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Passports

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭minotour


    So does this mean that there is a database somewhere that contains a list of all the passports in the world that are currently valid. Like I get a new passport from Ireland. They mark the number as cancelled. How and who transmits this information to say tajikistan or whatever.

    Close but no, there's a global database of lost/stolen passports which countries border agencies pay a subscription to use, most do it online but there's an offline version for the less developed border crossings. Look at Keesing, they also do currency fraud databases.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL



    That's a list of countries that don't let you have a nationality apart from theirs.

    Is there any country that does not let you have two passports from two other countries? That was the question I was asking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭minotour


    MadsL wrote: »
    That's a list of countries that don't let you have a nationality apart from theirs.

    Is there any country that does not let you have two passports from two other countries? That was the question I was asking.

    Being of dual nationality is genetic, it like not being allowed to be a man? Now if your question is what happens if you turn up at a border and say which passport would you like? then you really shouldn't be allowed out in the world on your own.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    minotour wrote: »
    Being of dual nationality is genetic, it like not being allowed to be a man? Now if your question is what happens if you turn up at a border and say which passport would you like? then you really shouldn't be allowed out in the world on your own.

    My questioning was that someone said you could get in trouble for having two passports in some countries. I don't believe that to be true if you are talking about two separate passports for two separate nations (not the country that you are in) and not two passports for the same country.

    Phew!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭marketty


    For some people its necessary to have 2 passports, for example traveling to certain Arab countries it is not desirable to have entry stamps for Israel on your passport, and vice versa


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    minotour wrote: »
    Being of dual nationality is genetic, it like not being allowed to be a man?

    What?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,375 ✭✭✭DoesNotCompute


    minotour wrote: »
    Being of dual nationality is genetic

    Not unless you acquired your second nationality through a means other than jus sanguinis. E.g. if you acquired the citizenship of the second country through naturalisation, marriage, or if it were conferred on you as an honour, and you had no "genetic" ties to the second country in question.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    MadsL wrote: »
    How the hell do you have two?? And why?

    Getting between Israel/the rest of the Middle East comes to mind. Israel won't let you in with stamps from some countries in the ME and a lot of ME countries won't let you in with stamps from Israel.


  • Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Xavi6 wrote: »
    I've Irish and Australian passports and do the same thing when travelling back and forth.

    No customs lines at either end :cool:

    This is illegal under Australian law, don't let them see you have two.


    Sorry, I see they changes the law a few years back to allow dual citizenship...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    I wish I had applied for Irish citizenship now, as in a year or so I could have had three nationalities.

    Irish citizenship is cray cray expensive though...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    MadsL wrote: »
    I wish I had applied for Irish citizenship now, as in a year or so I could have had three nationalities.

    Irish citizenship is cray cray expensive though...

    OT, colour me surprised but I always assumed you were Irish.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    P_1 wrote: »
    OT, colour me surprised but I always assumed you were Irish.

    Define "Irish" ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    MadsL wrote: »
    Define "Irish" ;)

    A lover of potatoes and all potato related produce ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    P_1 wrote: »
    A lover of potatoes and all potato related produce ;)

    Ah well...send me my passport with a harp on the cover.

    However...shamefully. Walkers.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    MadsL wrote: »
    Ah well...send me my passport with a harp on the cover.

    However...shamefully. Walkers.

    Jeepers, MadsL is actually Gary Lineker :eek::P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    MadsL wrote: »
    My questioning was that someone said you could get in trouble for having two passports in some countries. I don't believe that to be true if you are talking about two separate passports for two separate nations (not the country that you are in) and not two passports for the same country.

    Phew!

    Not officially but It looks as dodgy as **** to have two in some countries. Uncle got pulled on having a US and Irish one in Peru and it cost him a day or two of hassle


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    NTMK wrote: »
    Not officially but It looks as dodgy as **** to have two in some countries. Uncle got pulled on having a US and Irish one in Peru and it cost him a day or two of hassle

    I don't see why, you are a citizen of both nations and both nations allow it.

    They should never have changed the British passport design one however, the large stiff Royal Blue one was ideal for slapping minor nations' passport officials with. ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    MadsL wrote: »
    I don't see why, you are a citizen of both nations and both nations allow it.

    They should never have changed the British passport design one however, the large stiff Royal Blue one was ideal for slapping minor nations' passport officials with. ;)

    I'd imagine that in a few counties having dual nationality is a bit of an alien concept


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    MadsL wrote: »
    My questioning was that someone said you could get in trouble for having two passports in some countries. I don't believe that to be true if you are talking about two separate passports for two separate nations (not the country that you are in) and not two passports for the same country.

    Phew!

    You can get hassle for attempting to use a different passport in some countries. E.G. I know of a person that tried to re-enter the Schengen Zone on their US passport but they had exited on their Australian Passport due to losing their US one on their trip.

    Ended up getting put on the next flight back to the US.

    Apparently the should have just gotten an emergency passport to travel back to the US, since there was no record of them leaving on that travel document and it looked like they overstayed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    P_1 wrote: »
    I'd imagine that in a few counties having dual nationality is a bit of an alien concept

    There some places near me (Roswell looking at you) where having an alien nationality is a bit of an dual concept.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    MadsL wrote: »
    I don't see why, you are a citizen of both nations and both nations allow it.

    They should never have changed the British passport design one however, the large stiff Royal Blue one was ideal for slapping minor nations' passport officials with. ;)

    Reasoning for it in south america is that they're very paranoid about foreigners with Duals cause of drug trafficing apparently. It wont get you thrown in jail or anything its just a pain in the balls to deal with.

    I thought the british replaced slapping passport officials with shouting at them slowly in english :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    MadsL wrote: »
    There some places near me (Roswell looking at you) where having an alien nationality is a bit of an dual concept.



    :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭minotour


    FYI, this issue is the reasoning behind biometric passports to prevent so called visa shopping and deliberate passport fraud. You can have as many documents as you like but you've only got the one set of face and fingerprints. You can see why nations would want this and it is very quickly becoming a reality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 688 ✭✭✭JazzyJ


    You can get hassle for attempting to use a different passport in some countries. E.G. I know of a person that tried to re-enter the Schengen Zone on their US passport but they had exited on their Australian Passport due to losing their US one on their trip.

    Ended up getting put on the next flight back to the US.

    Apparently the should have just gotten an emergency passport to travel back to the US, since there was no record of them leaving on that travel document and it looked like they overstayed.

    Yeah I've US and Irish citizenship, and I recall reading somewhere (probably just a recommendation) a few years back, as a dual citizen, that if you're travelling to and from the US you should use the US passport as the can get finicky. But this has led to tons of hassle going through UK airports when gong from the US to Ireland :mad: ... Coming into Ireland they couldn't care less :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,299 ✭✭✭✭MadsL


    NTMK wrote: »
    Reasoning for it in south america is that they're very paranoid about foreigners with Duals cause of drug trafficing apparently. It wont get you thrown in jail or anything its just a pain in the balls to deal with.

    I thought the british replaced slapping passport officials with shouting at them slowly in english :pac:

    Read the inside of a British pasport.

    Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State Requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.

    Basically verbally slapping officials out of the way :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    Meanwhile the Irish passport states:

    The Minister for Foreign Affairs of Ireland requests all whom it may concern to allow the bearer, a citizen of Ireland, to pass freely and without hindrance and to afford the bearer all necessary assistance and protection

    Seems we're a bit more humble :P


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,575 ✭✭✭NTMK


    MadsL wrote: »
    Read the inside of a British pasport.

    Her Britannic Majesty's Secretary of State Requests and requires in the Name of Her Majesty all those whom it may concern to allow the bearer to pass freely without let or hindrance, and to afford the bearer such assistance and protection as may be necessary.

    Basically verbally slapping officials out of the way :D

    so essentially "Get out of my way you ****".:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,425 ✭✭✭MonstaMash


    You can get yourself in a spot of bother in some countries if they find you with two passports!!
    I've an Irish & French passport myself, never had any trouble re., 2 passports at customs/border crossings etc. & I traveled extensively through the middle east & Africa.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,157 ✭✭✭keithclancy


    Mr.S wrote: »
    Both in the EU though, looks a little bit more weird when you have from say, the US and then one from the EU as you can avail of skipping customs etc etc.

    I didn't think you could skip customs based on your passport, just based on the origin of your flight.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,681 ✭✭✭✭P_1


    I didn't think you could skip customs based on your passport, just based on the origin of your flight.

    I think it depends on the airport. To take Dublin as an example, you have booths for EU and non-EU passport holders. It doesn't matter where your flight landed from, if you have an EU passport you go to the EU passport booth


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