Why do ticket companies not fix the issue of touting?

MadsL

In the current absence of a touting thread and as we have a big day for tickets, I even saw €850 being asked for two Garth Brookes tickets today, let's continue talking about touting.

Why don't the likes of ticketmaster stamp this out? Surely it would be easy to print the credit card holders name on the tickets or request the name at time of purchase?

Better yet, why don't we just tell touts NO, and refuse to pay more than face value?

donegal__road

because at a guess, people connected to Ticketmaster are touts themselves ...

MadsL

donegal__road wrote: »

because at a guess, people connected to Ticketmaster are touts themselves ...

That calls for a law just like insider trading, no?

Guffy

Not that I agree with touts but do u not pay more than face value with ticket master?

donegal__road

MadsL wrote: »

That calls for a law just like insider trading, no?

yes, it should do alright... are there any ticket companies outside of Ireland that do as you mentioned, and print the cardholders details on the ticket? It would be an idea..





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AngryHippie

yeah, refuse to buy them, and force the scalpers to go and listen to Garth Brooks. Very suitable punishment.

The Garth Brooks thing sickens my ring to be brutally honest. I've never rated him as a performer, and his hokey honky tonk sh!te music to generate E15million in sales in a matter of hours never ceases to amaze me. In a country in the middle of a recession/depression cycle, that the disposable income exist to effectively donate a couple of million to this hack.......

Anyway, rant over. Have fun everyone who managed to get a ticket. Hope its worth the entry fee.

Banjo String

MadsL wrote: »

In the current absence of a touting thread and as we have a big day for tickets, I even saw €850 being asked for two Garth Brookes tickets today, let's continue talking about touting.

Why don't the likes of ticketmaster stamp this out? Surely it would be easy to print the credit card holders name on the tickets or request the name at time of purchase?

Better yet, why don't we just tell touts NO, and refuse to pay more than face value?

Supply and demand unfortunately.

It wouldn't be feasible for ticket master to start taking some kind of I . D to process a booking (circa airline style) resulting in a ticket only being valid with accompanying id.

As long as we have fans willing to pay to see events, be it sporting/musical or whatever, and as long as these events can only hold x amount of people, we will always have Y amount of people willing to pay over the odds to be there.

My advice. (learnt from past mistakes) Anyone really desperate for a ticket, if you're buying on ebay/gumtree/etc. Wait until as close to the date of event as you realistically can. They drop to almost face value then after the hype (and desperation/panic) of the superfan dies down.

BillyMitchel

Another thread?

Someone obviously didn't get tickets today!

Print tickets with credit card details on them? Really? People selling tickets for higher prices will or can never be stamped out,

If you think the touts are bad for Garth Brooks, you should look at a Dublin All Ireland final!

MadsL

AngryHippie wrote: »

The Garth Brooks thing sickens my ring to be brutally honest. I've never rated him as a performer, and his hokey honky tonk sh!te music to generate E15million in sales in a matter of hours never ceases to amaze me. In a country in the middle of a recession/depression cycle, that the disposable income exist to effectively donate a couple of million to this hack........

Oh look - someone likes different music to you. And the ticket prices were reasonable considering the demand.

Banjo String wrote: »

It wouldn't be feasible for ticket master to start taking some kind of I . D to process a booking (circa airline style) resulting in a ticket only being valid with accompanying id.

Why? You already mentioned airlines.

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Another thread?

The other thread was deleted.

Links234

MadsL wrote: »

Why don't the likes of ticketmaster stamp this out?

I'd imagine because it works as a little bit of insurance? That if a tout buys 50 tickets, that's 50 sales they've made, and if the tout takes the hit because they don't sell, well ticketmaster is all like "I already got your money dude!"

Gumbo

Why doesn't the hotel federation stop hotels increasing the price of rooms by400% for the gig nights?

It's an open market, supply and demand I suppose!

MadsL

Links234 wrote: »

I'd imagine because it works as a little bit of insurance? That if a tout buys 50 tickets, that's 50 sales they've made, and if the tout takes the hit because they don't sell, well ticketmaster is all like "I already got your money dude!"

So the power is in OUR hands. What do we say to touts? Not Today!!

enda1

Touts are good, they make the market.

donegal__road

BillyMitchel wrote: »

Another thread?

Someone obviously didn't get tickets today!

Print tickets with credit card details on them? Really? People selling tickets for higher prices will or can never be stamped out,

If you think the touts are bad for Garth Brooks, you should look at a Dublin All Ireland final!

no, I think it was meant that it would be only the credit card holders name printed on the ticket.. then again, who's going to be checking to see if you are the person who's name is on the ticket I suppose. There will always be touts by the looks of it..

KERSPLAT!

MadsL wrote: »

So the power is in OUR hands. What do we say to touts? Not Today!!

Tomorrow?

What if tomorrow never comes??

Banjo String

MadsL wrote: »

Why? You already mentioned airlines.


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Not everyone possesses I.D, and tbh, I don't think that it should be a requirement needed to attend a music event (for example)

I get your sentiments, don't get me wrong (i missed out on ACDCs last. Performance in the O2 (and I wouldn't pay the touts)

anncoates

MadsL wrote: »

Why don't the likes of ticketmaster stamp this out? Surely it would be easy to print the credit card holders name on the tickets or request the name at time of purchase?

A lot of the time I buy tickets I often buy for others on my credit card whether it's as a gift or just buying friends tickets at the same time so nobody misses out so it would be tough to implement.

Plus I doubt ticketmaster care as long as they sell the tickets.

At the end of the day it's reprehensible but it's not illegal and categorically not much different to trading in commodities so as long as people provide the demand it will unfortunately continue to happen.

Xavi6

Supply and demand, simple. Even with 200,000+ tickets sold for Brooks (I thought you were better than that Ireland ) there were people crying today because they missed out and would sell their left bollock to go.

I despise the whole touting thing and only ever buy off a ticket exchange if I miss out first time round but if people weren't so desperate to go to something like this there would be no touts. Simple really.

Banjo String

**2 x Golden circle Garth Brooks tickets for sale. Pm for details**

PTH2009

touts are not nice people.

are touts and the crowd that sell the cheap t shirts/merchandise outside gigs the same family/group.

i personally find them people very pushy and forceful.

i once was so desperate to get rid of 2 wwe tickets i sold them to a tout because i needed cash for E40 and i paid E80 each for them :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: and when i siad to him ill sell them for e100 he started getting aggresive

nxbyveromdwjpg

What happened to the other tout thread?

It brought up interesting opinion on why event tickets are treated differently to every other asset when it comes to supply and demand.

Not even locked, but deleted - why?

Stavros Murphy

nm wrote: »

What happened to the other tout thread?

It brought up interesting opinion on why event tickets are treated differently to every other asset when it comes to supply and demand.

Not even locked, but deleted - why?

someone touted.

MadsL

nm wrote: »

What happened to the other tout thread?

It brought up interesting opinion on why event tickets are treated differently to every other asset when it comes to supply and demand.

Not even locked, but deleted - why?

When the mods delete the OP, the thread also gets deleted.

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BillyMitchel wrote: »

you should look at a Dublin All Ireland final!

That's different, because not everyone has a fair and equal chance of getting tickets (if at all), as they don't go on general sale at all and people that have gone to games all year and would queue up for weeks don't even get the opportunity.

For Garth Brooks and the like there were 250,000 chances for everyone. The demand was greater than the supply. There is what, 20 tout ads or something?

248,950+ tickets went to fans in two hours in the fairest way TM could manage it. The system worked. If you didn't get one get over it already, most people did.

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donegal__road wrote: »

because at a guess, people connected to Ticketmaster are touts themselves ...

Connected to? They are actually doing it themselves

http://www.ticketmaster.ie/ticketauctions

1. What are Ticketmaster Auctions?
Ticketmaster auctions allow our venues, promoters, and artists to sell tickets and ticket packages directly to fans on Ticketmaster.ie at a fair market price. it is not possible for customers to directly or indirectly sell their tickets via Ticketmaster auctions.

When you bid on tickets, you will be deciding for yourself how much you would like to pay to attend the event. If you have a valid winning bid at the close of the auction and your credit card is authorised for full payment by your bank, you will receive tickets to the event. There are no charges for entering an auction that you do not win. You will have access to Ticketmaster customer service just as you do for tickets sold through a standard ticket sale.

They are the worst of the worst.

MadsL

nm wrote: »

That's different, because not everyone has a fair and equal chance of getting tickets (if at all), as they don't go on general sale at all and people that have gone to games all year and would queue up for weeks don't even get the opportunity.

For Garth Brooks and the like there were 250,000 chances for everyone. The demand was greater than the supply. There is what, 20 tout ads or something?

248,950+ tickets went to fans in two hours in the fairest way TM could manage it. The system worked. If you didn't get one get over it already, most people did.

Wait and see how many empty seats there will be. I find it odd that 5% of the Irish population want to be at these gigs.

MadsL

nm wrote: »

Connected to? They are actually doing it themselves

http://www.ticketmaster.ie/ticketauctions



They are the worst of the worst.

That is a fucking disgrace. I'll boycott any artist involved with that carry on.

ectoraige

MadsL wrote: »

Better yet, why don't we just tell touts NO, and refuse to pay more than face value?

MadsL wrote: »

So the power is in OUR hands. What do we say to touts? Not Today!!

anncoates wrote: »

A lot of the time I buy tickets I often buy for others on my credit card whether it's as a gift or just buying friends tickets at the same time so nobody misses out

You know what? We can actually do something about it. Use crowdsourcing to deal with the problem, I'll call it "Ethical Touting".

Imagine if every fan today buying tickets for Garth Brooks bought the maximum six tickets, and then went on to sell the spares ones for face value. Somebody with more time and facebook friends then me should start a campaign encouraging everybody to buy up extra tickets for major events and resell them for face value. It won't stop all the touts, but it'll cut their margins, and it'll restore some faith in humanity.

Oh, and come up with a better name than "Ethical Touting", it's sh!te. "Ethiketing", perhaps.

Stavros Murphy

MadsL wrote: »

That is a fucking disgrace. I'll boycott any artist involved with that carry on.

They'll be gutted by your absence.

MadsL

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

They'll be gutted by your absence.

Really not the point now is it?

MadsL

ectoraige wrote: »

You know what? We can actually do something about it. Use crowdsourcing to deal with the problem, I'll call it "Ethical Touting".

Imagine if every fan today buying tickets for Garth Brooks bought the maximum six tickets, and then went on to sell the spares ones for face value. Somebody with more time and facebook friends then me should start a campaign encouraging everybody to buy up extra tickets for major events and resell them for face value. It won't stop all the touts, but it'll cut their margins, and it'll restore some faith in humanity.

Oh, and come up with a better name than "Ethical Touting", it's sh!te. "Ethiketing", perhaps.

That.is.genius.

Stavros Murphy

MadsL wrote: »

That.is.genius.

mmm. Put them up on Adverts. Suffer six weeks of offers to swap for a goldfish and five euro.. or "swap my ads.." which consist of two goldfish and twenty-three concert tickets..

B_Rabbit

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

mmm. Put them up on Adverts. Suffer six weeks of offers to swap for a goldfish and five euro.. or "swap my ads.." which consist of two goldfish and twenty-three concert tickets..

Adverts gets far too much abuse. It's not that bad.

Karl Stein

ectoraige wrote: »

Imagine if every fan today buying tickets for Garth Brooks bought the maximum six tickets, and then went on to sell the spares ones for face value.

How would you stop touts from buying these tickets?

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ectoraige wrote: »

You know what? We can actually do something about it. Use crowdsourcing to deal with the problem, I'll call it "Ethical Touting".

Imagine if every fan today buying tickets for Garth Brooks bought the maximum six tickets, and then went on to sell the spares ones for face value. Somebody with more time and facebook friends then me should start a campaign encouraging everybody to buy up extra tickets for major events and resell them for face value. It won't stop all the touts, but it'll cut their margins, and it'll restore some faith in humanity.

Oh, and come up with a better name than "Ethical Touting", it's sh!te. "Ethiketing", perhaps.

Ha ha and what when it doesn't sell out?

Touts were not the real problem that people didn't get tickets with Garth Brooks, if they were there would be tons of tickets being touted and the market price would then naturally lower.

hardCopy

MadsL wrote: »

That.is.genius.

Or get 250,000 fans to spam the touts with fake meetups and prank phone calls

BillyMitchel

nm wrote: »

That's different, because not everyone has a fair and equal chance of getting tickets (if at all), as they don't go on general sale at all and people that have gone to games all year and would queue up for weeks don't even get the opportunity.

For Garth Brooks and the like there were 250,000 chances for everyone. The demand was greater than the supply. There is what, 20 tout ads or something?

248,950+ tickets went to fans in two hours in the fairest way TM could manage it. The system worked. If you didn't get one get over it already, most people did.

It's not really different now is it? Dub all Ireland tickets were going for over 1k.

Wasn't looking to go TBH, ill be washing my hair.

jimboblep

Why would they care they sell all their tickets at the price they set to make a profit
If anything touts help sell tickets quicker as people get desperate to get them from the company without having to pay over the odds to a tout

notnumber

Instead of releasing all the tickets on the same day and creating a frenzy they should release the tickets in batches.The tickets should be linked to ID or credit card/driving license produce able with the ticket on entry.There is so much they could do ..they cant be arsed they still sell their tickets anyway.

PizzamanIRL

There's this thing called desperation. When there is a limited supply of tickets and some poor sods don't get to purchase them, they are willing to pay much more than face value to get their hands on one. It will always be this way so there will always be people chancing their arm selling at huge prices.

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BillyMitchel wrote: »

It's not really different now is it? Dub all Ireland tickets were going for over 1k.

Well it is, because they were never offered to the general public at all.

Skylinehead

MadsL wrote: »

That is a fucking disgrace. I'll boycott any artist involved with that carry on.

What's wrong with that? It's basic supply and demand, the consumer will pay what they feel is good value. Sounds a lot like eBay for tickets tbh. Do you have a problem with eBay?

Of course, this depends on who gets the money, I don't know the details.

Butterface

I would imagine it's only a small percentage of the 250,000 tickets being touted online? But significant enough for those who didn't get their hands on tickets to bemoan it from now until July!

MonaPizza

MadsL wrote: »

In the current absence of a touting thread and as we have a big day for tickets, I even saw €850 being asked for two Garth Brookes tickets today, let's continue talking about touting.

Why don't the likes of ticketmaster stamp this out? Surely it would be easy to print the credit card holders name on the tickets or request the name at time of purchase?

Better yet, why don't we just tell touts NO, and refuse to pay more than face value?

Refusing to abide by the capitalistic laws of supply and demand, Madsl?

Tsk, tsk.

For Forks Sake

B_Rabbit wrote: »

Adverts gets far too much abuse. It's not that bad.

It's worse. It's an utter waste of time populated by imbeciles.


Swap 4 my ad?

nxbyveromdwjpg

This Garth Brooks sh*te is making the front page of the Irish Daily Mail tomorrow now apparently

MonaPizza

MadsL wrote: »

That.is.genius.

Tree-hugging pinkos. What next? You're going to recommend people march and occupy public places to draw a line under things like fair play? You should be on a no-fly list.

MadsL

MonaPizza wrote: »

Refusing to abide by the capitalistic laws of supply and demand, Madsl?

Tsk, tsk.

On the contrary, refusing to play by them means you hoist them by their own petard. Demand for overinflated tickets drops to zero, the laws of supply and demand mean there is no market.

Bounty Hunter Dan

I can foresee a lot of scamming gonna on around the time of these gigs with fake tickets knocking inevitably about.

They will easily be going for €300 a pair on the days of the concert and so it's worthwhile for forgeries to be made and so not for the life of me would I buy tickets from a source online that didn't at least have some good feedback.

Nor would I buy e-tickets as people can print thousands of copies of those if they wanted to but with demand this high, I can see people risking it.

Toutless will be like a killing field in the days leading up to it also and while you can't sell for over face value there (just like Adverts) you do get arguments with people posting 'ticket's wanted' posts but then someone will come on and just say 'first to PM' and thereby enable queue jumping. Etiquette really is that you should PM people you see on the threads looking for tickets first and I have always done that but the GB threads are gonna be huge come gig time and so it'll F5 central as people hope tickets get posted at face.

I won't be gonna myself though. When I heard I thought I would as assumed he would be playing a couple of nights at the O2 or something. Shocked that demand is this high that he could sell out Croke Park three nights in a row. Worse place for gigs in my opinion also. Never seen a gig there that sounded good. Guess most people are going for the experience more than anything though. Think I'll order a few thousand cowboy hats from china and sell them out of the boot outside. Pay for the holidays next year.

MadsL

Bounty Hunter Dan wrote: »

I can foresee a lot of scamming gonna on around the time of these gigs with fake tickets knocking inevitably about.

They will easily be going for €300 a pair on the days of the concert

With 250,000 tickets I bet they won't.

drunkmonkey

Loads going for face value on donedeal, I wouldn't worry there's loads of tickets, there's not 250,000 Line dancers in the country..