sexualisation of st.patricks day parade

fran17

woke this morning to hear about enda Kenny's trip to boston and of course the controversy surrounding boston mayor marty walsh and issues with "lgbt" involvement in the parade.this comes after new York mayor bill de blasio and joan burton refusing to march in the new York parade because "lgbt" members cannot wave there banners in it.
is it right that our national holiday should make headlines around the world because of a grouping who's only difference is there sexual preference?

bnt

St. Patrick's Day, sexualised? It's based on a myth about a guy who rid Ireland of "snakes" - a blatant metaphor for sex if I ever saw one. So, maybe it could do with a bit of sexualisation ...

Birneybau

What if it was a racial difference? Why, in this day and age does it matter a fcuk? It's discrimination, full stop.

MJ23

Who cares? I certainly don't. It's a stupid day that the septics love, all begorrah and top of the mornin.

Dan_Solo

Birneybau wrote: »

What if it was a racial difference? Why, in this day and age does it matter a fcuk? It's discrimination, full stop.

But we don't have a "Black people's society" marching on St Patrick's do we, so what's the relevance beyond bog standard conflation?

Aongus Von Bismarck

Birneybau wrote: »

What if it was a racial difference? Why, in this day and age does it matter a fcuk? It's discrimination, full stop.

The equivalent would be if a group wanted to march with banners identifying themselves as black people. Its pointless isolationism.

If the people who are LGBT are Irish, or of Irish heritage then let them march with all the rest. The fact that they are LGBT is irrelevant to their Irishness.

There's no need to hijack St. Patrick's day to make a political statement.

Dan_Solo

The obvious answer is to have a Heterosexual Society march also. Problem solved.

Dan_Solo

bnt wrote: »

St. Patrick's Day, sexualised? It's based on a myth about a guy who rid Ireland of "snakes" - a blatant metaphor for sex if I ever saw one. So, maybe it could do with a bit of sexualisation ...

Your metaphor is based on what exactly? Snakes and knobs are kinda the same shape? Honestly never heard this one before in my life.

_lietome_

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MilanPan!c

Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »

The equivalent would be if a group wanted to march with banners identifying themselves as black people. Its pointless isolationism.

If the people who are LGBT are Irish, or of Irish heritage then let them march with all the rest. The fact that they are LGBT is irrelevant to their Irishness.

There's no need to hijack St. Patrick's day to make a political statement.

The fact is that it's ostensibly a "religious" parade and the religious organisers fought tooth and nail to disallow anyone they thought didn't meet their religious standards.

The fact that this "religious parade" happens to represent an entire culture (- the gays) seems to be completely ignored by the organisers, who aren't interested in Ireland the country/culture, but in promoting Catholicism.

COYW

Does that Ancient Order Of Hibernians still run the big parades in the USA?

Corkfeen

no it is not

They've also rescinded an invite to the PSNI who were going to march with Gardai. The reason being, none of them are Catholic or Irish apparently. The people behind the NY Parade are intolerant bigots who claim to represent Ireland .

Aongus Von Bismarck

MilanPan!c wrote: »

The fact is that it's ostensibly a "religious" parade and the religious organisers fought tooth and nail to disallow anyone they thought didn't meet their religious standards.

The fact that this "religious parade" happens to represent an entire culture (- the gays) seems to be completely ignored by the organisers, who aren't interested in Ireland the country/culture, but in promoting Catholicism.

Are LGBT people banned from marching in the parade as individuals?

I would imagine the same rules are applied to them as if PETA, the NRA, Justice for Justin Beiber, or any other political message group wanted to march.

MilanPan!c

COYW wrote: »

Does that Ancient Order Of Hibernians still run the big parades in the USA?

No but apparently many of the organisers are still members. Which would make a lot of sense.

It should either be a religious parade or a secular one, but allowing it to be a secular one, just minus gays, is a joke.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

it is not "minus gays"

gay people are allowed march in the parade

dissed doc

fran17 wrote: »

woke this morning to hear about enda Kenny's trip to boston and of course the controversy surrounding boston mayor marty walsh and issues with "lgbt" involvement in the parade.this comes after new York mayor bill de blasio and joan burton refusing to march in the new York parade because "lgbt" members cannot wave there banners in it.
is it right that our national holiday should make headlines around the world because of a grouping who's only difference is there sexual preference?

the LGBT can show how tolerant they are when the St. Patrick's Day Heterosexual Society demands to march on Gay Pride.

fran17

MilanPan!c wrote: »

No but apparently many of the organisers are still members. Which would make a lot of sense.

It should either be a religious parade or a secular one, but allowing it to be a secular one, just minus gays, is a joke.

why do the "lgbt" feel the need to tell us who they sleep with?i mean this is the only difference between us right

oldyouth

I don't think St Patrick's parades should be used as a platform for anything other than sporting or cultural aspects of Ireland.

As an example, Wexford Town has banned all politicians and political themes from the parade this year which, IMO, is a great thing

eeeee

_lietome_ wrote: »

Its just to give the LGBT something new to cry about. Its always something with them, self-indulgent pity parade. Just let them do what they want, they'll soon get bored.

Seriously? Homophobia and discrimination are ok are they? The fact that LGBT have been banned from the parade shows just how muchwork has to be done, and bigotry on such a large scale exists. The NY parade is a huge thing, so being exempt from it sends a message of intolerance that cannot be condoned or accepted.

That the PSNI have been disallowed previously too is completely unacceptable. Prejudice is unacceptable end of.

COYW

Corkfeen wrote: »

They've also rescinded an invite to the PSNI who were going to march with Gardai. The reason being, none of them are Catholic or Irish apparently. The people behind the NY Parade are intolerant bigots who claim to represent Ireland.

Sure the Orange Orders in the RoI have been invited and accepted invitations to march in the parades in Dublin and Cork but had to pull out due to protest threats from SF. Some seem to consider the parades to be Catholic or Nationalist only affairs. The organisers of the NY parade come across as a horrible, horrible bunch.

Link to Cork one.

Wacker The Attacker

sure you cant beat a bit of fanny on paddys day begorrah

be jaysus

MilanPan!c

fran17 wrote: »

why do the "lgbt" feel the need to tell us who they sleep with?i mean this is the only difference between us right

This is the norm when oppressed group are emerging into the mainstream.

In 100 years it won't matter but now it is what it is.

I haven't gone to a paddies day parade in years.
Now if the parade was full of Brazillian women shaking their round hoops, I'd be there every year.

IngazZagni

It's nonsense. Politics, religion and beliefs should stay out of this parade and event. It has nothing to do with it. If we let the LGBT community wave their flags around then we also need to let the westboro baptist church wave their flags too. Suddenly the whole thing turns into a farce and the St Patricks day events are ruined.

Cantremember

no it is not

A day based on a man wearing a green dress carrying a big stick and wearing a pointy hat that makes him look like a giant penis is being sexualised? Imagine that.

Stavros Murphy

I thought this was about the recent proposal to make the American marching band hotties wear shorter skirts. Vaguely dissapointed.

MilanPan!c

GarIT wrote: »

It's minus any strong political messages not just gays.

That's not actually true.

www.broomerighttolife.com/events/stpatricksdayparade.html

While the NY one is basically against everything the smaller parade often have pro-life stuff and are often anti-gay.

This shouldn't surprise anyone. It's a "religious" parade.

My only concern is that, if it's public, it can't discriminate. If it does, it's wrong.

Corkfeen

no it is not

IngazZagni wrote: »

It's nonsense. Politics, religion and beliefs should stay out of this parade and event. It has nothing to do with it. If we let the LGBT community wave their flags around then we also need to let the westboro baptist church wave their flags too. Suddenly the whole thing turns into a farce and the St Patricks day events are ruined.

LGBT groups have been allowed in Irish parades for years. The Westboro Baptist Church preach intolerance so that's a rather idiotic point.

_lietome_

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Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

MilanPan!c wrote: »

My only concern is that, if it's public, it can't discriminate. If it does, it's wrong.

it's not public though.. unless the parade is a state run event.

MilanPan!c

Corkfeen wrote: »

LGBT groups have been allowed in Irish parades for years. The Westboro Baptist Church preach intolerance so that's a rather idiotic point.

In fairness LGBT groups are intolerant of people who aren't tolerant.

They hate the hate.

MilanPan!c

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »

it's not public though.. unless the parade is a state run event.

It is all over, public.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

MilanPan!c wrote: »

It is all over, public.

.........
what?

fran17

IngazZagni wrote: »

It's nonsense. Politics, religion and beliefs should stay out of this parade and event. It has nothing to do with it. If we let the LGBT community wave their flags around then we also need to let the westboro baptist church wave their flags too. Suddenly the whole thing turns into a farce and the St Patricks day events are ruined.

but is the "lgbt" politics,religion or beliefs? the conclusion I keep coming to is why want to be recognised for your sexual preference on what is predominantly an event for children and minors?

hfallada

In sociology in college we discussed what it meant to be Irish. And it's nearly a given that irishness has a connection with being a white, Irish heterosexual catholic. There is no real in between.

Tens of thousands of gay people left ireland in search of more tolerant places like the UK and US until very recently. St Patrick's day should be a celebration of being Irish and the fact being Irish doesn't have to equal being a white, Irish heterosexual catholic

Corkfeen

no it is not

fran17 wrote: »

but is the "lgbt" politics,religion or beliefs? the conclusion I keep coming to is why want to be recognised for your sexual preference on what is predominantly an event for children and minors?

So people do not grow up to be intolerant pricks. It's rather simple except you're obsessed with making it nefarious .

Manach

Because in Catholic teaching homosexual wrong is wrong. Catholicism is at the root of St. Patrick's day traditional and its ties to Ireland. Progressivism springing from the Nihilist mindset can celebrated its own tradition of calling anyone bigots or homophobes who do not agree with them on May Day, along with any other of their defunct ideas.

IngazZagni

Corkfeen wrote: »

LGBT groups have been allowed in Irish parades for years. The Westboro Baptist Church preach intolerance so that's a rather idiotic point.

In your opinion it's intolerance. It's mine too but it's still an opinion. This sort of stuff should stay out of Paddys day. End of.

There are already other events to highlight the LGBT issues.

Corkfeen

no it is not

IngazZagni wrote: »

In your opinion it's intolerance. It's mine too but it's still an opinion. This sort of stuff should stay out of Paddys day. End of.

There are already other events to highlight the LGBT issues.

Nope it's an absolute fact, they even call themselves intolerant. Irish parades include LGBT groups because we have no issue that LGBT are part of Irish culture. However A New York Parade is less tolerant than the Irish ones? That's bloody idiotic and completely unrepresentative of Irish culture.

fran17

Corkfeen wrote: »

Nope it's an absolute fact, they even call themselves intolerant. Irish parades include LGBT groups because we have no issue that LGBT are part of Irish culture. However A New York Parade is less tolerant than the Irish ones? That's bloody idiotic and completely unrepresentative of Irish culture.

this is your opinion now or are you speaking for the whole country?

IngazZagni

Corkfeen wrote: »

Nope it's an absolute fact, they even call themselves intolerant. Irish parades include LGBT groups because we have no issue that LGBT are part of Irish culture. However A New York Parade is less tolerant than the Irish ones? That's bloody idiotic and completely unrepresentative of Irish culture.

My point is groups with agendas should stay out of Paddys day. That's all.

Corkfeen

no it is not

fran17 wrote: »

this is your opinion now or are you speaking for the whole country?

There's always going to be some but the vast majority do not wish to treat lgbt as second class citizens.

fran17

Corkfeen wrote: »

There's always going to be some but the vast majority do not wish to treat lgbt as second class citizens.

so your speaking for the vast majority then?

Corkfeen

no it is not

fran17 wrote: »

so your speaking for the vast majority then?

It's an educated opinion, the support for same sex marriage has remained constant and those who have started a campaign against it are a minority of fundamentalists . I also find it pretty horrible that you appear to have just admitted that you wish to treat lgbt people as second class citizens.

everdead.ie

Corkfeen wrote: »

They've also rescinded an invite to the PSNI who were going to march with Gardai. The reason being, none of them are Catholic or Irish apparently. The people behind the NY Parade are intolerant bigots who claim to represent Ireland .

Ya no they haven't rescinded it. They have already confirmed that they haven't rescinded it despite rumors on social networks.

Corkfeen

no it is not

everdead.ie wrote: »

Ya no they haven't rescinded it. They have already confirmed that they haven't rescinded it despite rumors on social networks.

Correction accepted. Thanks.

Frank Lee Midere

hfallada wrote: »

In sociology in college we discussed what it meant to be Irish. And it's nearly a given that irishness has a connection with being a white, Irish heterosexual catholic. There is no real in between.

Tens of thousands of gay people left ireland in search of more tolerant places like the UK and US until very recently. St Patrick's day should be a celebration of being Irish and the fact being Irish doesn't have to equal being a white, Irish heterosexual catholic

Sociology students, always the brightest. First of all you claim a nonsensical "given" - that Irishness is even now defined as hetro and catholic. But the State has had Protestant heads of State, and Jewish TDs, ministers and Mayors. Dublin had Jewish mayors before New York in fact. So there is clearly an in-between, and not just recently.

Then you opine about how people flee to more tolerant "America" but it is in America where the parade is banning LGBT marchers, as designated marchers, not in Dublin. This is Irish America, not Ireland. Which is not the same thing.

Dan_Solo

Corkfeen wrote: »

It's an educated opinion, the support for same sex marriage has remained constant and those who have started a campaign against it are a minority of fundamentalists . I also find it pretty horrible that you appear to have just admitted that you wish to treat lgbt people as second class citizens.

He didn't, but we can all see how it would suit an agenda to pretend he did.

mike65

If there is an event that needs sexing up its the "St Pattys" Day parade.

Frank Lee Midere

bnt wrote: »

St. Patrick's Day, sexualised? It's based on a myth about a guy who rid Ireland of "snakes" - a blatant metaphor for sex if I ever saw one. So, maybe it could do with a bit of sexualisation ...

Even Freud, a total fraud, said that a cigar is sometimes just a cigar. Not, in other words a phallic symbol. The snake represented....snakes. Although St Patrick didn't get rid of them, nobody would really know that after a few generations and there weren't ever any, so it was an easy "miracle" for early Christianiy to claim.

And St Patrick, who definitely wasn't a myth, didn't claim it, the legend just grew up after a while.

Corkfeen

no it is not

Dan_Solo wrote: »

He didn't, but we can all see how it would suit an agenda to pretend he did.

Let's wait for Fran to confirm. Bit odd to have an issue with the statement that the majority of Irish people do not wish to treat LGBT as second class citizens unless one has a bias.