menas

bogwalrus wrote: »

How many years is he expected to get?

They reckon just 2 years which seems very low. We will see what the judge thinks.

He was not really a PR guru in my book. There was an interesting discussion about him on the radio this morning.
He spined and sold stories to the tabloids on behalf of his clients, that was how he earned his money. On top of helping some celebs get out of trouble by ensuring no negative stories about them got in the press.
Some of the stories he sold had blatant lies in them, David Mellor and the Chelsea jersey for example.
He also talked up his own credentials saying that he did PR for the beatles and Frank Sinatra. Also lies. He worked on the fringes at best for them.

bogwalrus

Trigger Happy wrote: »

They reckon just 2 years which seems very low. We will see what the judge thinks.

He was not really a PR guru in my book. There was an interesting discussion about him on the radio this morning.
He spined and sold stories to the tabloids on behalf of his clients, that was how he earned his money. On top of helping some celebs get out of trouble by ensuring no negative stories about them got in the press.
Some of the stories he sold had blatant lies in them, David Mellor and the Chelsea jersey for example.
He also talked up his own credentials saying that he did PR for the beatles and Frank Sinatra. Also lies. He worked on the fringes at best for them.

That really is way too low. I mean there are probably hundreds of people in the UK that have been charged with one sex offense and given the two years.

Does the judge not look at previous cases and their sentencing as a guideline?

I remember watching the Louis Theroux episode and thinking Max was some weirdo altogether. Louis really got under his skin and we got to see the real Max Clifford for a while.

I think the man has some serious delusions and that might be from working in the industry too long.

tritium

Trigger Happy wrote: »

Very important verdict for the whole of operation Yewtree. If he had walked the CPS would have been under a lot of presure not to continue with these cases as lack of evidence seemed to be making a conviction hard.

16 arrests. 7 no further action. 5 on bail. 1 on trial. 1 not guilty. 1 guilty. 1 dead.

But this jury has convicted so hopefully more will follow.
A lot of wrongs need righting.

I've mixed feelings on this one tbh. Im delighted that he's been convicted if he's guilty. However I worry that the CPS will use this as a shield to cover themselves from the absolute mess they made with bill roache, Michael Le vell etc. They've effectively ruined lives and will be unaccountable for it. meanwhile certain groups will use it as proof of why anonymity for the accused is a bad thing

Holsten

tritium wrote: »

They've effectively ruined lives and will be unaccountable for it. meanwhile certain groups will use it as proof of why anonymity for the accused is a bad thing

What groups are these?

What is the argument against anonymity for people accused of crimes?

Blows my mind that the papers can legally plaster all of this info over their pages without a conviction.

lukesmom

Sentenced to 8 years imprisonment!

bogwalrus

lukesmom wrote: »

Sentenced to 8 years imprisonment!

Was not expecting that. Will he only do 4 really though?

josip

:eek:

Lapin

Couldn't find the existing thread on this case.

Eight years.

Good enough for the little prick.

He'll serve a minimum of half that.

EDIT: Just found the other thread - Feel free to bang this one up.

Bipolar Joe

lukesmom wrote: »

Sentenced to 8 years imprisonment!

Link?