Can YOU smoke eCigs in your local pub/restaurant?

Spanish Eyes

I went to a pub/restaurant in Dublin last weekend. I am not going to name it. So don't ask! Just for now anyway.

My OH has quit cigs and uses the VIP eCigs. When we went to the Pub side of the place after dinner, out came the eCig (not in the restaurant), the barman asked not to use them. Owners Policy.

This was a eCig with the blue light, so there would be no confusion as to whether it was a REAL cig or not.

No problem, no e CIG used, we are not arguers! and then after one drink we went home.

So I just wondered what is your experience. Thanks.

biko

Yes I can and have.
I think this question has been asked and answered a few times in Ecigs forum (with names of establishments).

MonstaMash

Etiquette re., e-cigs is a grey area...rule of thumb is to inquire whether it would be a problem or not, a simple courtesy to avoid aggravation for both parties.

Your question might be best suited here...http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=1497

Spanish Eyes

Thanks folks, never thought to check the ECig forum. Doh!

Thanks for the heads up.

J_E

I don't see why they can't be used if they don't cause the stink normal cigarettes do.

positron

It would be nice if some restaurants banned mobile phones....

Sir Arthur Daley

positron wrote: »

It would be nice if some restaurants banned mobile phones....

Just plug out the wifi router.

Filibuster

Does eCigs have the same 2nd hand smoke as proper fags. Like when you puff out that blue chemical mist out of your mouth, does it contain nicotine which will infect your fellow pub goers.

BillyMitchel

What restaurant was it?

thecatspjs

WikiHow wrote: »

Just plug out the wifi router.

It's not even that. Some people just can't relax without a bloody phone in their hand. I've seen people just flick aimlessly in their settings or whatever to look busy. I'm embarrassed for them.

Sir Arthur Daley

thecatspjs wrote: »

It's not even that. Some people just can't relax without a bloody phone in their hand. I've seen people just flick aimlessly in their settings or whatever to look busy. I'm embarrassed for them.

I agree, some people cant put down the phone at all.

Stained Class

Filibuster wrote: »

Does eCigs have the same 2nd hand smoke as proper fags. Like when you puff out that blue chemical mist out of your mouth, does it contain nicotine which will infect your fellow pub goers.

No. It's Vapour, not smoke.

Nicotine actually is a pretty harmless drug,much like caffiene.

The problem with smoking is the way the nicotine is taken in.

Vaping is pretty harmless.

biko

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I went to a pub/restaurant in Dublin last weekend. I am not going to name it. So don't ask!

BillyMitchel wrote: »

What restaurant was it?

It's a secret.

Spanish Eyes

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I went to a pub/restaurant in Dublin last weekend. I am not going to name it. So don't ask! Just for now anyway.

My OH has quit cigs and uses the VIP eCigs. When we went to the Pub side of the place after dinner, out came the eCig (not in the restaurant), the barman asked not to use them. Owners Policy.

This was a eCig with the blue light, so there would be no confusion as to whether it was a REAL cig or not.

No problem, no e CIG used, we are not arguers! and then after one drink we went home.

So I just wondered what is your experience. Thanks.

Apart from telling you it was 'owners policy' did he give any other reason as to why?

Michael D Not Higgins

I use mine everywhere. In work, on the train, in hotels, in bars etc. Usually if there's other people around I'll hold it in and the vapour isn't visible when I exhale.

keith16

Stained Class wrote: »

Vaping is pretty harmless.

Are there any studies proving this?

The aul e cigs are great for using in Hospital as well, when you are too sick/sore to get out of bed:)

lertsnim

WikiHow wrote: »

Just plug out the wifi router.

3G and 4G. What do you propose they do about that?

Penny Tration

I've never been stopped from vaping anywhere. I don't do it in restaurants, but happily vape in pubs/clubs/buses/hotel rooms. Never had an issue, thankfully.

Ultimately it's down to the establishment and their own policies. I wouldn't have any issue with being asked not to vape somewhere.

riffmongous

I don't know much about them, but is there a smell off some of them?

Spanish Eyes

Jake1 wrote: »

Apart from telling you it was 'owners policy' did he give any other reason as to why?

No he didn't. He was very cool about it, but the policy was no vaping/eCigs in the bar. We would not overrule him and get him into any trouble. That was the policy, so we observed it. As you do.

My post was to ask about other peoples experience in pubs and coffee shops and the like.

I had a look at the eCig forum, but they are all into their juices, lol.! Will search that forum later.

And I have to agree that mobile phones are SOO much more anti social in a bar with friends than an eCig. Jeez some people playing with their devices! And checking them every minute. Drives me nuts.

but maybe they are a bit insecure, can't keep up a convo, la la la.

BillyMitchel

biko wrote: »

It's a secret.

But I can keep secrets.

MonstaMash

BillyMitchel wrote: »

But I can keep secrets.

Prove it

Spanish Eyes

keith16 wrote: »

Are there any studies proving this?

Don't know, but at a guess, I'd say too much alcohol is far more dangerous for many reasons.

Do you ask imbibers if their consumption is dangerous? They might punch you or knock you out, or get sick, or crash a car, or cause mayhem.

But vapour? Not sure if it's up there really.

Spanish Eyes

riffmongous wrote: »

I don't know much about them, but is there a smell off some of them?

You taking about the people using eCigs, or the vapour itself?

Stained Class

keith16 wrote: »

Are there any studies proving this?

I haven't seen anything to suggest that these things are bad for you.

As Vaping is still a new thing, there's no long term studies as of yet to determine the effects of long term usage.

Personally, I'm happy to continue with it. Can't see any harm in it really.

Has to be better than smoking.

riffmongous

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

You taking about the people using eCigs, or the vapour itself?

Well it's enough to know about the vapour :P I just remember people being asked to stop using what I thought were eCigs in different places I worked, but in fairness there was a fairly strong and distinct smell off the ecigs

BillyMitchel

MonstaMash wrote: »

Prove it

Well me and your mama are...

Shît, maybe I can't!

Spanish Eyes

riffmongous wrote: »

Well it's enough to know about the vapour :P I just remember people being asked to stop using what I thought were eCigs in different places I worked, but in fairness there was a fairly strong and distinct smell off the ecigs

Maybe there was, for you, but honestly, the ones my OH uses have no smell, unless my smellers arent working right! I don't detect any smell, in comparison with real cigarettes, ugh.... There is no comparison.

MonstaMash

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Well me and your mama are...

Shît, maybe I can't!

Dude...you're a necrophiliac :eek:

BillyMitchel

MonstaMash wrote: »

Dude...you're a necrophiliac :eek:

See I've kept a secret for 30 years!

I can keep one, I can. I'm a real boy!

harry Bailey esq

Theres a good few in my local that use those e cigs and they all go to the smoking area with them but its not an actual rule as far as i know.I wouldn't see any harm in people using them indoors

riffmongous

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Maybe there was, for you, but honestly, the ones my OH uses have no smell, unless my smellers arent working right! I don't detect any smell, in comparison with real cigarettes, ugh.... There is no comparison.

Well it wasnt just me obviously, it was everyone there

Stained Class

Well, went down to the local tonight.

Tested the theory on this.

Nae Probs. Good to go.

Everybody knows about this now..

Vape Well

Spanish Eyes

Stained Class wrote: »

Well, went down to the local tonight.

Tested the theory on this.

Nae Probs. Good to go.

Everybody knows about this now..

Vape Well

Good to hear that. Is your local in Ireland?

Had to ask because of the vague Scots accent there... Nae Probs..lol. :pac:

Stained Class

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Good to hear that. Is your local in Ireland?

Had to ask because of the vague Scots accent there... Nae Probs..lol. :pac:

It is.

I was just in from the pub when I posted it. Fairly full, I was.:D

Spanish Eyes

Stained Class wrote: »

It is.

I was just in from the pub when I posted it. Fairly full, I was.:D

Love to hear enjoyment of a Sunday Night!

OneArt

Filibuster wrote: »

Does eCigs have the same 2nd hand smoke as proper fags. Like when you puff out that blue chemical mist out of your mouth, does it contain nicotine which will infect your fellow pub goers.

Nicotine isn't the killer. It's what gets you hooked. It's the hundreds of other chemicals in cigarettes, and the tar, that are dangerous.

Vapour doesn't hang around in the air like smoke does either.

sawdoubters

People standing near someone using an e-cigarette will be exposed to nicotine, There is ongoing public debate whether e-cigarettes should be allowed or prohibited in public spaces," study co-author Maciej Goniewicz told Reuters Health in an email.

Goniewicz is a cancer researcher in the Department of Health Behavior at the Roswell Park Cancer Institute in Buffalo, New York.

"E-cigarettes contain variable amounts of nicotine and some traces of toxicants. But very little is known to what extent non-users can be exposed to nicotine and other chemicals in situations when they are present in the same room with users of e-cigarettes," Goniewicz said

keith16

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Don't know, but at a guess, I'd say too much alcohol is far more dangerous for many reasons.

Do you ask imbibers if their consumption is dangerous? They might punch you or knock you out, or get sick, or crash a car, or cause mayhem.

But vapour? Not sure if it's up there really.

Eh, what? Not sure what you are getting at there. Excessive alcohol has known effects on peoples health, that is not in dispute.

I didn't ask anyone if they thought vaping was dangerous. A claim was made that vaping is pretty safe.

A claim that can't be backed up as far as I can see.

Spanish Eyes

sawdoubters wrote: »

People standing near someone using an e-cigarette will be exposed to nicotine, There is ongoing public debate whether e-cigarettes should be allowed or prohibited in public spaces," study co-author Maciej Goniewicz told Reuters Health in an email.

Goniewicz is a cancer researcher in the Department of Health Behavior at the Roswell Park Cancer Institute in Buffalo, New York.

"E-cigarettes contain variable amounts of nicotine and some traces of toxicants. But very little is known to what extent non-users can be exposed to nicotine and other chemicals in situations when they are present in the same room with users of e-cigarettes," Goniewicz said

And we're off!

How long did it take for cigarettes to be vilified? If inanimate objects can be described as such?

But no matter, eCigs will be banned everywhere in two to three years..

1. Because of money...excise duties, and
2. Nico nazis.

Spanish Eyes

keith16 wrote: »

Eh, what? Not sure what you are getting at there. Excessive alcohol has known effects on peoples health, that is not in dispute.

I didn't ask anyone if they thought vaping was dangerous. A claim was made that vaping is pretty safe.

A claim that can't be backed up as far as I can see.

Ah, no worries. No one knows, except the smell and the chemicals are not there in eCigs.

The buzz word is eCigs are a Nicotine Delivery System. Probably like a cup of coffee in a cafetiere delivers caffeine, with steam attached.

Vaping will be the next big thing to be banned by the nanny State though.

Why I wonder? Money and taxes maybe.

o1s1n

keith16 wrote: »

Eh, what? Not sure what you are getting at there. Excessive alcohol has known effects on peoples health, that is not in dispute.

I didn't ask anyone if they thought vaping was dangerous. A claim was made that vaping is pretty safe.

A claim that can't be backed up as far as I can see.

It hasn't been around long enough for tests to back up any claims. We won't know for years down the line.

However, if you look at real life scenarios where people gave up regular smokes and switched to vaping;

They tend to no longer be out of breath when exercising.
They no longer have a 'smoker's cough' or coughing up phlegm.
They don't have yellow fingers/teeth/bad breath.
They aren't effecting anyone else with passive smoke, it's simply vapour.
They don't stink of smoke.
In many cases it leads to nicotine-less juices and giving us nicotine completely.

So although we don't have the results of years of studies, I would be of the opinion that taking in the above facts, it's at least a giant leap up from regular smoking. Something which should be seen as a positive thing.

Wibbs

sawdoubters wrote: »

Goniewicz is a cancer researcher in the Department of Health Behavior at the Roswell Park Cancer Institute in Buffalo, New York. windy whinging Moll Flanders nouveau ascetic killjoy, convinced on the back of very bad "science"(ha!) masquerading as opinion that his whining worldview is correct and hoping to get fame from his opinion

Fixed that for you. The hazards of secondhand smoke while there, are massively over egged as it is, the "hazards" of secondhand vaping are going to proven so minimal as to be pretty much nil. But let's never let fact get in the way of a twattish opinion folks. The postmodern world is chock full of that ballsology. And this is coming from a man who would echo John Lennon's lyrics "I'll have another cigarette and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid get". An echo I'm gladly free of.

In God's name when did we as a society become so fcuking beige? If all you have to be concerned with is the rapidly fading vapour from an e ciggie, then I would respectfully suggest you thank your lucky stars for a life so free of hazards.

Wibbs

o1s1n wrote: »

So although we don't have the results of years of studies, I would be of the opinion that taking in the above facts, it's at least a giant leap up from regular smoking. Something which should be seen as a positive thing.

Good god Sir, stop being so sensible, the hippies, the Nannieists and killjoys will smell blood in the water. Can't be having sense being brought into such a discussion. Perish the thought O.

Spanish Eyes

o1s1n wrote: »

It hasn't been around long enough for tests to back up any claims. We won't know for years down the line.

However, if you look at real life scenarios where people gave up regular smokes and switched to vaping;

They tend to no longer be out of breath when exercising.
They no longer have a 'smoker's cough' or coughing up phlegm.
They don't have yellow fingers/teeth/bad breath.
They aren't effecting anyone else with passive smoke, it's simply vapour.
They don't stink of smoke.
In many cases it leads to nicotine-less juices and giving us nicotine completely.

So although we don't have the results of years of studies, I would be of the opinion that taking in the above facts, it's at least a giant leap up from regular smoking. Something which should be seen as a positive thing.

Touché.

But the nico nazis, and the Excise Man will be on to your totally rational view in a heartbeat.

Watch this space!

o1s1n

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Touché.

But the nico nazis, and the Excise Man will be on to your totally rational view in a heartbeat.

Watch this space!

A couple more to add to the list;

They don't experience sinus irritation and headaches associated with smoking.
They don't experience eye irritation from exhaled smoke. (this was something I used to get really badly believe it or not)

If you want to talk about safety and the home;

They don't risk burning down their house due to falling asleep with a lit cigarette.

So yes, I would say that when comparing to regular smoking, right at this very moment, vaping is 'fairly' safe.

That 'fairly' covers the current lack of regulation surrounding ejuice production.

However, this isn't a problem with vaping itself but rather the regulation of ejuice production, something which does need to be looked at.

Robbo

Vaping should be banned in public precisely for the reason that the vaper will feel compelled to talk about it, an unfortunate side-effect that has had no research conducted into it so far. Except for internets anecdotes.

Everyone's saying how the vapour is so much better than smoke. But smoking is banned indoors so how does vapour being better make it acceptable for inside? The vapour has nicotine in it, and as such isn't harmless. I'd expect it not to be a big deal for non-smokers, but what about smokers that have spent a long time trying to get over a nicotine addiction? Surely it's insensitive to put nicotine in their system, even if it's a small amount?

Michael D Not Higgins

true-or-false wrote: »

Everyone's saying how the vapour is so much better than smoke. But smoking is banned indoors so how does vapour being better make it acceptable for inside? The vapour has nicotine in it, and as such isn't harmless. I'd expect it not to be a big deal for non-smokers, but what about smokers that have spent a long time trying to get over a nicotine addiction? Surely it's insensitive to put nicotine in their system, even if it's a small amount?

Nicotine is not the reason cigarettes are banned inside, it's the other carcinogenic compounds in smoke which makes secondhand smoke dangerous.

While it's unclear as of yet what effect secondhand vapour can do, it has reportedly 10 times less nicotine in it than cigarette smoke.

Michael D Not Higgins

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Nicotine is not the reason cigarettes are banned inside, it's the other carcinogenic compounds in smoke which makes secondhand smoke dangerous.

I didn't make my point very clear.

I meant that I don't think a negligible amount (compared to a regular cigarettes) of nicotine is going to damage a person's health, but that smoking these around ex-smokers could well be a trigger them to take up smoking. It's an addictive substance, and while the amount of it may be 10 times less than that in a cigarette, it's surely irresponsible to smoke them inside when we don't know? I don't think the nicotine is anywhere near as dangerous as actual cigarette smoke. It's more the possible psychological effects of high/long-term exposure.

I've heard similar stories with Nicorette, where the presumed harmless intake of nicotine (minus all the dangerous chemicals) ended up increasing the person's addiction to nicotine, and they ended up giving up the nicorette and smoking more than before. That's just anecdotal, but I definitely think that with e-cigarettes being so much healthier than cigarettes, people are too quick to completely trust them.