Why do ticket companies not fix the issue of touting?

Stavros Murphy · 31-01-2014 12:13AM

MadsL wrote: »

That.is.genius.

mmm. Put them up on Adverts. Suffer six weeks of offers to swap for a goldfish and five euro.. or "swap my ads.." which consist of two goldfish and twenty-three concert tickets..

B_Rabbit · 31-01-2014 12:15AM

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

mmm. Put them up on Adverts. Suffer six weeks of offers to swap for a goldfish and five euro.. or "swap my ads.." which consist of two goldfish and twenty-three concert tickets..

Adverts gets far too much abuse. It's not that bad.

Karl Stein · 31-01-2014 12:18AM

ectoraige wrote: »

Imagine if every fan today buying tickets for Garth Brooks bought the maximum six tickets, and then went on to sell the spares ones for face value.

How would you stop touts from buying these tickets?

nxbyveromdwjpg · 31-01-2014 12:19AM

ectoraige wrote: »

You know what? We can actually do something about it. Use crowdsourcing to deal with the problem, I'll call it "Ethical Touting".

Imagine if every fan today buying tickets for Garth Brooks bought the maximum six tickets, and then went on to sell the spares ones for face value. Somebody with more time and facebook friends then me should start a campaign encouraging everybody to buy up extra tickets for major events and resell them for face value. It won't stop all the touts, but it'll cut their margins, and it'll restore some faith in humanity.

Oh, and come up with a better name than "Ethical Touting", it's sh!te. "Ethiketing", perhaps.

Ha ha and what when it doesn't sell out?

Touts were not the real problem that people didn't get tickets with Garth Brooks, if they were there would be tons of tickets being touted and the market price would then naturally lower.

hardCopy · 31-01-2014 12:19AM

MadsL wrote: »

That.is.genius.

Or get 250,000 fans to spam the touts with fake meetups and prank phone calls

BillyMitchel · 31-01-2014 12:22AM

nm wrote: »

That's different, because not everyone has a fair and equal chance of getting tickets (if at all), as they don't go on general sale at all and people that have gone to games all year and would queue up for weeks don't even get the opportunity.

For Garth Brooks and the like there were 250,000 chances for everyone. The demand was greater than the supply. There is what, 20 tout ads or something?

248,950+ tickets went to fans in two hours in the fairest way TM could manage it. The system worked. If you didn't get one get over it already, most people did.

It's not really different now is it? Dub all Ireland tickets were going for over 1k.

Wasn't looking to go TBH, ill be washing my hair.

jimboblep · 31-01-2014 12:24AM

Why would they care they sell all their tickets at the price they set to make a profit
If anything touts help sell tickets quicker as people get desperate to get them from the company without having to pay over the odds to a tout

notnumber · 31-01-2014 12:24AM

Instead of releasing all the tickets on the same day and creating a frenzy they should release the tickets in batches.The tickets should be linked to ID or credit card/driving license produce able with the ticket on entry.There is so much they could do ..they cant be arsed they still sell their tickets anyway.

PizzamanIRL · 31-01-2014 12:27AM

There's this thing called desperation. When there is a limited supply of tickets and some poor sods don't get to purchase them, they are willing to pay much more than face value to get their hands on one. It will always be this way so there will always be people chancing their arm selling at huge prices.

nxbyveromdwjpg · 31-01-2014 12:30AM

BillyMitchel wrote: »

It's not really different now is it? Dub all Ireland tickets were going for over 1k.

Well it is, because they were never offered to the general public at all.

Skylinehead · 31-01-2014 12:30AM

MadsL wrote: »

That is a fucking disgrace. I'll boycott any artist involved with that carry on.

What's wrong with that? It's basic supply and demand, the consumer will pay what they feel is good value. Sounds a lot like eBay for tickets tbh. Do you have a problem with eBay?

Of course, this depends on who gets the money, I don't know the details.

Butterface · 31-01-2014 12:31AM

I would imagine it's only a small percentage of the 250,000 tickets being touted online? But significant enough for those who didn't get their hands on tickets to bemoan it from now until July!

MonaPizza · 31-01-2014 12:41AM

MadsL wrote: »

In the current absence of a touting thread and as we have a big day for tickets, I even saw €850 being asked for two Garth Brookes tickets today, let's continue talking about touting.

Why don't the likes of ticketmaster stamp this out? Surely it would be easy to print the credit card holders name on the tickets or request the name at time of purchase?

Better yet, why don't we just tell touts NO, and refuse to pay more than face value?

Refusing to abide by the capitalistic laws of supply and demand, Madsl?

Tsk, tsk.

For Forks Sake · 31-01-2014 12:48AM

B_Rabbit wrote: »

Adverts gets far too much abuse. It's not that bad.

It's worse. It's an utter waste of time populated by imbeciles.

Swap 4 my ad?

nxbyveromdwjpg · 31-01-2014 12:54AM

This Garth Brooks sh*te is making the front page of the Irish Daily Mail tomorrow now apparently

MonaPizza · 31-01-2014 12:55AM

MadsL wrote: »

That.is.genius.

Tree-hugging pinkos. What next? You're going to recommend people march and occupy public places to draw a line under things like fair play? You should be on a no-fly list.

MadsL · 31-01-2014 01:13AM

MonaPizza wrote: »

Refusing to abide by the capitalistic laws of supply and demand, Madsl?

Tsk, tsk.

On the contrary, refusing to play by them means you hoist them by their own petard. Demand for overinflated tickets drops to zero, the laws of supply and demand mean there is no market.

Bounty Hunter Dan · 31-01-2014 01:19AM

I can foresee a lot of scamming gonna on around the time of these gigs with fake tickets knocking inevitably about.

They will easily be going for €300 a pair on the days of the concert and so it's worthwhile for forgeries to be made and so not for the life of me would I buy tickets from a source online that didn't at least have some good feedback.

Nor would I buy e-tickets as people can print thousands of copies of those if they wanted to but with demand this high, I can see people risking it.

Toutless will be like a killing field in the days leading up to it also and while you can't sell for over face value there (just like Adverts) you do get arguments with people posting 'ticket's wanted' posts but then someone will come on and just say 'first to PM' and thereby enable queue jumping. Etiquette really is that you should PM people you see on the threads looking for tickets first and I have always done that but the GB threads are gonna be huge come gig time and so it'll F5 central as people hope tickets get posted at face.

I won't be gonna myself though. When I heard I thought I would as assumed he would be playing a couple of nights at the O2 or something. Shocked that demand is this high that he could sell out Croke Park three nights in a row. Worse place for gigs in my opinion also. Never seen a gig there that sounded good. Guess most people are going for the experience more than anything though. Think I'll order a few thousand cowboy hats from china and sell them out of the boot outside. Pay for the holidays next year.

MadsL · 31-01-2014 01:21AM

Bounty Hunter Dan wrote: »

I can foresee a lot of scamming gonna on around the time of these gigs with fake tickets knocking inevitably about.

They will easily be going for €300 a pair on the days of the concert

With 250,000 tickets I bet they won't.

drunkmonkey · 31-01-2014 01:23AM

Loads going for face value on donedeal, I wouldn't worry there's loads of tickets, there's not 250,000 Line dancers in the country..

MonaPizza · 31-01-2014 01:29AM

MadsL wrote: »

On the contrary, refusing to play by them means you hoist them by their own petard. Demand for overinflated tickets drops to zero, the laws of supply and demand mean there is no market.

Ah, the old "just say no" hypothesis that has defeated the entire drugs industry.

MadsL · 31-01-2014 01:32AM

MonaPizza wrote: »

Ah, the old "just say no" hypothesis that has defeated the entire drugs industry.

Ever wonder why there is a going rate that everyone sticks to in an illegal market? Same principle.

endacl · 31-01-2014 01:35AM

This 'Garth Brooks Concert' thing is a scam. He's not really coming. Its all part of a top secret rural depopulation plan, codenamed 'De-Bogger'.

The plan is to lock the gates to Croker once everybody files in on the first night, and play GB's greatest hits on a loop till they've all linedanced themselves to death.

The advertised second and third nights are a smokescreen.

Bounty Hunter Dan · 31-01-2014 01:38AM

MadsL wrote: »

With 250,000 tickets I bet they won't.

Well, don't bet too much, as you'd lose, spectacularly.

You might be able to get some crap Davin stand tickets at face value on the day, but I can assure you, premium seats (501-5, 532, 533, 534 etc etc) will be going for a small fortune come the days of the concerts.

MadsL · 31-01-2014 01:44AM

Bounty Hunter Dan wrote: »

Well, don't bet too much, as you'd lose, spectacularly.

You might be able to get some crap Davin stand tickets at face value on the day, but I can assure you, premium seats (501-5, 532, 533, 534 etc etc) will be going for a small fortune come the days of the concerts.

Like I said...some at face value on the day...premium seats will always change hands..

ectoraige · 31-01-2014 02:23AM

Charles Rocher wrote: »

How would you stop touts from buying these tickets?

Don't sell them to touts. I had the idea earlier, my wife spotted a friend on facebook who had failed to get tickets and decided to try it herself at around ten o'clock. She ended up getting through and purchased a pair of tickets. My wife would have zero interest in Garth Brooks, she just did it out of kindness. This afternoon she spoke with another friend who had also failed to get tickets and my wife regretted not buying more. I realised that if she'd bought six, we would have had no problem finding friends that would buy them. Of course, you can't guarantee that they won't sell them on, but at least it's an attempt to make the world a fairer place.

nm wrote:

Ha ha and what when it doesn't sell out?[/qoute]

You take that risk, but I'm really thinking about the events where it's well flagged that it'll sell out. If it doesn't sell out in the initial release, then perhaps have a website where people can register their surplus ticket, and make it part of the campaign to encourage people to consider purchasing those rather than going to ticketmaster.

nm wrote: »

Touts were not the real problem that people didn't get tickets with Garth Brooks, if they were there would be tons of tickets being touted and the market price would then naturally lower.

I'm not saying touts are the reason. However, touts are the reason that some people are driven out of the market for an event they hold dear to their hearts merely because they are not rich enough.

Bounty Hunter Dan wrote: »

I can foresee a lot of scamming gonna on around the time of these gigs with fake tickets knocking inevitably about.

They will easily be going for €300 a pair on the days of the concert and so it's worthwhile for forgeries to be made and so not for the life of me would I buy tickets from a source online that didn't at least have some good feedback.

Nor would I buy e-tickets as people can print thousands of copies of those if they wanted to but with demand this high, I can see people risking it.

Toutless will be like a killing field in the days leading up to it also and while you can't sell for over face value there (just like Adverts) you do get arguments with people posting 'ticket's wanted' posts but then someone will come on and just say 'first to PM' and thereby enable queue jumping. Etiquette really is that you should PM people you see on the threads looking for tickets first and I have always done that but the GB threads are gonna be huge come gig time and so it'll F5 central as people hope tickets get posted at face.

Ah, never heard of Toutless. If there was somewhere that seemed a bit more trustworthy than a phpBB it would help. It's frustrating there's no real safe way to verify tickets, it would be great if Ticketmaster could create a system to verify transfers. There's plenty of ways that they could introduce that would allow people to check if a ticket is genuine and if it has been resold before.

Stavros Murphy wrote: »

mmm. Put them up on Adverts. Suffer six weeks of offers to swap for a goldfish and five euro.. or "swap my ads.." which consist of two goldfish and twenty-three concert tickets..

I didn't say it would be easy. I did say doing it might restore faith in humanity.

thelad95 · 31-01-2014 02:46AM

gufc21 wrote: »

Not that I agree with touts but do u not pay more than face value with ticket master?

I think the way ticketmaster outlets print tickets means the definition of face value is debatable. For me if a ticket is €40 and theres a handlers charge or whatever of €3 then face value is still €40 yet the value printed on the ticket is €43. In this sense I think ticketmaster do charge over face value.

SNAKEDOC · 31-01-2014 02:49AM

Having a name printed on each ticket corrosponding to a drivers livence or garda id or passport is very simple. Ticket master could do this no problem. And for those who say not everyone has id thats odd cus if your over 18 surely you have a lerners permit at least or a passport or even a bank card. Proof of name and have that with you at the event at the ticket styles. When selling batches of tickets its probably for parents or a group of friends so just have them go in to the event as a group. Touting is a horrible thing but the authorities just dont give a damn.

oppenheimer1 · 31-01-2014 03:09AM

B_Rabbit wrote: »

Adverts gets far too much abuse. It's not that bad.

Its not that bad? Its worse than bad, its terrible. People constantly low balling and offering stupid swaps.

Bounty Hunter Dan · 31-01-2014 03:11AM

MadsL wrote: »

Like I said...some at face value on the day...premium seats will always change hands..

Are you half asleep? You said nothing of the sort.

I said that tickets will be going for €300 a pair on the day you said:

MadsL wrote: »

With 250,000 tickets I bet they won't.

Davin stand are muck and decent tickets will for sure fetch €300.

Why do ticket companies not fix the issue of touting?

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