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Passports

  • 03-01-2014 4:18am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 564 ✭✭✭


    How do passports work? Say I lost a passport. Then got a new one. But the old one is still "looks" like a valid passport. Now I have two passports with an expiry date in 3 and 4 years respectively. Can I use the old one? Say I fly to China. They scan my passport. How do they know it's cancelled. Just curious.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,203 ✭✭✭dodderangler


    Well I'm pretty sure if it's out of date then it's no use at all.
    The old can probably be used for I.d but as for flying I don't think so.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Your old passport number is gone.. It will just show up as invalid/fake in the airport. A land border is a bit different.. I know it would be unlikely to show up on any of the SEA Asia borders.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭PrettyBoy


    I'd imagine that the passport authorities would register it as lost/stolen and therefore it would be void. When scanned it would say it has been cancelled.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 564 ✭✭✭2ygb4cmqetsjhx


    So does this mean that there is a database somewhere that contains a list of all the passports in the world that are currently valid. Like I get a new passport from Ireland. They mark the number as cancelled. How and who transmits this information to say tajikistan or whatever.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,459 ✭✭✭Chucken


    How do passports work? Say I lost a passport. Then got a new one. But the old one is still "looks" like a valid passport. Now I have two passports with an expiry date in 3 and 4 years respectively. Can I use the old one? Say I fly to China. They scan my passport. How do they know it's cancelled. Just curious.

    How can you use the old one if its lost?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    So does this mean that there is a database somewhere that contains a list of all the passports in the world that are currently valid. Like I get a new passport from Ireland. They mark the number as cancelled. How and who transmits this information to say tajikistan or whatever.

    Carrier pigeons.
    No really, they're more efficient than you might think.


  • Posts: 17,378 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Yea I assume there's a list.. Think Interpol. And it doesn't really matter if it extends to a stan country because you can't fly out of Europe with the old one and once your in another country with your new passport, you can't leave on the the old one because there'd be no visa or entry stamp.

    I've got friends here with two passports but they're stuck using whichever one they came to this part of the world on.. Only real way to switch is to get back to a home country.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 117 ✭✭lostdisk


    I know a fella has two passports. Hes a twin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    I've got friends here with two passports but they're stuck using whichever one they came to this part of the world on.. Only real way to switch is to get back to a home country.

    Eh? It doesn't work like that.

    My wife has dual nationality. She uses her Irish one to enter Ireland and her US one to enter the US.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,970 ✭✭✭✭Xavi6


    MadsL wrote: »
    Eh? It doesn't work like that.

    My wife has dual nationality. She uses her Irish one to enter Ireland and her US one to enter the US.

    I've Irish and Australian passports and do the same thing when travelling back and forth.

    No customs lines at either end :cool:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 829 ✭✭✭Eoin247


    MadsL wrote: »
    Eh? It doesn't work like that.

    My wife has dual nationality. She uses her Irish one to enter Ireland and her US one to enter the US.

    I believe he's talking about when you leave the country you must use the same passport. They stamp it to say you have left on such and such a date.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Mat the trasher


    You can get yourself in a spot of bother in some countries if they find you with two passports!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 900 ✭✭✭somuj


    Eoin247 wrote: »
    I believe he's talking about when you leave the country you must use the same passport. They stamp it to say you have left on such and such a date.

    Cant remember the last time I had my passport stamped :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    You can get yourself in a spot of bother in some countries if they find you with two passports!!

    Huh? Which ones?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Mat the trasher


    Its not that its illegal, just they don't like it and might detain you for a question or two.

    Sometimes travel with two Irish Passports.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Its not that its illegal, just they don't like it and might detain you for a question or two.

    Sometimes travel with two Irish Passports.

    How the hell do you have two?? And why?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    somuj wrote: »
    Cant remember the last time I had my passport stamped :P

    You need to get out (of the EU) more...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Mat the trasher


    Split personality!!

    Travel alot, need for visas etc.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Split personality!!

    Travel alot, need for visas etc.

    Ehhh? How do you have two concurrent Irish passports, is that possible?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Mat the trasher


    Yes, you have to apply for them of coarse.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Yes, you have to apply for them of coarse.

    The Irish state let you have two passports? Well paint me blue and call me a banana. I never knew that. Is there a special form?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,534 ✭✭✭SV


    MadsL wrote: »
    You need to get out (of the EU) more...

    Sure everything good is in the EU ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 365 ✭✭Mat the trasher


    Believe it or not most of the people i spoke with at the pasport office were of the same opinion, no there's no form or box to tick on normal one. So I just applied with some cover letter, letter from my company and they issued it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    How do passports work? Say I lost a passport. Then got a new one. But the old one is still "looks" like a valid passport. Now I have two passports with an expiry date in 3 and 4 years respectively. Can I use the old one? Say i I fly to China. They scan my passport. How do they know it's cancelled. Just curious.

    When you complete a passport application form, and your most recent passport was lost or stolen, you have to declare it in front of the Gardai in section 6 of the form.

    When the Passport Office process your application, they will mark your previous passport as lost or stolen. The Passport Office share data on lost and stolen passports with Interpol.

    If you subsequently find said lost passport, and attempt to enter China on it, the authorities there will lock you up in a Chinese holding cell, and you'll be in a world of hurt. :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    MadsL wrote: »
    The Irish state let you have two passports? Well paint me blue and call me a banana. I never knew that. Is there a special form?

    Business people who travel around the world and use up the visa pages on their passport quickly can apply for a second "business" passport, if their company provide them with a letter requesting this.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Santa Cruz


    MadsL wrote: »
    Huh? Which ones?

    You obviously would get away on the stupidity exemption clause.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Santa Cruz wrote: »
    You obviously would get away on the stupidity exemption clause.

    Ermmm...that's nice. I expect you know the answer to everything so which countries forbid you to hold dual nationality of other countries?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    Business people who travel around the world and use up the visa pages on their passport quickly can apply for a second "business" passport, if their company provide them with a letter requesting this.

    I thought you could get the passport 'extended' with more pages, but I do understand if your passport is constantly off getting visas stamped into it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    MadsL wrote: »
    I thought you could get the passport 'extended' with more pages

    Years ago, yes, but not anymore.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    MadsL wrote: »
    Ermmm...that's nice. I expect you know the answer to everything so which countries forbid you to hold dual nationality of other countries?

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multiple_citizenship#Dual_citizenship_by_region


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭minotour


    So does this mean that there is a database somewhere that contains a list of all the passports in the world that are currently valid. Like I get a new passport from Ireland. They mark the number as cancelled. How and who transmits this information to say tajikistan or whatever.

    Close but no, there's a global database of lost/stolen passports which countries border agencies pay a subscription to use, most do it online but there's an offline version for the less developed border crossings. Look at Keesing, they also do currency fraud databases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL



    That's a list of countries that don't let you have a nationality apart from theirs.

    Is there any country that does not let you have two passports from two other countries? That was the question I was asking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭minotour


    MadsL wrote: »
    That's a list of countries that don't let you have a nationality apart from theirs.

    Is there any country that does not let you have two passports from two other countries? That was the question I was asking.

    Being of dual nationality is genetic, it like not being allowed to be a man? Now if your question is what happens if you turn up at a border and say which passport would you like? then you really shouldn't be allowed out in the world on your own.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    minotour wrote: »
    Being of dual nationality is genetic, it like not being allowed to be a man? Now if your question is what happens if you turn up at a border and say which passport would you like? then you really shouldn't be allowed out in the world on your own.

    My questioning was that someone said you could get in trouble for having two passports in some countries. I don't believe that to be true if you are talking about two separate passports for two separate nations (not the country that you are in) and not two passports for the same country.

    Phew!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,089 ✭✭✭marketty


    For some people its necessary to have 2 passports, for example traveling to certain Arab countries it is not desirable to have entry stamps for Israel on your passport, and vice versa


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    minotour wrote: »
    Being of dual nationality is genetic, it like not being allowed to be a man?

    What?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    minotour wrote: »
    Being of dual nationality is genetic

    Not unless you acquired your second nationality through a means other than jus sanguinis. E.g. if you acquired the citizenship of the second country through naturalisation, marriage, or if it were conferred on you as an honour, and you had no "genetic" ties to the second country in question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    MadsL wrote: »
    How the hell do you have two?? And why?

    Getting between Israel/the rest of the Middle East comes to mind. Israel won't let you in with stamps from some countries in the ME and a lot of ME countries won't let you in with stamps from Israel.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    I've Irish and Australian passports and do the same thing when travelling back and forth.

    No customs lines at either end :cool:

    This is illegal under Australian law, don't let them see you have two.


    Sorry, I see they changes the law a few years back to allow dual citizenship...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    I wish I had applied for Irish citizenship now, as in a year or so I could have had three nationalities.

    Irish citizenship is cray cray expensive though...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    MadsL wrote: »
    I wish I had applied for Irish citizenship now, as in a year or so I could have had three nationalities.

    Irish citizenship is cray cray expensive though...

    OT, colour me surprised but I always assumed you were Irish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    P_1 wrote: »
    OT, colour me surprised but I always assumed you were Irish.

    Define "Irish" ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    MadsL wrote: »
    Define "Irish" ;)

    A lover of potatoes and all potato related produce ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    P_1 wrote: »
    A lover of potatoes and all potato related produce ;)

    Ah well...send me my passport with a harp on the cover.

    However...shamefully. Walkers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    MadsL wrote: »
    Ah well...send me my passport with a harp on the cover.

    However...shamefully. Walkers.

    Jeepers, MadsL is actually Gary Lineker :eek::P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    MadsL wrote: »
    My questioning was that someone said you could get in trouble for having two passports in some countries. I don't believe that to be true if you are talking about two separate passports for two separate nations (not the country that you are in) and not two passports for the same country.

    Phew!

    Not officially but It looks as dodgy as **** to have two in some countries. Uncle got pulled on having a US and Irish one in Peru and it cost him a day or two of hassle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    NTMK wrote: »
    Not officially but It looks as dodgy as **** to have two in some countries. Uncle got pulled on having a US and Irish one in Peru and it cost him a day or two of hassle

    I don't see why, you are a citizen of both nations and both nations allow it.

    They should never have changed the British passport design one however, the large stiff Royal Blue one was ideal for slapping minor nations' passport officials with. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    MadsL wrote: »
    I don't see why, you are a citizen of both nations and both nations allow it.

    They should never have changed the British passport design one however, the large stiff Royal Blue one was ideal for slapping minor nations' passport officials with. ;)

    I'd imagine that in a few counties having dual nationality is a bit of an alien concept


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,208 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    MadsL wrote: »
    My questioning was that someone said you could get in trouble for having two passports in some countries. I don't believe that to be true if you are talking about two separate passports for two separate nations (not the country that you are in) and not two passports for the same country.

    Phew!

    You can get hassle for attempting to use a different passport in some countries. E.G. I know of a person that tried to re-enter the Schengen Zone on their US passport but they had exited on their Australian Passport due to losing their US one on their trip.

    Ended up getting put on the next flight back to the US.

    Apparently the should have just gotten an emergency passport to travel back to the US, since there was no record of them leaving on that travel document and it looked like they overstayed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    P_1 wrote: »
    I'd imagine that in a few counties having dual nationality is a bit of an alien concept

    There some places near me (Roswell looking at you) where having an alien nationality is a bit of an dual concept.


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