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Just saw this article online
http://www.her.ie/?p=91098&preview=true

Now, some people are calling the picture a fake and a set up, which one would hope it was, rather than have that nonsense going on in public transport. I am not from Dublin and wouldn't use buses much anyway when I am in Dublin, but really... Do the buses not have cameras or the likes of security that does be on the luas to stop this carry on? Is shooting up on buses a done thing now?

MonstaMash

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Just saw this article online
http://www.her.ie/?p=91098&preview=true

Now, some people are calling the picture a fake and a set up, which one would hope it was, rather than have that nonsense going on in public transport. I am not from Dublin and wouldn't use buses much anyway when I am in Dublin, but really... Do the buses not have cameras or the likes of security that does be on the luas to stop this carry on? Is shooting up on buses a done thing now?

It is on route 27 :mad:

Stheno

I've seen it a few times over the years.

Drivers tend to be loathe to intervene

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So what, they'd leave someone there with a syringe in their arm, with ordinary decent people sitting witnessing the entire thing??

MonstaMash

Red line Luas to Cheeverstown can be a hoot also...

SEPT 23 1989

those syringes are very big

olly_mac

No sharps attached to the syringes... tend to think it was staged myself.

Having said that, I have observed iv drug use on buses.

eviltwin

I've seen it happen a few times, its one of the reasons I no longer sit upstairs on the bus. If its not needles its hash or fags. I don't blame the drivers, they are just there to drive a bus, not get involved in a situation that might lead to a serious incident. Guards don't seem to care. My daughter and her friends were mugged on a bus a few months ago by an addict who had been using needles, driver contacted gardai, they never came. We went down to the station to make a statement about it, they knew the guy thanks to Dublin Bus cctv but didn't take it further, more or less told her she was a fool to sit upstairs.

wexie

LexieOnRale wrote: »

So what, they'd leave someone there with a syringe in their arm, with ordinary decent people sitting witnessing the entire thing??

What would you suggest they do? Keeping in mind that they are not armed, not trained to deal with situations like that and more likely than not don't really want to be stabbed with a syringe.

MonstaMash

olly_mac wrote: »

No sharps attached to the syringes... tend to think it was staged myself.

Having said that, I have observed iv drug use on buses.

Either staged or blood filled syringes primed for alternative nefarious purposes...

bumper234

Jaysus a bendy bus!

Toto Wolfcastle

I was on a bus yesterday and someone came down from upstairs and told the driver that there was a syringe upstairs. The driver called it in and they organised a replacement bus that was waiting for us a few stops later. Could have been the bus in the picture.

It seems like it was staged, but even if it was, it highlights a massive problem that Dublin Bus has but refuses to do anything about. Countless times have I seen scumbags drinking out of cans or bottles of alcohol, lighting up joints or just normal cigarettes, and even people getting high. It's absolutely crazy that they essentially condone this kind of behaviour.

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wexie wrote: »

What would you suggest they do? Keeping in mind that they are not armed, not trained to deal with situations like that and more likely than not don't really want to be stabbed with a syringe.

I would suggest they also think of their passengers, and maybe some vulnerable passengers (like the kids that were mugged in a post above) and either call the guards straight away, or drop them off outside the nearest Garda station, like they did with the lady and the crying baby. Why are they even letting those scrotes onto the bus?

MonstaMash

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I would suggest they also think of their passengers, and maybe some vulnerable passengers (like the kids that were mugged in a post above) and either call the guards straight away, or drop them off outside the nearest Garda station, like they did with the lady and the crying baby. Why are they even letting those scrotes onto the bus?

Most of them have state issued disability passes :rolleyes: :mad:

jamesbondings

wexie wrote: »

What would you suggest they do? Keeping in mind that they are not armed, not trained to deal with situations like that and more likely than not don't really want to be stabbed with a syringe.

With recent price hikes id like to see more inspectors. But also security hop on hop off security types. Dublin Bus expect their bus drivers to enforce the rules but having used the bus for the last eight years i can say i dont envy bus drivers and the abuse they seem to get on a daily basis!

Just to put things in perspective. I have used the bus on a daily basis for the last eight years, in those eight years i have been asked to see my ticket from an inspector twice! Ive been on the luas 8-10 times and have been asked for my ticket nearly every time, a presence of any description may stop anti social behaviour on buses.

wexie

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I would suggest they also think of their passengers, and maybe some vulnerable passengers (like the kids that were mugged in a post above) and either call the guards straight away, or drop them off outside the nearest Garda station, like they did with the lady and the crying baby. Why are they even letting those scrotes onto the bus?

I don't think they get much of a choice in who they let on the bus based on looks alone (very slippery slope).

I agree that this isn't acceptable however I can't blame the busdrivers themselves (and I'm no fan of busdrivers in general).

Maybe more manpower is needed on the bus, I doubt Dublin bus have the money for something like that though.

With regards to calling the gards......well.....

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MonstaMash wrote: »

Most of them have state issued disability passes :rolleyes: :mad:

Yes but for the safety of the driver or other passengers if they're under the influence or look under the influence they should not be allowed onto the public transport. See some zombie shuffling towards a bus with dead eyes and track marks up and down his arm he should be told to **** off with himself

olly_mac

MonstaMash wrote: »

Either staged or blood filled syringes primed for alternative nefarious purposes...

The perps of that kind of attack tend to leave the sharps in place. I know this from bitter experience...

Alf Veedersane

MonstaMash wrote: »

Either staged or blood filled syringes primed for alternative nefarious purposes...

+1

There's no way there would be that much blood in a syringe when injecting something intravenously.

LexieOnRale

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I would suggest they also think of their passengers, and maybe some vulnerable passengers (like the kids that were mugged in a post above) and either call the guards straight away, or drop them off outside the nearest Garda station, like they did with the lady and the crying baby. Why are they even letting those scrotes onto the bus?

Because they aren't police or bouncers, or paid enough to take that kind of risk with their own health and safety. Drivers are paid to drive buses, not act as bodyguards for the general public.

Quite obviously, I would have thought.

If there's an answer, it's not in making drivers responsible for everyones behaviour on board.

KTRIC

And the syringes used for intravenous drugs are far smaller than that.

MonstaMash

^ sorry for your troubles olly mac, not a nice thing to happen...

I've been jabbed twice with dirty syringes when I worked retail security, horrific waiting game for HIV results at the time, did wonders for the sex life between me & the missus.

FloatingVoter

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Yes but for the safety of the driver or other passengers if they're under the influence or look under the influence they should not be allowed onto the public transport. See some zombie shuffling towards a bus with dead eyes and track marks up and down his arm he should be told to **** off with himself

There goes the nitelink.

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Candie wrote: »

Because they aren't police or bouncers, or paid enough to take that kind of risk with their own health and safety. Drivers are paid to drive buses, not act as bodyguards for the general public.

Quite obviously, I would have thought.

If there's an answer, it's not in making drivers responsible for everyones behaviour on board.

I agree they aren't bouncers but they should be responsible for their own buses. If they think someone's a danger to the rest of the passengers then they shouldn't be allowed on, especially when they're not paying a fare. This is what's wrong with the country, just find it hard to believe junkies can come onto a bus, shoot up in front of people and not care as they know nobody can stop them

olly_mac

Alf Veedersane wrote: »

+1

There's no way there would be that much blood in a syringe when injecting something intravenously.

You would be surprised at how just a little blood can seem an awful lot when it gets splashed about

wexie

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I agree they aren't bouncers but they should be responsible for their own buses. If they think someone's a danger to the rest of the passengers then they shouldn't be allowed on, especially when they're not paying a fare. This is what's wrong with the country, just find it hard to believe junkies can come onto a bus, shoot up in front of people and not care as they know nobody can stop them

The problem with that is, that if someone's a danger to the other passengers, they're also a danger to the busdriver.

If YOU saw this happening on a bus, would you be happy to confront said 'scrote' and make them get off the bus?

Alf Veedersane

olly_mac wrote: »

You would be surprised at how just a little blood can seem an awful lot when it gets splashed about

I doubt it. That picture shows a relative bloodbath.

Alf Veedersane

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I agree they aren't bouncers but they should be responsible for their own buses.

Why?

They're not getting paid for it and I'm pretty sure most people would volunteer to be a pin cushion for some junkie's syringe so as someone they don't know doesn't have to be.

Dublin Bus should work with the Gardaí and have plain clothes or unfiormed Gardaí board routes that are notorious for this kind of behaviour.

Deleted User

Deleted User wrote: »

Dublin Bus should work with the Gardaí and have plain clothes or unfiormed Gardaí board routes that are notorious for this kind of behaviour.

Best idea yet. Like the US Air Marshalls. Ride incognito and make the anti-social behaviour too risky.

Alf Veedersane

Deleted User wrote: »

Dublin Bus should work with the Gardaí and have plain clothes or unfiormed Gardaí board routes that are notorious for this kind of behaviour.

They barely have the resources to do what they're supposed to be doing as it is without adding that to the To Do list as well.

I do agree but it isn't going to happen.

That said, I would disagree about having them undercover/plain-clothes – it’s a deterrent that’sneeded, not a means of catching any wrongdoers.

Larbre34

Candie wrote: »

Best idea yet. Like the US Air Marshalls. Ride incognito and make the anti-social behaviour too risky.

Hardly, there has been a British Transport Police for years who do nothing else accept monitor stations and vehicles. Im not suggesting we have the resources for that, but perhaps 20 Guards in Dublin as a whole at any one time riding the Bus Train and Luas routes and available to respond to ASB anywhere on the system would make a big difference and save more resources in the long run, so long as the commitment was 24/7

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wexie wrote: »

The problem with that is, that if someone's a danger to the other passengers, they're also a danger to the busdriver.

If YOU saw this happening on a bus, would you be happy to confront said 'scrote' and make them get off the bus?

No but I'm not sitting behind glass

Dravokivich

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Yes but for the safety of the driver or other passengers if they're under the influence or look under the influence they should not be allowed onto the public transport. See some zombie shuffling towards a bus with dead eyes and track marks up and down his arm he should be told to **** off with himself

You can't just exclude people from public transport on a judgement call. If you don't want to mix with the masses, sort out your own transport.

If this wasn't staged there's a few things that stand out to me about it.

1) Drivers are meant to check the bus out between services. If this had been like this for a while the bus should have been taken off. I'd be concerned about the driver...

2) The article makes no reference of direct contact to Dublin Bus. Why? Tagging them on twitter is as useful as pissing against the wind. They must get tagged in hundreds of posts a day. If people are truly shocked and horrified about something, the people you want or need to sort it out won't if you don't tell'em directly.

Polka_Dot

LexieOnRale wrote: »

No but I'm not sitting behind glass

The driver wouldn't be either if they were to properly deal with the situation.

mickydoomsux

The driver should approach someone who is armed with a syringe who is probably out of their mind on gear or just doesn't care about what they do to someone else?

It's long past time that we set up transport police in the capital at least to give these parasites the old wood-shampoo when they do this kind of thing.

"Not letting them on the bus" isn't the answer. How do you judge it, there would be discrimination cases going in within the first hour from scobes looking for a quick buck from a claim.

Does the driver physically stop them from getting on the vehicle? More claims again either from the "yoore hurr-hin me!!!!" brigade or the drivers who get assaulted trying to do their jobs.

eviltwin

Drivers aren't skilled enough to deal with troublemakers, in fairness some try and get dogs abuse for their trouble. I've been on buses where drivers have been racially abused, threatened, had punches and kicks thrown their way...its not fair on the drivers to expect them to step in. Often you have more than one person causing hassle, what do they do then?

Highflyer13

Only a couple of weeks ago a 7 yr old was pricked by a needle on the dart. Where the problem really lies is the rampant heroin epidemic in Dublin City. There's no denying it.

EyeSight

No surprise. Didn't a kid sit on a syringe last month on the DART?
Junkies and scumbags live under an amnesty as far as the law in Dublin is concerned. I rarely see the guards do anything with them, and when they do, the courts leave them go with a warning.

I don't take "lack of resources" as an excuse. Every bank holiday weekend there is a large crackdown on drivers, why can't we do the same every few weeks or months with junkies and scumbags?

Tiddlypeeps

They should have at least a small presence of security on the buses. Even just one or two people who hop on and off a different route or two everyday. This coupled with removing free travel passes from anyone not respecting the system should see it cleaned up fairly quickly. If you cannot respect the system then you certainly shouldn't be given free access to it.

anncoates

LexieOnRale wrote: »

No but I'm not sitting behind glass

Sometimes I think you're not actually a real poster, less a 24 hour bot designed to perpetuate screechy, entitled threads on subjects of interest to middle-class Dubliners.

Gone Drinking

A guy I know posted a picture of a needle on a bus there a few weeks ago, so I'm sure this is genuine.

As for the blood, I know of a landlord who had to pay for a room to be specially cleaned/disinfected after a tenant who disappeared. They went into his room to find bloody spray/spatter and needles all over the place.

anncoates

Tiddlypeeps wrote: »

This coupled with removing free travel passes from anyone not respecting the system should see it cleaned up fairly quickly.

As in delinquent pensioners and disabled people?

jamesbondings

anncoates wrote: »

As in delinquent pensioners and disabled people?

If they cant conduct themselves correctly (ie smoking doing drugs etc) then i dont see the problem.....however i think he was more talking about junkies and ruffians

SimonQuinlank

Deleted User wrote: »

Dublin Bus should work with the Gardaí and have plain clothes or unfiormed Gardaí board routes that are notorious for this kind of behaviour.

Dublin Bus do do this,as do the Luas.Garda friend of mine spent a week doing it (plainclothes) in December on various routes.

That pic looks staged to me also.No pins in the needle and no used swabs,cotton balls or bloody tissue that usually goes hand in hand with discarded syringes.

In the last 10 years I've spent commuting from Clondalkin,Neilstown and Ballyfermot to the City Centre I've never witnessed anything like that,or any hassle besides teenagers playing crap music out loud or someone smoking the odd joint.Do remember seeing some lad shoot up on the 79 back in the 90's though.

anncoates

jamesbondings wrote: »

If they cant conduct themselves correctly (ie smoking doing drugs etc) then i dont see the problem.....however i think he was more talking about junkies and ruffians

Damn ruffians with their Ruffian Travel Pass.

mickydoomsux

anncoates wrote: »

As in delinquent pensioners and disabled people?

I work in public transport.

A lot of people with free travel are alcoholics/addicts (it's a disability!) or the unemployable. This section of the million or so people entitled to All-Ireland free travel are the cause of 100% of the trouble we have.

jamesbondings

mickydoomsux wrote: »

I work in public transport.

A lot of people with free travel are alcoholics/addicts (it's a disability!) or the unemployable. This section of the million or so people entitled to All-Ireland free travel are the cause of 100% of the trouble we have.

Highly doubt that now lets be honest....

Tiddlypeeps

anncoates wrote: »

As in delinquent pensioners and disabled people?

A lot of junkies and alcoholics are classed as disabled because they are unfit for work, so get free travel passes. I see no reason to exempt old and other disabled people from that, although I can't imagine many of them would be effected.

It's not feasible to implement a system where people can be banned, but we can absolutely stop them from using the service for free, making it less likely they will use it as a place to hang out and do drugs.

mickydoomsux

jamesbondings wrote: »

Highly doubt that now lets be honest....

That's nice dear.

I see it every single day.