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sexualisation of st.patricks day parade

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  • #32
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    it's not public though.. unless the parade is a state run event.

    It is all over, public.


  • #33
    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23,554 ✭✭✭✭Sir Digby Chicken Caesar


    MilanPan!c wrote: »
    It is all over, public.

    .........
    what?


  • #34
    fran17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    IngazZagni wrote: »
    It's nonsense. Politics, religion and beliefs should stay out of this parade and event. It has nothing to do with it. If we let the LGBT community wave their flags around then we also need to let the westboro baptist church wave their flags too. Suddenly the whole thing turns into a farce and the St Patricks day events are ruined.

    but is the "lgbt" politics,religion or beliefs? the conclusion I keep coming to is why want to be recognised for your sexual preference on what is predominantly an event for children and minors?


  • #35
    hfallada
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,179 ✭✭✭hfallada


    In sociology in college we discussed what it meant to be Irish. And it's nearly a given that irishness has a connection with being a white, Irish heterosexual catholic. There is no real in between.

    Tens of thousands of gay people left ireland in search of more tolerant places like the UK and US until very recently. St Patrick's day should be a celebration of being Irish and the fact being Irish doesn't have to equal being a white, Irish heterosexual catholic


  • #36
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    no it is not
    fran17 wrote: »
    but is the "lgbt" politics,religion or beliefs? the conclusion I keep coming to is why want to be recognised for your sexual preference on what is predominantly an event for children and minors?

    So people do not grow up to be intolerant pricks. It's rather simple except you're obsessed with making it nefarious .


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  • #37
    Manach
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 9,904 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Because in Catholic teaching homosexual wrong is wrong. Catholicism is at the root of St. Patrick's day traditional and its ties to Ireland. Progressivism springing from the Nihilist mindset can celebrated its own tradition of calling anyone bigots or homophobes who do not agree with them on May Day, along with any other of their defunct ideas.


  • #38
    IngazZagni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    LGBT groups have been allowed in Irish parades for years. The Westboro Baptist Church preach intolerance so that's a rather idiotic point.
    In your opinion it's intolerance. It's mine too but it's still an opinion. This sort of stuff should stay out of Paddys day. End of.

    There are already other events to highlight the LGBT issues.


  • #39
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    no it is not
    IngazZagni wrote: »
    In your opinion it's intolerance. It's mine too but it's still an opinion. This sort of stuff should stay out of Paddys day. End of.

    There are already other events to highlight the LGBT issues.

    Nope it's an absolute fact, they even call themselves intolerant. Irish parades include LGBT groups because we have no issue that LGBT are part of Irish culture. However A New York Parade is less tolerant than the Irish ones? That's bloody idiotic and completely unrepresentative of Irish culture.


  • #40
    fran17
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    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Nope it's an absolute fact, they even call themselves intolerant. Irish parades include LGBT groups because we have no issue that LGBT are part of Irish culture. However A New York Parade is less tolerant than the Irish ones? That's bloody idiotic and completely unrepresentative of Irish culture.

    this is your opinion now or are you speaking for the whole country?


  • #41
    IngazZagni
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,656 ✭✭✭IngazZagni


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Nope it's an absolute fact, they even call themselves intolerant. Irish parades include LGBT groups because we have no issue that LGBT are part of Irish culture. However A New York Parade is less tolerant than the Irish ones? That's bloody idiotic and completely unrepresentative of Irish culture.

    My point is groups with agendas should stay out of Paddys day. That's all.


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  • #42
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    no it is not
    fran17 wrote: »
    this is your opinion now or are you speaking for the whole country?

    There's always going to be some but the vast majority do not wish to treat lgbt as second class citizens. :)


  • #43
    fran17
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,262 ✭✭✭fran17


    Corkfeen wrote: »
    There's always going to be some but the vast majority do not wish to treat lgbt as second class citizens. :)

    so your speaking for the vast majority then?


  • #44
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    no it is not
    fran17 wrote: »
    so your speaking for the vast majority then?

    It's an educated opinion, the support for same sex marriage has remained constant and those who have started a campaign against it are a minority of fundamentalists . I also find it pretty horrible that you appear to have just admitted that you wish to treat lgbt people as second class citizens.


  • #45
    everdead.ie
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    Corkfeen wrote: »
    They've also rescinded an invite to the PSNI who were going to march with Gardai. The reason being, none of them are Catholic or Irish apparently. The people behind the NY Parade are intolerant bigots who claim to represent Ireland .
    Ya no they haven't rescinded it. They have already confirmed that they haven't rescinded it despite rumors on social networks.


  • #46
    Corkfeen
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,940 ✭✭✭Corkfeen


    no it is not
    everdead.ie wrote: »
    Ya no they haven't rescinded it. They have already confirmed that they haven't rescinded it despite rumors on social networks.

    Correction accepted. Thanks.


  • #47
    Frank Lee Midere
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,780 ✭✭✭Frank Lee Midere


    hfallada wrote: »
    In sociology in college we discussed what it meant to be Irish. And it's nearly a given that irishness has a connection with being a white, Irish heterosexual catholic. There is no real in between.

    Tens of thousands of gay people left ireland in search of more tolerant places like the UK and US until very recently. St Patrick's day should be a celebration of being Irish and the fact being Irish doesn't have to equal being a white, Irish heterosexual catholic

    Sociology students, always the brightest. First of all you claim a nonsensical "given" - that Irishness is even now defined as hetro and catholic. But the State has had Protestant heads of State, and Jewish TDs, ministers and Mayors. Dublin had Jewish mayors before New York in fact. So there is clearly an in-between, and not just recently.

    Then you opine about how people flee to more tolerant "America" but it is in America where the parade is banning LGBT marchers, as designated marchers, not in Dublin. This is Irish America, not Ireland. Which is not the same thing.


  • #48
    Dan_Solo
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    Corkfeen wrote: »
    It's an educated opinion, the support for same sex marriage has remained constant and those who have started a campaign against it are a minority of fundamentalists . I also find it pretty horrible that you appear to have just admitted that you wish to treat lgbt people as second class citizens.
    He didn't, but we can all see how it would suit an agenda to pretend he did.


  • #49
    mike65
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    If there is an event that needs sexing up its the "St Pattys" Day parade.


  • #50
    Frank Lee Midere
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    bnt wrote: »
    St. Patrick's Day, sexualised? It's based on a myth about a guy who rid Ireland of "snakes" - a blatant metaphor for sex if I ever saw one. So, maybe it could do with a bit of sexualisation ...

    Even Freud, a total fraud, said that a cigar is sometimes just a cigar. Not, in other words a phallic symbol. The snake represented....snakes. Although St Patrick didn't get rid of them, nobody would really know that after a few generations and there weren't ever any, so it was an easy "miracle" for early Christianiy to claim.

    And St Patrick, who definitely wasn't a myth, didn't claim it, the legend just grew up after a while.


  • #51
    Corkfeen
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    no it is not
    Dan_Solo wrote: »
    He didn't, but we can all see how it would suit an agenda to pretend he did.

    Let's wait for Fran to confirm. Bit odd to have an issue with the statement that the majority of Irish people do not wish to treat LGBT as second class citizens unless one has a bias.


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  • #52
    geckovision
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    To be honest, when these groups want to impose themselves on absolutely everything going, I can't help but give two f*cks less about how they're discriminated against.

    Especially a St. Patrick's day parade - which is hardly celebrated as a huge religious fiasco these days. Of course there are religious aspects, but it's more about tradition (doesn't matter where it stems from - like atheists celebrating Christmas, no problems there) and being an 'Irish day' these days with a lot of the parade having entertainment with kids in mind.

    Come to think of it, I find it hypocritical how they celebrate Christmas if St. Patrick's day upsets them.


  • #53
    MilanPan!c
    Site Banned Posts: 4,415 ✭✭✭MilanPan!c


    Sir Digby Chicken Caesar wrote: »
    .........
    what?

    It's publicly organised and run all over the place.


  • #54
    Friend Computer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 369 ✭✭Friend Computer


    geckovision wrote: »
    these days with a lot of the parade having entertainment with kids in mind

    :confused:


  • #55
    morebabies
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 539 ✭✭✭morebabies


    I am Catholic, have no hate towards homosexuals or anyone under the LGBT umbrella, but honestly and no offence to any group, hetero or otherwise, I don't see a place for the LGBT or hetero agenda in what is now a predominantly Irish cultural celebration. And if we are going to move in a direction where every group with an identity in Ireland is to be represented, the parade would last weeks.

    As for the "Catholicness" of the parade - well I think St. Patrick has suffered the same fate as St. Nicholas at Christmas.


  • #56
    holystungun9
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    bnt wrote: »
    St. Patrick's Day, sexualised? It's based on a myth about a guy who rid Ireland of "snakes" - a blatant metaphor for sex if I ever saw one. So, maybe it could do with a bit of sexualisation ...

    St Patrick? A snake basher you say?


  • #57
    Annasopra
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    IngazZagni wrote: »
    My point is groups with agendas should stay out of Paddys day. That's all.

    Well then ban all corporate sponsorship, every single tidy towns group, sports group, community group from the parades

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



  • #58
    Dan_Solo
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    Corkfeen wrote: »
    Let's wait for Fran to confirm. Bit odd to have an issue with the statement that the majority of Irish people do not wish to treat LGBT as second class citizens unless one has a bias.
    Whether he's for or against LGBT rights is pretty immaterial, he was expressing an opinion on the predominant attitude in Ireland.


  • #59
    mikeym
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    LGBT can march but they cant fly the colours that are associated with Gay pride. And the organisers think the parade will be hijacked with that.


    There should have been a compromise deal agreed ages ago which suited both sides.


  • #60
    AndonHandon
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    mikeym wrote: »
    LGBT can march but they cant fly the colours that are associated with Gay pride. And the organisers think the parade will be hijacked with that.


    There should have been a compromise deal agreed ages ago which suited both sides.
    It's pathetic that people will define themselves by their sexuality. There's no reason for those people to get extra attention when they are the same as everyone else.


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  • #61
    Annasopra
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    mikeym wrote: »
    LGBT can march but they cant fly the colours that are associated with Gay pride. And the organisers think the parade will be hijacked with that.


    There should have been a compromise deal agreed ages ago which suited both sides.

    Is it not the other way round; the NYC parade has been hijacked by narrow religious sectarian groups - Why is "brits out" one of the only signs you can display?

    It was so much easier to blame it on Them. It was bleakly depressing to think that They were Us. If it was Them, then nothing was anyone's fault. If it was us, what did that make Me? After all, I'm one of Us. I must be. I've certainly never thought of myself as one of Them. No one ever thinks of themselves as one of Them. We're always one of Us. It's Them that do the bad things.

    Terry Pratchet



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