Can YOU smoke eCigs in your local pub/restaurant?

harry Bailey esq · 08-02-2014 06:36PM

Theres a good few in my local that use those e cigs and they all go to the smoking area with them but its not an actual rule as far as i know.I wouldn't see any harm in people using them indoors

08-02-2014 08:02PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Maybe there was, for you, but honestly, the ones my OH uses have no smell, unless my smellers arent working right! I don't detect any smell, in comparison with real cigarettes, ugh.... There is no comparison.

Well it wasnt just me obviously, it was everyone there

Stained Class · 09-02-2014 03:08AM

Well, went down to the local tonight.

Tested the theory on this.

Nae Probs. Good to go.

Everybody knows about this now..

Vape Well

Spanish Eyes · 09-02-2014 10:28PM

Stained Class wrote: »

Well, went down to the local tonight.

Tested the theory on this.

Nae Probs. Good to go.

Everybody knows about this now..

Vape Well

Good to hear that. Is your local in Ireland?

Had to ask because of the vague Scots accent there... Nae Probs..lol. :pac:

Stained Class · 09-02-2014 10:38PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Good to hear that. Is your local in Ireland?

Had to ask because of the vague Scots accent there... Nae Probs..lol. :pac:

It is.

I was just in from the pub when I posted it. Fairly full, I was.:D

Spanish Eyes · 09-02-2014 10:45PM

Stained Class wrote: »

It is.

I was just in from the pub when I posted it. Fairly full, I was.:D

Love to hear enjoyment of a Sunday Night!

OneArt · 09-02-2014 10:49PM

Filibuster wrote: »

Does eCigs have the same 2nd hand smoke as proper fags. Like when you puff out that blue chemical mist out of your mouth, does it contain nicotine which will infect your fellow pub goers.

Nicotine isn't the killer. It's what gets you hooked. It's the hundreds of other chemicals in cigarettes, and the tar, that are dangerous.

Vapour doesn't hang around in the air like smoke does either.

sawdoubters · 09-02-2014 10:54PM

People standing near someone using an e-cigarette will be exposed to nicotine, There is ongoing public debate whether e-cigarettes should be allowed or prohibited in public spaces," study co-author Maciej Goniewicz told Reuters Health in an email.

Goniewicz is a cancer researcher in the Department of Health Behavior at the Roswell Park Cancer Institute in Buffalo, New York.

"E-cigarettes contain variable amounts of nicotine and some traces of toxicants. But very little is known to what extent non-users can be exposed to nicotine and other chemicals in situations when they are present in the same room with users of e-cigarettes," Goniewicz said

keith16 · 09-02-2014 10:59PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Don't know, but at a guess, I'd say too much alcohol is far more dangerous for many reasons.

Do you ask imbibers if their consumption is dangerous? They might punch you or knock you out, or get sick, or crash a car, or cause mayhem.

But vapour? Not sure if it's up there really.

Eh, what? Not sure what you are getting at there. Excessive alcohol has known effects on peoples health, that is not in dispute.

I didn't ask anyone if they thought vaping was dangerous. A claim was made that vaping is pretty safe.

A claim that can't be backed up as far as I can see.

Spanish Eyes · 09-02-2014 11:02PM

sawdoubters wrote: »

People standing near someone using an e-cigarette will be exposed to nicotine, There is ongoing public debate whether e-cigarettes should be allowed or prohibited in public spaces," study co-author Maciej Goniewicz told Reuters Health in an email.

Goniewicz is a cancer researcher in the Department of Health Behavior at the Roswell Park Cancer Institute in Buffalo, New York.

"E-cigarettes contain variable amounts of nicotine and some traces of toxicants. But very little is known to what extent non-users can be exposed to nicotine and other chemicals in situations when they are present in the same room with users of e-cigarettes," Goniewicz said

And we're off!

How long did it take for cigarettes to be vilified? If inanimate objects can be described as such?

But no matter, eCigs will be banned everywhere in two to three years..

1. Because of money...excise duties, and
2. Nico nazis.

Spanish Eyes · 09-02-2014 11:07PM

keith16 wrote: »

Eh, what? Not sure what you are getting at there. Excessive alcohol has known effects on peoples health, that is not in dispute.

I didn't ask anyone if they thought vaping was dangerous. A claim was made that vaping is pretty safe.

A claim that can't be backed up as far as I can see.

Ah, no worries. No one knows, except the smell and the chemicals are not there in eCigs.

The buzz word is eCigs are a Nicotine Delivery System. Probably like a cup of coffee in a cafetiere delivers caffeine, with steam attached.

Vaping will be the next big thing to be banned by the nanny State though.

Why I wonder? Money and taxes maybe.

o1s1n · 09-02-2014 11:35PM

keith16 wrote: »

Eh, what? Not sure what you are getting at there. Excessive alcohol has known effects on peoples health, that is not in dispute.

I didn't ask anyone if they thought vaping was dangerous. A claim was made that vaping is pretty safe.

A claim that can't be backed up as far as I can see.

It hasn't been around long enough for tests to back up any claims. We won't know for years down the line.

However, if you look at real life scenarios where people gave up regular smokes and switched to vaping;

They tend to no longer be out of breath when exercising.
They no longer have a 'smoker's cough' or coughing up phlegm.
They don't have yellow fingers/teeth/bad breath.
They aren't effecting anyone else with passive smoke, it's simply vapour.
They don't stink of smoke.
In many cases it leads to nicotine-less juices and giving us nicotine completely.

So although we don't have the results of years of studies, I would be of the opinion that taking in the above facts, it's at least a giant leap up from regular smoking. Something which should be seen as a positive thing.

Wibbs · 09-02-2014 11:47PM

sawdoubters wrote: »

Goniewicz is a cancer researcher in the Department of Health Behavior at the Roswell Park Cancer Institute in Buffalo, New York. windy whinging Moll Flanders nouveau ascetic killjoy, convinced on the back of very bad "science"(ha!) masquerading as opinion that his whining worldview is correct and hoping to get fame from his opinion

Fixed that for you. The hazards of secondhand smoke while there, are massively over egged as it is, the "hazards" of secondhand vaping are going to proven so minimal as to be pretty much nil. But let's never let fact get in the way of a twattish opinion folks. The postmodern world is chock full of that ballsology. And this is coming from a man who would echo John Lennon's lyrics "I'll have another cigarette and curse Sir Walter Raleigh, he was such a stupid get". An echo I'm gladly free of.

In God's name when did we as a society become so fcuking beige? If all you have to be concerned with is the rapidly fading vapour from an e ciggie, then I would respectfully suggest you thank your lucky stars for a life so free of hazards.

Wibbs · 09-02-2014 11:52PM

o1s1n wrote: »

So although we don't have the results of years of studies, I would be of the opinion that taking in the above facts, it's at least a giant leap up from regular smoking. Something which should be seen as a positive thing.

Good god Sir, stop being so sensible, the hippies, the Nannieists and killjoys will smell blood in the water. Can't be having sense being brought into such a discussion. Perish the thought O.

Spanish Eyes · 10-02-2014 12:00AM

o1s1n wrote: »

It hasn't been around long enough for tests to back up any claims. We won't know for years down the line.

However, if you look at real life scenarios where people gave up regular smokes and switched to vaping;

They tend to no longer be out of breath when exercising.
They no longer have a 'smoker's cough' or coughing up phlegm.
They don't have yellow fingers/teeth/bad breath.
They aren't effecting anyone else with passive smoke, it's simply vapour.
They don't stink of smoke.
In many cases it leads to nicotine-less juices and giving us nicotine completely.

So although we don't have the results of years of studies, I would be of the opinion that taking in the above facts, it's at least a giant leap up from regular smoking. Something which should be seen as a positive thing.

Touché.

But the nico nazis, and the Excise Man will be on to your totally rational view in a heartbeat.

Watch this space!

o1s1n · 10-02-2014 11:28AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Touché.

But the nico nazis, and the Excise Man will be on to your totally rational view in a heartbeat.

Watch this space!

A couple more to add to the list;

They don't experience sinus irritation and headaches associated with smoking.
They don't experience eye irritation from exhaled smoke. (this was something I used to get really badly believe it or not)

If you want to talk about safety and the home;

They don't risk burning down their house due to falling asleep with a lit cigarette.

So yes, I would say that when comparing to regular smoking, right at this very moment, vaping is 'fairly' safe.

That 'fairly' covers the current lack of regulation surrounding ejuice production.

However, this isn't a problem with vaping itself but rather the regulation of ejuice production, something which does need to be looked at.

Robbo · 10-02-2014 11:52AM

Vaping should be banned in public precisely for the reason that the vaper will feel compelled to talk about it, an unfortunate side-effect that has had no research conducted into it so far. Except for internets anecdotes.

10-02-2014 12:40PM

Everyone's saying how the vapour is so much better than smoke. But smoking is banned indoors so how does vapour being better make it acceptable for inside? The vapour has nicotine in it, and as such isn't harmless. I'd expect it not to be a big deal for non-smokers, but what about smokers that have spent a long time trying to get over a nicotine addiction? Surely it's insensitive to put nicotine in their system, even if it's a small amount?

Michael D Not Higgins · 10-02-2014 01:11PM

true-or-false wrote: »

Everyone's saying how the vapour is so much better than smoke. But smoking is banned indoors so how does vapour being better make it acceptable for inside? The vapour has nicotine in it, and as such isn't harmless. I'd expect it not to be a big deal for non-smokers, but what about smokers that have spent a long time trying to get over a nicotine addiction? Surely it's insensitive to put nicotine in their system, even if it's a small amount?

Nicotine is not the reason cigarettes are banned inside, it's the other carcinogenic compounds in smoke which makes secondhand smoke dangerous.

While it's unclear as of yet what effect secondhand vapour can do, it has reportedly 10 times less nicotine in it than cigarette smoke.

10-02-2014 01:56PM

Michael D Not Higgins wrote: »

Nicotine is not the reason cigarettes are banned inside, it's the other carcinogenic compounds in smoke which makes secondhand smoke dangerous.

I didn't make my point very clear.

I meant that I don't think a negligible amount (compared to a regular cigarettes) of nicotine is going to damage a person's health, but that smoking these around ex-smokers could well be a trigger them to take up smoking. It's an addictive substance, and while the amount of it may be 10 times less than that in a cigarette, it's surely irresponsible to smoke them inside when we don't know? I don't think the nicotine is anywhere near as dangerous as actual cigarette smoke. It's more the possible psychological effects of high/long-term exposure.

I've heard similar stories with Nicorette, where the presumed harmless intake of nicotine (minus all the dangerous chemicals) ended up increasing the person's addiction to nicotine, and they ended up giving up the nicorette and smoking more than before. That's just anecdotal, but I definitely think that with e-cigarettes being so much healthier than cigarettes, people are too quick to completely trust them.

Michael D Not Higgins · 10-02-2014 02:19PM

true-or-false wrote: »

I didn't make my point very clear.

I meant that I don't think a negligible amount (compared to a regular cigarettes) of nicotine is going to damage a person's health, but that smoking these around ex-smokers could well be a trigger them to take up smoking. It's an addictive substance, and while the amount of it may be 10 times less than that in a cigarette, it's surely irresponsible to smoke them inside when we don't know? I don't think the nicotine is anywhere near as dangerous as actual cigarette smoke. It's more the possible psychological effects of high/long-term exposure.

I've heard similar stories with Nicorette, where the presumed harmless intake of nicotine (minus all the dangerous chemicals) ended up increasing the person's addiction to nicotine, and they ended up giving up the nicorette and smoking more than before. That's just anecdotal, but I definitely think that with e-cigarettes being so much healthier than cigarettes, people are too quick to completely trust them.

I get where you're coming from but you have to take into account that e-cigs aren't pumping out secondhand nicotine all the time like a lit cigarette is. Also the amount of nicotine in the air is completely different to what's inhaled by the user.

A back of the envelope calculation shows it would take 67 days breathing the nicotine air of an e-cig to compare with the nicotine in a cigarette gotten directly.

(respitory rate: 20 min^-1
tidal volume: 0.5L
e-cig nicotine air: 3.3µg/m^3
cigarette nicotine content: 3.2mg
breathing: 10L/min
3.3µg in 100 mins
3.2mg in 97,000 mins ≈ 67 days)

Can YOU smoke eCigs in your local pub/restaurant?

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