increase in murders...

Piriz

I watch the news daily if I can and i'm writing to highlight what seems to be an increase in murders in Ireland since Christmas day..

I don't have figures but it is about 10 or more I think since then..

Feuds, stabbings at house parties, the death of the young guy in Tallaght, murder in Irishtown, Finglas,

It's a disgrace!

any thoughts?

baldbear

That's life. Murders always happen. And since Christmas the murder rate can only increase not decrease. Booze and parties seemed to be linked to alot of them.

wazky

I blame the Dole, the Government, Gerry Adams and Murphy and Gunn.

bumper234

Piriz wrote: »

I watch the news daily if I can and i'm writing to highlight what seems to be an increase in murders in Ireland since Christmas day..

I don't have figures but it is about 10 or more I think since then..

Feuds, stabbings at house parties, the death of the young guy in Tallaght, murder in Irishtown, Finglas,

It's a disgrace!

any thoughts?

Was only thinking the same myself.

uch

I'd Murder a Cold Beer!

My name is URL

Murder rates are actually on a downward trend since around 2005, bit of a spike in 2012 but other than that it's down by about 40% compared to 2005, 2006 and 2007.

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c1.asp&TableName=Homicide+Offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

Obviously that may not really be completely accurate since it relies on crime detection and prosecution, which may also be going down.

holystungun9

baldbear wrote: »

That's life. Murders always happen. And since Christmas the murder rate can only increase not decrease. Booze and parties seemed to be linked to alot of them.

Ironic that life is probably the last thing the murderers will get.

biko

Piriz wrote: »

any thoughts?

Yeah, that without proper stats you're only guessing.
Don't blow a valve over a guess.

dxhound2005

Here are the figures for the years 2004 to 2012, murder averages about one a week every year. The fact that there are about one million more people living here now than 20 years ago has to be taken into account.

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c1.asp&TableName=Homicide+Offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

Piriz

biko wrote: »

Yeah, that without proper stats you're only guessing.
Don't blow a valve over a guess.

I've listed a number of incidents where murder has occurred..whether I have the exact sum or not makes no f*ckin difference..

jesus do you like your information served to you in a pie chart?

wazky

Piriz wrote: »

I've listed a number of incidents where murder has occurred..whether I have the exact sum or not makes no f*ckin difference..

jesus do you like your information served to you in a pie chart?

Mmmm pie...

Femme_Fatale

It's not an increase in murders, it's a group of them occurring at the same time. For it to be an overall increase in murders, this pattern would have to continue over a prolonged period.

It's obviously dreadful but there will always be lowlives.

TheMilkyPirate

Piriz wrote: »

I've listed a number of incidents where murder has occurred..whether I have the exact sum or not makes no f*ckin difference..

jesus do you like your information served to you in a pie chart?

Whoa.. Chill man. And having the proper numbers does actually make quite a bit of difference.

tritium

Piriz wrote: »

I've listed a number of incidents where murder has occurred..whether I have the exact sum or not makes no f*ckin difference..

jesus do you like your information served to you in a pie chart?

I think the point is you're basing your opinion on a snapshot you've seen rather than hard facts. As others have noted your opinion in this case appears to be incorrect.

downonthefarm

Its terrible Joe drinking that super strength skunk going on the rampage

anncoates

Piriz wrote: »

Ijesus do you like your information served to you in a pie chart?

Venn did anybody mention pie charts?

Mr McBoatface

Doubt any of the recent cases will be deemed to be murder in a court of law. Manslaughter will be the cop-out most will be found guilty of.

"Sorry your honor I got pissed/stoned, I started a fight, I stabbed that other person but it wasn't my fault as I was pissed/stoned, please don't hold me accountable for my actions.......it was the drink/drug I took"

dxhound2005

jobyrne30 wrote: »

Doubt any of the recent cases will be deemed to be murder in a court of law. Manslaughter will be the cop-out most will be found guilty of.

"Sorry your honor I got pissed/stoned, I started a fight, I stabbed that other person but it wasn't my fault as I was pissed/stoned, please don't hold me accountable for my actions.......it was the drink/drug I took"

You must be basing that on your perception of what has happened in the past? But the statistics for murder and manslaughter convictions do not bear out your assertion.

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c1.asp&TableName=Homicide+Offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

Mr McBoatface

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You must be basing that on your perception of what has happened in the past? But the statistics for murder and manslaughter convictions do not bear out your assertion.

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c1.asp&TableName=Homicide+Offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

Ah c'mon will yeah! - don't go destroying my rant with backed up logical counter- arguments

Piriz

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0111/497202-finglas-body/

http://crime.ie/20140108/body-found-ringsend/

http://crime.ie/20131216/man-22-charged-murder-sarah-staunton/

http://crime.ie/20131216/third-suspect-arrested-fatal-shooting-finglas/

http://crime.ie/20131206/body-missing-limerick-man-kevin-rice-found/

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-charged-over-fatal-stabbing-in-shankill-1.1639745

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/two-further-arrests-over-fatal-tallaght-attack-1.1644710

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/woman-charged-with-murder-after-drogheda-stabbing-1.1642165
these are the ones I can recall...

not going as far back to the murder of the man in the Phoenix Park,

this seems like a lot in a short period of time...

maybe there is some incidences I have not included in the links..

here is another: Tramore murder http://www.tv3.ie/news_sub_page.php?video_id=74506&locID=1.2.883

what looks to be another in Castleknock http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/one-arrest-after-man-s-body-found-in-dublin-house-1.1652635

WoollyRedHat

BEen a spate of killings at aftergaffs.

Sulla Felix

My name is URL wrote: »

Murder rates are actually on a downward trend since around 2005, bit of a spike in 2012 but other than that it's down by about 40% compared to 2005, 2006 and 2007.

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c1.asp&TableName=Homicide+Offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

Obviously that may not really be completely accurate since it relies on crime detection and prosecution, which may also be going down.

Yeah, but the perception that they're increasing is on the rise!!!!

fryup

people can't afford to go out anymore, so they drink at home...and sometimes when too much drink is taken things get messy & rowdy ...and being in a home environment knifes are easy to get hold of ..hence so many stabbings/murders

Sir Humphrey Appleby

Piriz wrote: »

I've listed a number of incidents where murder has occurred..whether I have the exact sum or not makes no f*ckin difference..

jesus do you like your information served to you in a pie chart?

Nah, just something better than a wild guess would be nice.

Sir Humphrey Appleby

jobyrne30 wrote: »

Doubt any of the recent cases will be deemed to be murder in a court of law. Manslaughter will be the cop-out most will be found guilty of.

"Sorry your honor I got pissed/stoned, I started a fight, I stabbed that other person but it wasn't my fault as I was pissed/stoned, please don't hold me accountable for my actions.......it was the drink/drug I took"

Drunk or on drugs does not lead to mitigation, it is not a defence in law.

woodoo

Piriz wrote: »

I watch the news daily if I can and i'm writing to highlight what seems to be an increase in murders in Ireland since Christmas day..

I don't have figures but it is about 10 or more I think since then..

Feuds, stabbings at house parties, the death of the young guy in Tallaght, murder in Irishtown, Finglas,

It's a disgrace!

any thoughts?

There wasn't as many stabbings at house parties a decade ago.. what has changed? What are they taking now. Maybe a decade ago people were mainly taking E's.

juice1304

Terrible Joe it's just terrible, I'm afraid to leave the house.

Piriz

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Nah, just something better than a wild guess would be nice.

what do you assume im wild guessing about?

in my first post I comment that there has been about 10 murders since Christmas Day... these have been reported in the news..

now its fair to state that due to the incidence of about 9 or 10 murders since Christmas Day that this is higher than normal thus an increase..

Frank Black

Piriz wrote: »

I don't have figures

Maybe you should try to get some.

Murder rate has been dropping for decades.

masti123

Statisics don't mean anything, alot of shootings happen without it being reported to the Gardai

Karl Stein

I don't think Ireland has ever been safer in the thousands of years people have lived here.

Piriz

Frank Black: Maybe you should try to get some.

Murder rate has been dropping for decades.

there are no figures published...

I was just referring to an increase in murders recently [Christmas Day to present].. I thought this was explicit in my first post..

I have linked to the incidents in the news... you can count them!

mickydoomsux

Frank Black wrote: »

Maybe you should try to get some.

Murder rate has been dropping for decades.

Maybe because most end up being classed as manslaughter once the social workers get involved?

Anyway: scobes+drink/drugs=violence.

The fact that our society allows them to live/kill each other like this is the problem.

dxhound2005

masti123 wrote: »

Statisics don't mean anything, alot of shootings happen without it being reported to the Gardai

This thread is about murders. If someone is shot dead I think the Gardai might find out.

masti123

dxhound2005 wrote: »

This thread is about murders. If someone is shot dead I think the Gardai might find out.

Well a lot of people go 'missing'

donegal__road

it is beginning to remind me of the Ulster news headlines from 25 years ago, every day the news-round starting off with 'a man has been shot dead..'

You become desensitized after a while.

Happyman42

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

but there will always be lowlives.

...and short ones.

rwg

does Joe have a new show?

Piriz

rwg wrote: »

does Joe have a new show?

another Joe Duffy joke...they never get old... have a thanks then go into the other room and tell your ma you got thanked coz your a great laugh..

rwg

Piriz wrote: »

another Joe Duffy joke...they never get old... have a thanks then go into the other room and tell your ma you got thanked coz your a great laugh..

is that you Joe?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

There does seem to be a definitive rise in the murder rate over the past 25 years disproportionate to the corresponding rise in population.

I'd also suggest the murder rate is heavily weighted towards Dublin and (more so previously) Limerick, I'm gonna just guess, I'm tired, adds up roughly as a third of Ireland's population but makes up a higher percentage of the overall murder rate.

biko

Piriz wrote: »

I've listed a number of incidents where murder has occurred..whether I have the exact sum or not makes no f*ckin difference..

jesus do you like your information served to you in a pie chart?

I do yeah. Just about any secondary info will do.
The links you provided is a good start.

But as "My name is URL" pointed out, murders are actually decreasing over time.
Also the links you provided aren't all murders. For instance Limerick man Kevin Rice is just classed as missing/dead but not murdered afaik.
Most of the incidents you refer to happened in the pale. Perhaps there is some local increase, gang war?

artanevilla

I was wondering to myself recently, without seeing any statistics, that it must be a record number of murders this January. Seems like every day there's someone killed.

hfallada

Very rarely do innocent people get murdered in Ireland. Most murders are gang related and but the odd time the wrong person gets targeted like Shane Gahan in Limerick.

rwg

"According to scholar Pieter Spierenburg homicide rates per 100,000 in Europe have fallen over the centuries, from 35 per 100,000 in medieval times, to 20 in 1500 AD, 5 in 1700, to below two per 100,000 in 1900."

Proof of falling rates...

Brussels Sprout

Seems to be a lot of murders after all night drinking sessions. At the risk of sounding like the VFI-has the low cost of alcohol in supermarkets led to people getting wasted outside of areas where they might previously have been watched over by bouncers and the likes?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Seems to be a lot of murders after all night drinking sessions. At the risk of sounding like the VFI-has the low cost of alcohol in supermarkets led to people getting wasted outside of areas where they might previously have been watched over by bouncers and the likes?

If you could get pissed on a night out without dropping a fortune things would be different. If I'm going clubbing I am going to pre drink, I can't afford/won't spend 8 euro on vodkas and over 5 euro on pints to get drunk, tenner to get in as well, jesus like. It'd be cheaper to have a coke habit!

Captain Chaos

Why go out with the intention of getting pissed instead of just mellow with a bit of a buzz. Not everyone goes out to get rat arsed and if you do you need to take a look at yourself.

Jonkenji

I blame the Polish and their swan-eating ways.

AtomicHorror

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

There does seem to be a definitive rise in the murder rate over the past 25 years disproportionate to the corresponding rise in population.

Source on that??

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Why go out with the intention of getting pissed instead of just mellow with a bit of a buzz. Not everyone goes out to get rat arsed and if you do you need to take a look at yourself.

You're no captain of chaos!

If I want to go out say the Friday and Saturday night of the weekend (once a month) the amount I save by buying some cans or vodka and playing FIFA for a few hours almost pays for the second night.

The choice is...
Entry 10
Pints x 6 36
Vodkas x 2 16
=62

Or

Pre drink 10
Entry 10
Pints x 2 12
= 32

Does that make sense or does that make me just sound like a raging alco?