€130,000- What can I build?

kkelliher

mandy gall wrote: »

Simple strip foundations and have already priced at 10k incl garage foundation . Also very lucky to have a family of tradesmen. Im also talking a finished house not a fully furnished house. We have no intention of it looking like a building site outside. My husband has just completed a handmade sprayed finished kitchen in our current home with a beautiful polished concrete countertop for under 1500 euro. Like i said previously we have every hope and WILL build our home for 150k with change!

Family of tradesmen and kitchen by husband. If you dont pay for all the labour as i have said from the outset of course you can build for any figure as its not a like with like in terms of what the op requires

mandy gall

Yes we are lucky enough. Even if we werent building we would feel the same about these regs. They are taking the right to own property away from someone who simply cannot afford builders rates. We know someone who built and was quoted 275k by a builder so they chose direct labour route and the house was finished at 185k. Massive difference. Its the difference between owning a home and not owning one. A self build is unique and specific to each person. To go and buy a house thats already built is settling for 2nd best - i wouldnt let the government shatter my dream. Yes vinnie i will keep you posted with pics.

4Sticks

mandy gall wrote: »

Its the difference between owning a home and not owning one.

My own view is that the regulations need to provide a "made my own bed and I will lie in it" provision for those who build for themselves. The upside being that those forced for economic reasons away from expert assistance with their build can carry on as before. The downside being that this should be made explicitly clear to any future purchaser of the house.

straight

Friends of mine have all built builders finish for under 60 euro per square foot with a contractor and i am in the process of doing the same at the moment. Obviously when i'm talking 60 euro per sq. foot i'm talking about builder quotations or self build rates. Site purchase, development levies, etc. are all down to ones particular situation. Builders finish to me is no kitchen, flooring, tiling, driveways, landscaping but everything else is finished. My house is a 3,000 sq foot 2 storey and we are at roof level. There was 80,000 euro of a difference in builders quotes i got for exactly the same thing. As for something being reassuringly expensive i wouldn't be so sure. Some of my highest quotes were from "business men" who just sub everything out. You need a "Builder" that doesn't mind getting his own hands dirty to build your house. The guys with the big quotes will have some laugh at you driving back the road with your cheque in their back pocket. Once the house is built to builders finish you can take a breather and finish to your desired standard over a number of years. Just my two cents from my experience anyway.

declan52

Keep your head up and build to your budget. Have got my own self build ready for windows for approx 35000, its a 2500sqft bungalow. Built it, felt and lathed and tiled roof myself. Have another 85000 to finish it. Had to do detailed costings for bank so I know it can be done. Am aiming for as close passiv as my budget allows. Call in any favours your owed never accept the first or even second price and you will be surprised how much you can save. Having tradesmen in the family really helps. It is def possible but all depends on how much you do yourselves, I had wife and kids loading scaffold out with roof tiles.

4Sticks

declan52 wrote: »

I had wife and kids loading scaffold out with roof tiles.

Says it all really. 1st March really is D Day for the likes of you.

Edit

No doubt you cleared this with your EL/PL insurance provider just in case one of the family had an accident - right ?

mandy gall

Great to hear that and we are full sure can be achieved. Good luck with it. Speaking of windows what did u decide on and approx how much?

893bet

declan52 wrote: »

Keep your head up and build to your budget. Have got my own self build ready for windows for approx 35000, its a 2500sqft bungalow. Built it, felt and lathed and tiled roof myself. Have another 85000 to finish it. Had to do detailed costings for bank so I know it can be done. Am aiming for as close passiv as my budget allows. Call in any favours your owed never accept the first or even second price and you will be surprised how much you can save. Having tradesmen in the family really helps. It is def possible but all depends on how much you do yourselves, I had wife and kids loading scaffold out with roof tiles.

So you did the block work and roofed it basically? What help is that to the OP?

893bet

mandy gall wrote: »

Great to hear that and we are full sure can be achieved. Good luck with it. Speaking of windows what did u decide on and approx how much?

Is the OP a Blocklayer? Or a carpenter?

Are you?

Therefore his example is no use to either of you.

mandy gall

Actually declan52 it doesnt matter what profession you are i bet you have finished your blockwork and roof to a much higher standard than any bricky or carpenter because its YOUR home for YOUR family. Youre very lucky to be outside these new crazy regs. Best of luck with the rest of your self build!

4Sticks

Novel idea. Forget trades professions and specialized skills. We should all do everything for ourslves.
Good luck finding a Certifier to all the Mandys out there

mandy gall

Well unless a contractor takes you under his wing so to speak all the trades will have to leave ireland. You wait and see the mayhem these regs cause. The building control authorities themselves cant even understand them. Hows that for a novel idea our brill government have come up with - totally unworkable building control.

declan52

All the scaffold was safe to work on, really some people on here need to get a grip. Am I really going to put anybody different trades or family members at risk to save money. I used to be a brickie but have learnt most jobs from working on sites for nearly 20 years. If you take your time like I did, instead of throwing the house up due to having to have it finished to suit a price you will be surprised how gd it can be. The op said she had a family of tradesmen so I assumed there is someone who can stick a few blocks together. Building control have had a gd look everytime they have called out and are more than happy. Only a few diagonal bracing missing in roof space which was easily fixed. i know the new regs will have an impact but I started last year so am ok and having accounts for so long would prob be ok anyway.

sydthebeat

mandy gall wrote: »

Actually declan52 it doesnt matter what profession you are i bet you have finished your blockwork and roof to a much higher standard than any bricky or carpenter because its YOUR home for YOUR family. Youre very lucky to be outside these new crazy regs. Best of luck with the rest of your self build!

oh i LOVE your approach mandy.....

im going to start doing my familys dental work... sure ill do a better job than those 'pretend doctors' who you have to pay to do something as silly as drilling holes or pull teeth.... sounds absolutely simple ... and of course as its MY family ill do a much better job... and THEY will love me all the more for it

893bet

For clarity I have no problem with what Declan is doing. I wish to god I had the skills to do some of that kind of work myself. He prob saved himself 10k labour or more already.

But why other people use his example to justify that cheap building is possible then is crazy given that few self builders have those skills. It's not comparing a like for like.

893bet

declan52 wrote: »

All the scaffold was safe to work on, really some people on here need to get a grip. Am I really going to put anybody different trades or family members at risk to save money. I used to be a brickie but have learnt most jobs from working on sites for nearly 20 years. If you take your time like I did, instead of throwing the house up due to having to have it finished to suit a price you will be surprised how gd it can be. The op said she had a family of tradesmen so I assumed there is someone who can stick a few blocks together. Building control have had a gd look everytime they have called out and are more than happy. Only a few diagonal bracing missing in roof space which was easily fixed. i know the new regs will have an impact but I started last year so am ok and having accounts for so long would prob be ok anyway.

OP has said it is a requirement of their mortgage to go with a registered contractor. Means VAT, insurance etc.

Yet people are in here advising that they can build a mansion for nothing.

Happyman42

893bet wrote: »

For clarity I have no problem with what Declan is doing. I wish to god I had the skills to do some of that kind of work myself. He prob saved himself 10k labour or more already.

But why other people use his example to justify that cheap building is possible then is crazy given that few self builders have those skills. It's not comparing a like for like.

The option to do this if you are able has been removed. That is the great sin.
No sooner than the Galway tent rubbish had been dismantled this gov has found a way to keep the money in the top echelon in construction and bugger the man/woman who wants to sidestep that. Nobody wants to see 'bad building' but to say that all self builds are nessecarily 'bad' and to draw up kneejerk legislation is a joke...an expensive joke. Not just in further cost to the home builder but the as yet unseen knock on effects.

kkelliher

Sure lets throw out the idea of regulation, education of trades and all control of any sort because when we had that buildings were perfectly built by caring hands.... .really?

Happyman42

kkelliher wrote: »

Sure lets throw out the idea of regulation, education of trades and all control of any sort because when we had that buildings were perfectly built by caring hands.... .really?

Who said any of that?
Are you saying that all 'self builds' are inherently bad?

mandy gall

Now now i think dentalwork is far more technical than blockwork dont you agree??

4Sticks

Blockwork is more technical than you think.
I don't expect you agree.
It doesn't matter anyway because as of next week others will by law make that decision for you.

mandy gall

Happyman tune i to joe duffy show today should be very interesting. Self building is a right of every person with inspections of course. The uk system excellent. Rip off ireland again and good old fashioned begrudjery!! (Prob not correct spelling because im not one!)

mandy gall

I dont think it will work at all just watch and see. By the way its not only the Mandys out there that thinks like this. I am by no means running down any trade. I admire them. I wish i had one! The best of luck to all in the construction industry after next saturday.

Happyman42

4Sticks wrote: »

Blockwork is more technical than you think.
I don't expect you agree.
It doesn't matter anyway because as of next week others will by law make that decision for you.

Yes it is 'technical', but with proper care and attention, can and has been done all over the country. The notion of people throwing up blocks willy nilly is what you are trying to portray...fail!

mandy gall

What i said dentalwork is more technical than blockwork. I didnt say blockwork wasnt technical. And no self builder would do anything willy nilly like the cowboy builders.

declan52

It doesnt really matter who actually does the work if you have a set budget then that is what you have to work to. As long as you are prepared to lower you expectations to what you can actually afford then its possible. You might have a few rooms unfinished maybe the garden not done but everybodies self build is the same unless money is no problem. Its all a trade of of what you want and what you can afford and what you can live with.

4Sticks

Declan - rightly or wrongly none of that is the case as of 1st March next

kkelliher

Happyman42 wrote: »

Who said any of that?
Are you saying that all 'self builds' are inherently bad?

of course they are not, and the same goes for all sections of the industry and every industry but if you simply allow a cart blanch attitude as being outlined by some then there would be no control or inspection of any property and there would be no requirement on anyone to reach any type of standard.

Remembering thr outcry at priory hall and the public reaction to same flys in the face of what some people on here now believe is not required. Given that priory hall is the tip of an iceberg, i cant see why anyone would be against a more controled building environment.

BryanF

ok we've had a enough digs at the government and dentists

the OP has not posted in several pages, unless something relevant to the OP is posted, this thread will be closed

Happyman42

kkelliher wrote: »

of course they are not, and the same goes for all sections of the industry and every industry but if you simply allow a cart blanch attitude as being outlined by some then there would be no control or inspection of any property and there would be no requirement on anyone to reach any type of standard.

Remembering thr outcry at priory hall and the public reaction to same flys in the face of what some people on here now believe is not required. Given that priory hall is the tip of an iceberg, i cant see why anyone would be against a more controled building environment.

Nobody I can see is saying that 'no inspection regime' or a 'carte blanche' approach is right, I am saying that this legislation is wrong, counterproductive and unworkable. It will all break down very quickly for those reasons.