increase in murders...

Piriz · 11-01-2014 10:58PM #1

I watch the news daily if I can and i'm writing to highlight what seems to be an increase in murders in Ireland since Christmas day..

I don't have figures but it is about 10 or more I think since then..

Feuds, stabbings at house parties, the death of the young guy in Tallaght, murder in Irishtown, Finglas,

It's a disgrace!

any thoughts?

baldbear · 11-01-2014 11:01PM

That's life. Murders always happen. And since Christmas the murder rate can only increase not decrease. Booze and parties seemed to be linked to alot of them.

wazky · 11-01-2014 11:02PM

I blame the Dole, the Government, Gerry Adams and Murphy and Gunn.

bumper234 · 11-01-2014 11:02PM

Piriz wrote: »

I watch the news daily if I can and i'm writing to highlight what seems to be an increase in murders in Ireland since Christmas day..

I don't have figures but it is about 10 or more I think since then..

Feuds, stabbings at house parties, the death of the young guy in Tallaght, murder in Irishtown, Finglas,

It's a disgrace!

any thoughts?

Was only thinking the same myself.

uch · 11-01-2014 11:04PM

I'd Murder a Cold Beer!

My name is URL · 11-01-2014 11:07PM

Murder rates are actually on a downward trend since around 2005, bit of a spike in 2012 but other than that it's down by about 40% compared to 2005, 2006 and 2007.

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c1.asp&TableName=Homicide+Offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

Obviously that may not really be completely accurate since it relies on crime detection and prosecution, which may also be going down.

holystungun9 · 11-01-2014 11:08PM

baldbear wrote: »

That's life. Murders always happen. And since Christmas the murder rate can only increase not decrease. Booze and parties seemed to be linked to alot of them.

Ironic that life is probably the last thing the murderers will get.

biko · 11-01-2014 11:08PM

Piriz wrote: »

any thoughts?

Yeah, that without proper stats you're only guessing.
Don't blow a valve over a guess.

dxhound2005 · 11-01-2014 11:09PM

Here are the figures for the years 2004 to 2012, murder averages about one a week every year. The fact that there are about one million more people living here now than 20 years ago has to be taken into account.

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c1.asp&TableName=Homicide+Offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

Piriz · 11-01-2014 11:12PM

biko wrote: »

Yeah, that without proper stats you're only guessing.
Don't blow a valve over a guess.

I've listed a number of incidents where murder has occurred..whether I have the exact sum or not makes no f*ckin difference..

jesus do you like your information served to you in a pie chart?

wazky · 11-01-2014 11:13PM

Piriz wrote: »

I've listed a number of incidents where murder has occurred..whether I have the exact sum or not makes no f*ckin difference..

jesus do you like your information served to you in a pie chart?

Mmmm pie...

Femme_Fatale · 11-01-2014 11:13PM

It's not an increase in murders, it's a group of them occurring at the same time. For it to be an overall increase in murders, this pattern would have to continue over a prolonged period.

It's obviously dreadful but there will always be lowlives.

TheMilkyPirate · 11-01-2014 11:15PM

Piriz wrote: »

I've listed a number of incidents where murder has occurred..whether I have the exact sum or not makes no f*ckin difference..

jesus do you like your information served to you in a pie chart?

Whoa.. Chill man. And having the proper numbers does actually make quite a bit of difference.

tritium · 11-01-2014 11:18PM

Piriz wrote: »

I've listed a number of incidents where murder has occurred..whether I have the exact sum or not makes no f*ckin difference..

jesus do you like your information served to you in a pie chart?

I think the point is you're basing your opinion on a snapshot you've seen rather than hard facts. As others have noted your opinion in this case appears to be incorrect.

downonthefarm · 11-01-2014 11:20PM

Its terrible Joe drinking that super strength skunk going on the rampage

anncoates · 11-01-2014 11:21PM

Piriz wrote: »

Ijesus do you like your information served to you in a pie chart?

Venn did anybody mention pie charts?

Mr McBoatface · 11-01-2014 11:22PM

Doubt any of the recent cases will be deemed to be murder in a court of law. Manslaughter will be the cop-out most will be found guilty of.

"Sorry your honor I got pissed/stoned, I started a fight, I stabbed that other person but it wasn't my fault as I was pissed/stoned, please don't hold me accountable for my actions.......it was the drink/drug I took"

dxhound2005 · 11-01-2014 11:26PM

jobyrne30 wrote: »

Doubt any of the recent cases will be deemed to be murder in a court of law. Manslaughter will be the cop-out most will be found guilty of.

"Sorry your honor I got pissed/stoned, I started a fight, I stabbed that other person but it wasn't my fault as I was pissed/stoned, please don't hold me accountable for my actions.......it was the drink/drug I took"

You must be basing that on your perception of what has happened in the past? But the statistics for murder and manslaughter convictions do not bear out your assertion.

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c1.asp&TableName=Homicide+Offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

Mr McBoatface · 11-01-2014 11:34PM

dxhound2005 wrote: »

You must be basing that on your perception of what has happened in the past? But the statistics for murder and manslaughter convictions do not bear out your assertion.

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c1.asp&TableName=Homicide+Offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

Ah c'mon will yeah! - don't go destroying my rant with backed up logical counter- arguments

Piriz · 11-01-2014 11:36PM

http://www.rte.ie/news/2014/0111/497202-finglas-body/

http://crime.ie/20140108/body-found-ringsend/

http://crime.ie/20131216/man-22-charged-murder-sarah-staunton/

http://crime.ie/20131216/third-suspect-arrested-fatal-shooting-finglas/

http://crime.ie/20131206/body-missing-limerick-man-kevin-rice-found/

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/man-charged-over-fatal-stabbing-in-shankill-1.1639745

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/two-further-arrests-over-fatal-tallaght-attack-1.1644710

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/woman-charged-with-murder-after-drogheda-stabbing-1.1642165
these are the ones I can recall...

not going as far back to the murder of the man in the Phoenix Park,

this seems like a lot in a short period of time...

maybe there is some incidences I have not included in the links..

here is another: Tramore murder http://www.tv3.ie/news_sub_page.php?video_id=74506&locID=1.2.883

what looks to be another in Castleknock http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/one-arrest-after-man-s-body-found-in-dublin-house-1.1652635

WoollyRedHat · 11-01-2014 11:39PM

BEen a spate of killings at aftergaffs.

Sulla Felix · 11-01-2014 11:49PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Murder rates are actually on a downward trend since around 2005, bit of a spike in 2012 but other than that it's down by about 40% compared to 2005, 2006 and 2007.

http://www.cso.ie/Quicktables/GetQuickTables.aspx?FileName=cja01c1.asp&TableName=Homicide+Offences&StatisticalProduct=DB_CJ

Obviously that may not really be completely accurate since it relies on crime detection and prosecution, which may also be going down.

Yeah, but the perception that they're increasing is on the rise!!!!

fryup · 11-01-2014 11:52PM

people can't afford to go out anymore, so they drink at home...and sometimes when too much drink is taken things get messy & rowdy ...and being in a home environment knifes are easy to get hold of ..hence so many stabbings/murders

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 12-01-2014 12:20AM

Piriz wrote: »

I've listed a number of incidents where murder has occurred..whether I have the exact sum or not makes no f*ckin difference..

jesus do you like your information served to you in a pie chart?

Nah, just something better than a wild guess would be nice.

Sir Humphrey Appleby · 12-01-2014 12:21AM

jobyrne30 wrote: »

Doubt any of the recent cases will be deemed to be murder in a court of law. Manslaughter will be the cop-out most will be found guilty of.

"Sorry your honor I got pissed/stoned, I started a fight, I stabbed that other person but it wasn't my fault as I was pissed/stoned, please don't hold me accountable for my actions.......it was the drink/drug I took"

Drunk or on drugs does not lead to mitigation, it is not a defence in law.

woodoo · 12-01-2014 12:22AM

Piriz wrote: »

I watch the news daily if I can and i'm writing to highlight what seems to be an increase in murders in Ireland since Christmas day..

I don't have figures but it is about 10 or more I think since then..

Feuds, stabbings at house parties, the death of the young guy in Tallaght, murder in Irishtown, Finglas,

It's a disgrace!

any thoughts?

There wasn't as many stabbings at house parties a decade ago.. what has changed? What are they taking now. Maybe a decade ago people were mainly taking E's.

juice1304 · 12-01-2014 12:22AM

Terrible Joe it's just terrible, I'm afraid to leave the house.

Piriz · 12-01-2014 12:28AM

Sir Humphrey Appleby wrote: »

Nah, just something better than a wild guess would be nice.

what do you assume im wild guessing about?

in my first post I comment that there has been about 10 murders since Christmas Day... these have been reported in the news..

now its fair to state that due to the incidence of about 9 or 10 murders since Christmas Day that this is higher than normal thus an increase..

Frank Black · 12-01-2014 12:31AM

Piriz wrote: »

I don't have figures

Maybe you should try to get some.

Murder rate has been dropping for decades.

masti123 · 12-01-2014 12:33AM

Statisics don't mean anything, alot of shootings happen without it being reported to the Gardai

Karl Stein · 12-01-2014 12:35AM

I don't think Ireland has ever been safer in the thousands of years people have lived here.

increase in murders...

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