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Giving some of N.I. back to the Republic
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The greener the image is the more dominant Catholics are in the area.
First off I know nobody is going to want a major change for at least another 20 years when hopefully the ROI economy will be fairly sound again.
When it does however sort itself out the Catholic majorities in certain areas will have increased even more so why not allow certain areas to join the ROI.
Would the unionist extremists to the East really care if Fermanagh, Tyrone, half of Armagh, half of Down, most of Derry and possibly the north of Antrim leave the UK and join the Republic. That way the majority of people in the north can be relatively happy and hopefully we can move on.
Would the north be viable as a country if all those areas joined the republic? I'd imagine that's the reason the Unionists wouldn't want them going but at the same time the big money received from the UK would be used for an even smaller area possibly making up for the loss.
Thoughts?
Yes I go think that NI should be partitioned with the Catholic areas given to the Republic. It makes a lot more sense and would ensure continued peace on this island. Incorporating solidly loyalist areas into the Republic would be a disaster and see Irish towns and cities bombed by loyalists. No thanks.
BTW I'm glad to see my picture being more widely used. The above is a modified version of an image I threw together in PhotoShop before uploading to Wikipedia. You're welcome.
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Yes I go think that NI should be partitioned with the Catholic areas given to the Republic. It makes a lot more sense and would ensure continued peace on this island. Incorporating solidly loyalist areas into the Republic would be a disaster and see Irish towns and cities bombed by loyalists. No thanks.
BTW I'm glad to see my picture being more widely used. The above is a modified version of an image I threw together in PhotoShop before uploading to Wikipedia. You're welcome.
And I'm sure the Catholics left that have now become the permanent minority would thank you, not to mention the other Catholics who have just discovered that huge sections of their lives are going to change (well actually that would be for the rest of the republic as well as we go bank into bailout territory dealing with the economic burden of even part of NI)0 -
Yes I go think that NI should be partitioned with the Catholic areas given to the Republic. It makes a lot more sense and would ensure continued peace on this island. Incorporating solidly loyalist areas into the Republic would be a disaster and see Irish towns and cities bombed by loyalists. No thanks.
BTW I'm glad to see my picture being more widely used. The above is a modified version of an image I threw together in PhotoShop before uploading to Wikipedia. You're welcome.
haha fair play to you lad it's very well done. I hinestly think they won't give some areas back because the north's economy would be in big trouble if it shrinked even further.0 -
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Equal service provision is not the same as equal cost for service provision. They can't cut the service provision - all they can do is attempt to provide the same service provision for less money. If they can't then it'll remain more expensive, if they can, then it's no concern to to people in NI.
As long as it retains British level public service provisions, sure.
Nope - because they can't cut services any more than the rest of the UK.
Nothing inevitable about the future of NI.
The cost of NI isn't exactly news to the UK. And in the highly unlikely event of Scotland exiting the UK, the status of NI would be unaffected.
The NI deficit is entirely sustainable for the UK, particularly in a context where they have a much greater deficit nationally, and will obviously introducing national measures to reduce that deficit across the board.
People would vote to double our deficit? Double the taxation increases and service cutbacks? Dream on - they certainly would not.
A major backlash from more than loyalists - there's no appetite for unification in NI - and that's on the basis of a non-coerced unification.
That wouldn't be constitutional.
I would not be so quick to dismiss the Scottish indpendance vote as being unlikely. The latest polling is showing the gap is closing and is actually very close at the moment. I think if Scotland does vote yes I think that will have a knock on effect in London where they will be a lot more careful about their money.
Scottish independence campaign is gaining ground, polls show
Gap between yes and no camps has narrowed with five months to go until referendum- Press Association
- theguardian.com, Sunday 20 April 2014 10.46 EDT
The Yes Scotland campaign for independence says it is confident of getting the two-point swing polls suggest it needs. Photograph: AFP/Getty Images
The campaign for Scottish independence appears to be gaining ground, according to new polls.
With five months to go before the referendum that could lead to Scotland leaving the UK, the gap between the yes and no camps has narrowed, suggesting a two-point swing could be enough to secure independence on 18 September.
An ICM poll for the Scotland on Sunday newspaper shows support for independence is at 39%, while opposition has fallen four points to 42%.
Excluding people who have not yet made up their minds, the results put yes on 48% and no on 52%.
It is the highest level of support for independence since last August, leading the Yes Scotland campaign group to claim it is confident of securing the necessary two-point swing.
A second poll by Survation for the Sunday Post puts a yes vote up one point to 38% and a no vote down one point to 46%.
When the "don't knows" are stripped out, the results are 55-45 in favour of keeping Scotland in the UK.
Scottish first minister Alex Salmond said: "These are very encouraging polls and show the yes campaign has the momentum because it is more positive and more trusted than the no campaign.
"In contrast the no campaign is in a panic because they are seen as negative and unbelievable.
"It is also very encouraging that women and Labour supporters are moving to yes and with a third of English-born people already voting yes, we are confident that more will follow as momentum continues."
He said the problem for the no campaign was that it was stuck in a "rut of negativity".
"Even today we see yet more evidence that they can't help themselves and just blunder on with the same old failing message. Sending out figures from the political past or dispatching Tory ministers on day trips from Westminster is not cutting any ice."
The polls were published as it emerged Labour is planning to step up campaigning in Scotland.
Ed Miliband's shadow cabinet will hold a meeting in Glasgow on Friday, while MPs will campaign across the country over the week.
Meanwhile, the former prime minister Gordon Brown will focus on the security of pensions as he makes the case for the union during a speech for Better Together in Glasgow.
Yes Scotland is stepping up activity with the launch of a new billboard poster campaign explaining why the country "must" be independent.
Blair McDougall, director of Better Together, said his group would also launch an advertising campaign this week.
"Whilst it is welcome that there is a majority in favour of keeping the UK together, these polls are a reminder that there can be no complacency from those who believe that the brightest future for Scotland is to remain in the UK," he said.
"With the launch of our advertising campaign tomorrow and a big grassroots campaign push we will be fighting hard for every single vote between now and polling day. Everybody who wants to keep Scotland in the UK needs to play their part."
The Scottish Green party co-leader Patrick Harvie, who supports independence, said there was still work to do.
"As we get closer to the vote, more people are seeing the exciting possibilities that a yes vote opens up," he said.
"This poll reflects the mounting energy and strength of the grassroots campaign, but we will only succeed if we continue to reach out beyond traditional supporters."
Meanwhile, Scottish government agencies in charge of creating jobs and attracting tourists have become the latest to quit the business lobbying organisation the CBI after it formally backed a no vote in the referendum.
The government in Edinburgh said it would be "clearly inappropriate" for Scottish Enterprise and VisitScotland to carry on their membership after the body registered with the Electoral Commission to campaign against independence.
The two agencies follow the broadcaster STV, the Balhousie Care Group and the energy company Aquamarine Power in resigning from the CBI.
A Scottish government spokesman said: "The CBI has registered as a campaign organisation for a no vote in the referendum. In these circumstances, it is clearly inappropriate for government agencies to remain in membership of CBI. We would expect any other member to follow Scottish Enterprise and resign with immediate effect."
The confederation has faced criticism that its position does not accurately reflect its members' views, and it failed to consult them before formally registering to campaign for the union.
Tony Banks, chairman of the Balhousie Care Group, said his business would now leave the confederation.
Banks, who is also chairman of the pro-independence group Business for Scotland, said: "It is abundantly clear that the CBI is not representing its members' views honestly. I am therefore writing to the director general, John Cridland, today, withdrawing my company membership0
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