increase in murders...

Piriz · 12-01-2014 12:38AM

Frank Black: Maybe you should try to get some.

Murder rate has been dropping for decades.

there are no figures published...

I was just referring to an increase in murders recently [Christmas Day to present].. I thought this was explicit in my first post..

I have linked to the incidents in the news... you can count them!

mickydoomsux · 12-01-2014 12:40AM

Frank Black wrote: »

Maybe you should try to get some.

Murder rate has been dropping for decades.

Maybe because most end up being classed as manslaughter once the social workers get involved?

Anyway: scobes+drink/drugs=violence.

The fact that our society allows them to live/kill each other like this is the problem.

dxhound2005 · 12-01-2014 12:46AM

masti123 wrote: »

Statisics don't mean anything, alot of shootings happen without it being reported to the Gardai

This thread is about murders. If someone is shot dead I think the Gardai might find out.

masti123 · 12-01-2014 12:48AM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

This thread is about murders. If someone is shot dead I think the Gardai might find out.

Well a lot of people go 'missing'

donegal__road · 12-01-2014 12:51AM

it is beginning to remind me of the Ulster news headlines from 25 years ago, every day the news-round starting off with 'a man has been shot dead..'

You become desensitized after a while.

Happyman42 · 12-01-2014 12:53AM

Femme_Fatale wrote: »

but there will always be lowlives.

...and short ones.

rwg · 12-01-2014 12:56AM

does Joe have a new show?

Piriz · 12-01-2014 12:58AM

rwg wrote: »

does Joe have a new show?

another Joe Duffy joke...they never get old... have a thanks then go into the other room and tell your ma you got thanked coz your a great laugh..

rwg · 12-01-2014 01:04AM

Piriz wrote: »

another Joe Duffy joke...they never get old... have a thanks then go into the other room and tell your ma you got thanked coz your a great laugh..

is that you Joe?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 12-01-2014 01:05AM

There does seem to be a definitive rise in the murder rate over the past 25 years disproportionate to the corresponding rise in population.

I'd also suggest the murder rate is heavily weighted towards Dublin and (more so previously) Limerick, I'm gonna just guess, I'm tired, adds up roughly as a third of Ireland's population but makes up a higher percentage of the overall murder rate.

biko · 12-01-2014 01:09AM

Piriz wrote: »

I've listed a number of incidents where murder has occurred..whether I have the exact sum or not makes no f*ckin difference..

jesus do you like your information served to you in a pie chart?

I do yeah. Just about any secondary info will do.
The links you provided is a good start.

But as "My name is URL" pointed out, murders are actually decreasing over time.
Also the links you provided aren't all murders. For instance Limerick man Kevin Rice is just classed as missing/dead but not murdered afaik.
Most of the incidents you refer to happened in the pale. Perhaps there is some local increase, gang war?

artanevilla · 12-01-2014 01:12AM

I was wondering to myself recently, without seeing any statistics, that it must be a record number of murders this January. Seems like every day there's someone killed.

hfallada · 12-01-2014 01:13AM

Very rarely do innocent people get murdered in Ireland. Most murders are gang related and but the odd time the wrong person gets targeted like Shane Gahan in Limerick.

rwg · 12-01-2014 01:17AM

"According to scholar Pieter Spierenburg homicide rates per 100,000 in Europe have fallen over the centuries, from 35 per 100,000 in medieval times, to 20 in 1500 AD, 5 in 1700, to below two per 100,000 in 1900."

Proof of falling rates...

Brussels Sprout · 12-01-2014 01:17AM

Seems to be a lot of murders after all night drinking sessions. At the risk of sounding like the VFI-has the low cost of alcohol in supermarkets led to people getting wasted outside of areas where they might previously have been watched over by bouncers and the likes?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 12-01-2014 01:28AM

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

Seems to be a lot of murders after all night drinking sessions. At the risk of sounding like the VFI-has the low cost of alcohol in supermarkets led to people getting wasted outside of areas where they might previously have been watched over by bouncers and the likes?

If you could get pissed on a night out without dropping a fortune things would be different. If I'm going clubbing I am going to pre drink, I can't afford/won't spend 8 euro on vodkas and over 5 euro on pints to get drunk, tenner to get in as well, jesus like. It'd be cheaper to have a coke habit!

Captain Chaos · 12-01-2014 01:31AM

Why go out with the intention of getting pissed instead of just mellow with a bit of a buzz. Not everyone goes out to get rat arsed and if you do you need to take a look at yourself.

Jonkenji · 12-01-2014 01:33AM

I blame the Polish and their swan-eating ways.

AtomicHorror · 12-01-2014 01:34AM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

There does seem to be a definitive rise in the murder rate over the past 25 years disproportionate to the corresponding rise in population.

Source on that??

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 12-01-2014 02:10AM

Captain Chaos wrote: »

Why go out with the intention of getting pissed instead of just mellow with a bit of a buzz. Not everyone goes out to get rat arsed and if you do you need to take a look at yourself.

You're no captain of chaos!

If I want to go out say the Friday and Saturday night of the weekend (once a month) the amount I save by buying some cans or vodka and playing FIFA for a few hours almost pays for the second night.

The choice is...
Entry 10
Pints x 6 36
Vodkas x 2 16
=62

Or

Pre drink 10
Entry 10
Pints x 2 12
= 32

Does that make sense or does that make me just sound like a raging alco?

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo · 12-01-2014 02:15AM

AtomicHorror wrote: »

Source on that??

No, can't link on my phone.

Just look at the muder/manslaughter rate from the foundation of the state up to today. There is a clear up trend from the 1980's up to today.

I know the population is rising as a total number but from memory there isn't a single year with more murders pre 1980's than post. Adjusting for percentage population rise doesn't negate the trend sufficiently by my understanding. Very open to correction though.

suicide_circus · 12-01-2014 12:18PM

Man found dead in a house on castleknock this morning. One man in custody.

fryup · 12-01-2014 12:26PM

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

here we go again

Pro Hoc Vice · 12-01-2014 12:29PM

jobyrne30 wrote: »

Doubt any of the recent cases will be deemed to be murder in a court of law. Manslaughter will be the cop-out most will be found guilty of.

"Sorry your honor I got pissed/stoned, I started a fight, I stabbed that other person but it wasn't my fault as I was pissed/stoned, please don't hold me accountable for my actions.......it was the drink/drug I took"

It is up to a jury to make the distinction between murder and manslaughter or indeed the DPP not the judge.

rwg · 12-01-2014 12:33PM

infosys wrote: »

It is up to a jury to make the distinction between murder and manslaughter or indeed the DPP not the judge.

from my knowledgable tv experience - i believe the judge directs the jury in some cases

Pro Hoc Vice · 12-01-2014 12:40PM

Tangatagamadda Chaddabinga Bonga Bungo wrote: »

No, can't link on my phone.

Just look at the muder/manslaughter rate from the foundation of the state up to today. There is a clear up trend from the 1980's up to today.

I know the population is rising as a total number but from memory there isn't a single year with more murders pre 1980's than post. Adjusting for percentage population rise doesn't negate the trend sufficiently by my understanding. Very open to correction though.

You are correct 1950 there was 6 murders, also population was at its lowest then.

But all figures here http://www.crimecouncil.gov.ie/downloads/CrimeReport.pdf

And population facts here http://www.cso.ie/en/media/csoie/releasespublications/documents/otherreleases/thatwasthenthisisnow.pdf

There is a theory in relation to low figures in the 30's to end of 60's, a lot of our young population emigrated, by and large these crimes committed by people 20-40. Less young people in the society less crime.

Pro Hoc Vice · 12-01-2014 12:42PM

rwg wrote: »

from my knowledgable tv experience - i believe the judge directs the jury in some cases

Only when there is not sufficient evidence to bring in a guilty verdict. It's very rare. But my response was to a specific claim that a person pleads with the judge that he was drunk.

hedgehog2 · 12-01-2014 12:51PM

Well the overwhelming signs point to Alcohol in these house party murders.
Late at night,people are rat arsed drunk and a stupid argument turns into chaotic scenes with someone grabbing a knife.
I have never seen anyone thrown out of a house party as any I had or went to only had close friends back who would not behave like this to eachother.
Sure people fell down,slept on couches or threw up those were the worst case situations.
I feel sorry for the families its an awful thing to wake up to.

Lapin · 12-01-2014 02:06PM

Over a fucking game of chess.

Stabbed to death over a chess move.

What the hell is going on with people.

wretcheddomain · 12-01-2014 02:10PM

Lapin wrote: »

Over a fucking game of chess.

Stabbed to death over a chess move.

What the hell is going on with people.

The bishop will be in an awkward position with this one.

increase in murders...

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