HEAVY POACHING

91hilux

just got 2 phone calls from farmers where we have the
shooting on their lands
both ready to blow a fuse, it seems a party of local foreign nationals have been seeing poaching deer on some of our shooting ground.
as described by one farmer " they are setting nets along the inside of the forestry, sourced in dingle as damaged trawler nets, they then wait until night time to chase the deer into these nets by way of lamping and then kill them with knifes and machetes ,silver station wagon is the vehicle they travel in , they are working the Kerry area and its only a matter of time before they expand into other counties ,to all deer hunters etc, please keep an eye out and report if you see anything like this or send me a pm
myself and my shooting buddy along with a few local farmers will be keeping an eye out ,anyone that shoots deer in the Kerry area or that have leases please pm me for more details. NOW IS THE TIME TO STOP THIS BEFORE IT SPREADS OUT OF CONTROL AND WE ALL END UP REGREATTING IT .your help is needed as local game wardens and park rangers are thin on the line

wexfordman2

91hilux wrote: »

just got 2 phone calls from farmers where we have the
shooting on their lands
both ready to blow a fuse, it seems a party of local foreign nationals have been seeing poaching deer on some of our shooting ground.
as described by one farmer " they are setting nets along the inside of the forestry, sourced in dingle as damaged trawler nets, they then wait until night time to chase the deer into these nets by way of lamping and then kill them with knifes and machetes ,silver station wagon is the vehicle they travel in , they are working the Kerry area and its only a matter of time before they expand into other counties ,to all deer hunters etc, please keep an eye out and report if you see anything like this or send me a pm
myself and my shooting buddy along with a few local farmers will be keeping an eye out ,anyone that shoots deer in the Kerry area or that have leases please pm me for more details. NOW IS THE TIME TO STOP THIS BEFORE IT SPREADS OUT OF CONTROL AND WE ALL END UP REGREATTING IT .your help is needed as local game wardens and park rangers are thin on the line

If the farmers are seeing it happen, can they not call the garda and report it to the npws?

Cass

91hilux wrote: »

, it seems a party of local foreign nationals have been seeing poaching deer on some of our shooting ground.

Along with the above how do they know it's foreigners?

If they know who it is they should name them (to the Gardaí/NPWS and not here). If they don't then making assumptions about their nationality are just that, assumptions.

91hilux

they are but these guys are operating at different times and days

wexfordman2

91hilux wrote: »

they are but these guys are operating at different times and days

A car reg would surely be enough to get the garda or npws on the case. It would seem to me that if they are taking a number of deer they are ending up in a fairly obvious place.

The set up you describe is probably easier to tackle than some guy out lamping as it probably takes a lot of time to set up and not rash to rush away

91hilux

3 black guys [not being racist] driving a silver station wagon ,all in cammo gear ,no guns and yes it has been reported and as usual the answer was ok thanks for the help we will look in to it

91hilux

oh yes my friend there is a good sting being put into plan over the next few days [old school]

Cass

91hilux wrote: »

3 black guys [not being racist] ..........

It's not racist if that's what they are. No point calling them purple.

My only concern was the usual "they took our jobs" attitude. IOW blame it on foreigners when it is not them at all.

It sounds like you have regs, ID's, etc. IOW enough to go to the NPWS/Gardaí and get something done.

One other thing. I would refrain from posting anything more about any possible action that may or may not be taking place in relation to this. No point in giving any heads up as you never know who is reading.

91hilux

fair play ,point taken
I have no problem with other nationals hunting as long as it is by the book
but to think these guys just think they can come in and wipe out whatever. its getting hard enough to keep our own shooting ground protected for the next generation not to mind what these p####s are up to ,and yes we have the identity of one and a car reg

One shot on kill

I was thinking of posting but was very unsure what to say.

Not saying poachers in general have and repect at all but this is a pure sign of disrespect for the deer and it just goes to show the values they have to treat the animals in such a fashion. It's such a disgrace and complete disrespect for the animals life.

Traping with nets and then kills them with knifes and machetes do not try and tell me the animals are not suffering.

I hope you get every one of these guys and make an example of them and send them to jail for a long time.

dodderangler

Jail would be too good for them ba5tards!
I've heard of this type of poaching but not in Ireland. They do it in Ukraine on wild boar and use dogs to keep it in the net till the lads arrive with a big blade kind of like a small sword Into the heart and it's done but knives and machetes??
That's fcukin sick. Hacking an animal to death?

strangles

Bet the game dealer their bringing them to doesn't mind the machete scars.fu-en pigs

blackpearl

nothing will be done as usual,look what was done to our rivers and lakes and they were let away with it until it was to late black ,white,yellow or red it does not matter what the colour of their skin no court case ,deport them straight away and to hell with the do gooders,these people have no respect for our wildlife or our culture.

wexfordman2

strangles wrote: »

Bet the game dealer their bringing them to doesn't mind the machete scars.fu-en pigs

Was alluding to that earlier. If they are taking that many deer, they must be going to game dealers.

I reckon there is a case to be made to food safety authorities around food hygiene etc and poaching meat for sale. If you look at recent cases for example where poachers have left the carcass behind for collection next day, imagine the vermin and all that were at that carcass.

If poaching in Ireland is as high as people suspect, then a huge amount of the meat must be risky too. Perhaps an angle of attack is to bring this to the attention of the food safety authorities, the ones in the UK as well where a lot of the meat is exported to. If they were aware of it, and the sheer lack of controls and low detection rate for poaching then it might concern them enough.

One shot on kill

strangles wrote: »

Bet the game dealer their bringing them to doesn't mind the machete scars.fu-en pigs

I wouldn think a game dealer is involved in this one.

valerossi

Hopefully they get caught.
If you stumble on them some night keep in mind these lads might do anything to get away especially if they have something to loose eg deportation or something.

cruisedub123

wexfordman2 wrote: »

Was alluding to that earlier. If they are taking that many deer, they must be going to game dealers.

I reckon there is a case to be made to food safety authorities around food hygiene etc and poaching meat for sale. If you look at recent cases for example where poachers have left the carcass behind for collection next day, imagine the vermin and all that were at that carcass.

If poaching in Ireland is as high as people suspect, then a huge amount of the meat must be risky too. Perhaps an angle of attack is to bring this to the attention of the food safety authorities, the ones in the UK as well where a lot of the meat is exported to. If they were aware of it, and the sheer lack of controls and low detection rate for poaching then it might concern them enough.

Doubt if its going to a game dealer, more likely an " ethnic" shop or restaurant.

meathstevie

It's nearly unbelievable....then again, replace Ireland/Europe with Africa and net with minefield and that's how one gets ivory....

Dachipster

Is it not illegal to be swinging around the place with blades above a certain size among other things! It's the sort of story that if you read in the paper you would hardly believe the authorities were not doing something about it....ahem.

Cass

Dachipster wrote: »

Is it not illegal to be swinging around the place with blades above a certain size among other things...........

Yup.

Section 9 of the 1990 Offences Weapons act. Not just knives. The act covers "pointed objects/items". So a screwdriver, knife, ice pick, etc. brandished in a public place without good reason or in a menacing manner is all classed the same.

Traumadoc

Most poachers are Irish.

Cass

Yup to that too.

wirehairmax

Traumadoc wrote: »

Most poachers are Irish.

But these lot aren't.

Dian Cecht

wirehairmax wrote: »

But these lot aren't.

Lots of people getting Irish passports in last few years

Grizzly 45

91hilux wrote: »

3 black guys [not being racist] driving a silver station wagon ,all in cammo gear ,no guns and yes it has been reported and as usual the answer was ok thanks for the help we will look in to it

Not trying to be a wise guy here...But if you were Garda/NPWS ranger Mick Muldoon in Balynafeck Garda /ranger office and you got a call like that are you
going to think some of the following;

1] Someone is taking the piss and wants a laugh at our expense.
2] Someone is pissed or been at the magic mushrooms again.
3] They'll be telling us next little green men in a UFO poached the deer.
4] Feck sake they are getting desperate to get us out.No way am I stickin me neck and promotion chances on the line going to the boss with this cock&bull story.
5] Them feckin race relations would be all over us like flies on the manure pile.Blaming poor black people for feeding themselves...
5] Yeah..We'll get to it once I have filled out in triplicate this "very important" EU survey on what looks like some kind of shower curtain mould,but is some endangerd moss growing over here and done it in triplicate,and filled in the gender compliance forms for people wanting to have unisex toilets in the parks,and my job is Mon/Fri 09 to 5.No one is paying me overtime or danger money.
6] All of the above.

Grizzly 45

wexfordman2 wrote: »

Was alluding to that earlier. If they are taking that many deer, they must be going to game dealers.

I reckon there is a case to be made to food safety authorities around food hygiene etc and poaching meat for sale. If you look at recent cases for example where poachers have left the carcass behind for collection next day, imagine the vermin and all that were at that carcass.

If poaching in Ireland is as high as people suspect, then a huge amount of the meat must be risky too. Perhaps an angle of attack is to bring this to the attention of the food safety authorities, the ones in the UK as well where a lot of the meat is exported to. If they were aware of it, and the sheer lack of controls and low detection rate for poaching then it might concern them enough.

That's what this whole Game processors certification was supposed to sort out ,as apprently the British were giving out about the untracebility of Irish venison.

One shot on kill

Sure the game certification won't make a difference.

PL05

Have been off line for a while and just seeing this. I have a few permissions in the kerry area which i dont get to as often as i would like. Used to have more but for some mysterious reason i dont have now and these are people that i,ve known for years are more like friends than someone who,s, lets say just given you permission. Anyway with this carry on and what was going on Re the reds etc, im begining to see why some land owners down there are refusing people, even as in my case people that they know. This cant be allowed to continue. I remember reading a few years back about a cow that was killed and butchered in the field, cant remember what county but all the farmer found of his cow was skin head and feet and of course entrails, at the time i remember that it was suspected that foreign nationals where responsable. Now im not saying that all foreign nationals are bad or would do something like this but there are some that would have the skills with knives to carry something like this out. Also around the same time swans where dissapearing from rivers etc. Before i get attacked or accused of being against foreigners, i want to stress that this is not the case, im only quoting something that i read to the best of my knowlage and memory.

cookimonster

Several years and a good few kilos ago I was out running in the Pheonix park with a mate when we came across a gralloch near the army grounds. As we made our way back to the barracks we meet the park rangers and they had all ready being notified.
I have seen dear being delt with in the park before and it is very discrete so this was not a cull animal by any stretch of the imagination.
So If its blatantly being done in the park its anybody's game in the wild.

meathstevie

cookimonster wrote: »

Several years and a good few kilos ago I was out running in the Pheonix park with a mate when we came across a gralloch near the army grounds. As we made our way back to the barracks we meet the park rangers and they had all ready being notified.
I have seen dear being delt with in the park before and it is very discrete so this was not a cull animal by any stretch of the imagination.
So If its blatantly being done in the park its anybody's game in the wild.

On a side note, the deer in the Phoenix Park are like all other wild deer in Ireland. If you came accross a fresh and not too badly damaged road kill that has been abandoned at the roadside there's no offences if you'd throw it in the boot and took it home. If on the other hand you hit it with your car and then proceeded to throw it in the boot there's good enough grounds to prosecute you for poaching offences.

strangles

meathstevie wrote: »

On a side note, the deer in the Phoenix Park are like all other wild deer in Ireland. If you came accross a fresh and not too badly damaged road kill that has been abandoned at the roadside there's no offences if you'd throw it in the boot and took it home. If on the other hand you hit it with your car and then proceeded to throw it in the boot there's good enough grounds to prosecute you for poaching offences.

So are you saying M if your driving through the park & you hit deer you cant take it but if the lad driving down the road 2 mins before you hits it you can take it,thats a good 1.......

LIFFY FISHING

strangles wrote: »

So are you saying M if your driving through the park & you hit deer you cant take it but if the lad driving down the road 2 mins before you hits it you can take it,thats a good 1.......

True, its the same for all game, it is supposed to stop people from using vehicles to kill animals by hitting them and loading them into the boot.

cookimonster

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roadkill_cuisine#United_States

Excuse the lack of scholarly relevance but its a place to start. Interesting thought and legal application of road kill colection and use.

meathstevie

LIFFY FISHING wrote: »

True, its the same for all game, it is supposed to stop people from using vehicles to kill animals by hitting them and loading them into the boot.

Correct. Using a vehicle as a means to kill an animal.

Nico13

"FOREIGNER" a word that makes my blood pressure hit the roof!!!! as i have carried and still do (unfortunately) ! that "STICKER" on me everyday and taking the fall for every idiotic action made by human been. I am surprised that search header was permitted by our forum angel guardians as poaching is poaching no matter where u r from or what use or way it is done (shooting with wrong caliber rifles, snares, traps, knives, teeth, shoes trowing, tank shooting, planes bombing etc............) as silly the means can be poaching is poaching and as far as i am aware interracial relationship has not been forbidden by our government yet???? so black, blue, red, white, yellow does not mean ur not Irish in this days and age!!!!!!! just because it is ALIEN to u, it has to be for the rest of us!! no matter the situation.
On that note i hope those guys will get caught very soon as for all the poachers in this country so that we can still enjoy are way of life for many more years to come.
Rant over Nick out!;)

drumswan

Lol, evidently there are no black Irish people in Kerry

Joeseph Balls

PL05 wrote: »

Now im not saying that all foreign nationals are bad or would do something like this but there are some that would have the skills with knives to carry something like this out.

Damn them, damn them and their superior butchering skills!!!!! Cos no one else would have them skills.

valerossi

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Damn them, damn them and their superior butchering skills!!!!! Cos no one else would have them skills.

??????????

zen260

they took our jerbs

PL05

Joeseph Balls wrote: »

Damn them, damn them and their superior butchering skills!!!!! Cos no one else would have them skills.

AS i said i was quoting something i read and yes there are plenty of irish lads that have, as you say superior butchering skills also. As i also said i dont have a problem with foreign nationals, in fact i have friends that are. so please dont assume that i am in anyway racist or otherwise. Or that i was indicating that all foreign nationals are involved in poaching.

dodderangler

Anyone tell me what can be done about it?
First we'd need proof of it.
Secondly would the Garda do anything about it?
And if these aren't caught they'd move on somewhere else. It's things like this that taking the law into our own hands comes into place. But who will actually stand up to it?

Joeseph Balls

PL05 wrote: »

AS i said i was quoting something i read and yes there are plenty of irish lads that have, as you say superior butchering skills also. As i also said i dont have a problem with foreign nationals, in fact i have friends that are. so please dont assume that i am in anyway racist or otherwise. Or that i was indicating that all foreign nationals are involved in poaching.

Never said you were.
I was pointing out your statement that 'would have the skills with knives to carry something like this out' has no bearing on weather the cow was butchered by Irish nationals, foreigners or aliens.
It makes no sense what so ever.

Dian Cecht

dodderangler wrote: »

Anyone tell me what can be done about it?

Erm.................... report it to Gardaí & NPWS

dodderangler wrote: »

First we'd need proof of it.

Always handy in these situations

dodderangler wrote: »

Secondly would the Garda do anything about it?

Not unless you there's a complaint made (best person to do this is landowner)

dodderangler wrote: »

It's things like this that taking the law into our own hands comes into place. But who will actually stand up to it?

Are you suggesting a few deer stalkers can organise a wild west type lynch mob, give 'em a fair trial & hang em :eek: :rolleyes:

Vigilantism, especially by firearm owners, would/should definitely raise a few eyebrows within an Garda Síochana.

What can be done?

Simple!

Get the landowners to report it. Gardaí probably won't bother unless it's the landowner who makes the complaint. Property owners rights are taken more seriously than concerned citizens in these cases.

1809allan

You could try to get the press involved. Even a local politician or two could cause action to be taken.

But the landowner needs to start the ball rolling.

One shot on kill

Any witness needs to start the ball rolling.

And from what I've gathered this year some land owners are afraid to do anything.

Cass

This thread was on shaky enough ground at points and it's now devolved into sarcastic, and somewhat inappropriate posts.

As such i' closing the thread. If the OP wishes to discuss this further feel free to contact me or another mod.