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sexualisation of st.patricks day parade

  • 16-03-2014 11:39AM
    #1
    fran17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭


    woke this morning to hear about enda Kenny's trip to boston and of course the controversy surrounding boston mayor marty walsh and issues with "lgbt" involvement in the parade.this comes after new York mayor bill de blasio and joan burton refusing to march in the new York parade because "lgbt" members cannot wave there banners in it.
    is it right that our national holiday should make headlines around the world because of a grouping who's only difference is there sexual preference?

    is the st.patricks day parade the correct stage for promoting lgbt ideals? 59 votes

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  • #2
    bnt
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,244 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    St. Patrick's Day, sexualised? It's based on a myth about a guy who rid Ireland of "snakes" - a blatant metaphor for sex if I ever saw one. So, maybe it could do with a bit of sexualisation ...

    Government resting upon the will and universal suffrage of the people has no anchorage except in the people's intelligence.

    — Grover Cleveland



  • #3
    Birneybau
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,450 ✭✭✭✭Birneybau


    What if it was a racial difference? Why, in this day and age does it matter a fcuk? It's discrimination, full stop.


  • #4
    MJ23
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,039 ✭✭✭MJ23


    Who cares? I certainly don't. It's a stupid day that the septics love, all begorrah and top of the mornin.


  • #5
    Dan_Solo
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 10,069 ✭✭✭✭Dan_Solo


    Birneybau wrote: »
    What if it was a racial difference? Why, in this day and age does it matter a fcuk? It's discrimination, full stop.

    But we don't have a "Black people's society" marching on St Patrick's do we, so what's the relevance beyond bog standard conflation?


  • #6
    Aongus Von Bismarck
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,794 ✭✭✭Aongus Von Bismarck


    Birneybau wrote: »
    What if it was a racial difference? Why, in this day and age does it matter a fcuk? It's discrimination, full stop.

    The equivalent would be if a group wanted to march with banners identifying themselves as black people. Its pointless isolationism.

    If the people who are LGBT are Irish, or of Irish heritage then let them march with all the rest. The fact that they are LGBT is irrelevant to their Irishness.

    There's no need to hijack St. Patrick's day to make a political statement.


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  • #7
    Dan_Solo
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    The obvious answer is to have a Heterosexual Society march also. Problem solved.


  • #8
    Dan_Solo
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    bnt wrote: »
    St. Patrick's Day, sexualised? It's based on a myth about a guy who rid Ireland of "snakes" - a blatant metaphor for sex if I ever saw one. So, maybe it could do with a bit of sexualisation ...
    Your metaphor is based on what exactly? Snakes and knobs are kinda the same shape? Honestly never heard this one before in my life.


  • #9
    _lietome_
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  • #10
    MilanPan!c
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    Aongus Von Bismarck wrote: »
    The equivalent would be if a group wanted to march with banners identifying themselves as black people. Its pointless isolationism.

    If the people who are LGBT are Irish, or of Irish heritage then let them march with all the rest. The fact that they are LGBT is irrelevant to their Irishness.

    There's no need to hijack St. Patrick's day to make a political statement.

    The fact is that it's ostensibly a "religious" parade and the religious organisers fought tooth and nail to disallow anyone they thought didn't meet their religious standards.

    The fact that this "religious parade" happens to represent an entire culture (- the gays) seems to be completely ignored by the organisers, who aren't interested in Ireland the country/culture, but in promoting Catholicism.


  • #11
    COYW
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    Does that Ancient Order Of Hibernians still run the big parades in the USA?


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  • #12
    Corkfeen
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    no it is not
    They've also rescinded an invite to the PSNI who were going to march with Gardai. The reason being, none of them are Catholic or Irish apparently. The people behind the NY Parade are intolerant bigots who claim to represent Ireland .


  • #13
    Aongus Von Bismarck
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    MilanPan!c wrote: »
    The fact is that it's ostensibly a "religious" parade and the religious organisers fought tooth and nail to disallow anyone they thought didn't meet their religious standards.

    The fact that this "religious parade" happens to represent an entire culture (- the gays) seems to be completely ignored by the organisers, who aren't interested in Ireland the country/culture, but in promoting Catholicism.

    Are LGBT people banned from marching in the parade as individuals?

    I would imagine the same rules are applied to them as if PETA, the NRA, Justice for Justin Beiber, or any other political message group wanted to march.


  • #14
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    COYW wrote: »
    Does that Ancient Order Of Hibernians still run the big parades in the USA?

    No but apparently many of the organisers are still members. Which would make a lot of sense.

    It should either be a religious parade or a secular one, but allowing it to be a secular one, just minus gays, is a joke.


  • #15
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    it is not "minus gays"

    gay people are allowed march in the parade


  • #16
    dissed doc
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    fran17 wrote: »
    woke this morning to hear about enda Kenny's trip to boston and of course the controversy surrounding boston mayor marty walsh and issues with "lgbt" involvement in the parade.this comes after new York mayor bill de blasio and joan burton refusing to march in the new York parade because "lgbt" members cannot wave there banners in it.
    is it right that our national holiday should make headlines around the world because of a grouping who's only difference is there sexual preference?


    the LGBT can show how tolerant they are when the St. Patrick's Day Heterosexual Society demands to march on Gay Pride.


  • #17
    fran17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    MilanPan!c wrote: »
    No but apparently many of the organisers are still members. Which would make a lot of sense.

    It should either be a religious parade or a secular one, but allowing it to be a secular one, just minus gays, is a joke.

    why do the "lgbt" feel the need to tell us who they sleep with?i mean this is the only difference between us right


  • #18
    oldyouth
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    I don't think St Patrick's parades should be used as a platform for anything other than sporting or cultural aspects of Ireland.

    As an example, Wexford Town has banned all politicians and political themes from the parade this year which, IMO, is a great thing


  • #19
    eeeee
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    _lietome_ wrote: »
    Its just to give the LGBT something new to cry about. Its always something with them, self-indulgent pity parade. Just let them do what they want, they'll soon get bored.

    Seriously? Homophobia and discrimination are ok are they? The fact that LGBT have been banned from the parade shows just how muchwork has to be done, and bigotry on such a large scale exists. The NY parade is a huge thing, so being exempt from it sends a message of intolerance that cannot be condoned or accepted.

    That the PSNI have been disallowed previously too is completely unacceptable. Prejudice is unacceptable end of.


  • #20
    COYW
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    Corkfeen wrote: »
    They've also rescinded an invite to the PSNI who were going to march with Gardai. The reason being, none of them are Catholic or Irish apparently. The people behind the NY Parade are intolerant bigots who claim to represent Ireland.

    Sure the Orange Orders in the RoI have been invited and accepted invitations to march in the parades in Dublin and Cork but had to pull out due to protest threats from SF. Some seem to consider the parades to be Catholic or Nationalist only affairs. The organisers of the NY parade come across as a horrible, horrible bunch.

    Link to Cork one.


  • #21
    Wacker The Attacker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,473 ✭✭✭Wacker The Attacker


    sure you cant beat a bit of fanny on paddys day begorrah

    be jaysus


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  • #22
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    fran17 wrote: »
    why do the "lgbt" feel the need to tell us who they sleep with?i mean this is the only difference between us right

    This is the norm when oppressed group are emerging into the mainstream.

    In 100 years it won't matter but now it is what it is.


  • #23
    [Deleted User]
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    I haven't gone to a paddies day parade in years.
    Now if the parade was full of Brazillian women shaking their round hoops, I'd be there every year.


  • #24
    IngazZagni
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    It's nonsense. Politics, religion and beliefs should stay out of this parade and event. It has nothing to do with it. If we let the LGBT community wave their flags around then we also need to let the westboro baptist church wave their flags too. Suddenly the whole thing turns into a farce and the St Patricks day events are ruined.


  • #25
    Cantremember
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    no it is not
    A day based on a man wearing a green dress carrying a big stick and wearing a pointy hat that makes him look like a giant penis is being sexualised? Imagine that.


  • #26
    Stavros Murphy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,435 ✭✭✭Stavros Murphy


    I thought this was about the recent proposal to make the American marching band hotties wear shorter skirts. Vaguely dissapointed.


  • #27
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    GarIT wrote: »
    It's minus any strong political messages not just gays.

    That's not actually true.

    www.broomerighttolife.com/events/stpatricksdayparade.html

    While the NY one is basically against everything the smaller parade often have pro-life stuff and are often anti-gay.

    This shouldn't surprise anyone. It's a "religious" parade.

    My only concern is that, if it's public, it can't discriminate. If it does, it's wrong.


  • #28
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    no it is not
    IngazZagni wrote: »
    It's nonsense. Politics, religion and beliefs should stay out of this parade and event. It has nothing to do with it. If we let the LGBT community wave their flags around then we also need to let the westboro baptist church wave their flags too. Suddenly the whole thing turns into a farce and the St Patricks day events are ruined.

    LGBT groups have been allowed in Irish parades for years. The Westboro Baptist Church preach intolerance so that's a rather idiotic point.


  • #29
    _lietome_
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  • #30
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
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    MilanPan!c wrote: »
    My only concern is that, if it's public, it can't discriminate. If it does, it's wrong.

    it's not public though.. unless the parade is a state run event.


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  • #31
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    LGBT groups have been allowed in Irish parades for years. The Westboro Baptist Church preach intolerance so that's a rather idiotic point.

    In fairness LGBT groups are intolerant of people who aren't tolerant.

    They hate the hate.


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