Dublin GAA Discussion Thread MOD WARNING POST #2944

corny

Never big on posters being told what they can and can't post. A far more effective censure would be just ignoring the chap. Just saying.

gormdubhgorm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Had an oul root:

If you want to discuss funding in the GAA especially WRT Dublin then I would suggest heading to this thread- I just think doing it in here will make people annoyed. We had some lad on a rampage last year. A lot of us would not agree with your assertions but we will gladly discuss it in the appropriate forum.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=97127923

I linked to some stuff in there. Initial discussion was back in September when we won our 4th All-Ireland in 33 years.

Here's the first page: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057376771

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Here's some other similar threads that have popped up over time:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=100108568

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057556408

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057540991
[This one ^^^ is a doozy]

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057498235
[As was this^^^]

If anyone wants further info on how the GAA is funded and how it disperses their funds they should read GAAconomics by Michael Moyninhan: https://www.amazon.com/GAAconomics-Secret-Life-Money-GAA-ebook/dp/B00EQ8J11G

It opened my eyes to a few things about the GAA and more importantly dispelled a good few myths!

Stoner

corny wrote:

.Just saying.

So what's your read on McCarthy Corny.

Options
Deveroux brought in
As is, Kilkenny to the halfback line Mannion starting
Daly and small starting with Lowndes
McCaffery back in the squad.

?

BonnieSituation

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Dont see duffy's point. They can obviously afford to employ said coaches en mass and still have multiples to spend that the rest do.

As for it being discussed before, im sure it was, but then im sure diarmuid connolly has been discussed before too, it doesn't mean the cant be again.
Fact is the advantages dublin get are massively relevant, so it will be discussed often. What i dont get is how some dublin fans try to spin it like this is just begrudgery

As I said, discuss away, but you're not gonna get engagement in here about it.

I've done the hard work for you and found some threads where it was discussed previously were people will be happy to engage with ya therein.

LeoB

Past30Now wrote: »

I didn't notice that, but did notice that DC overreacted to the smallest provocation. Gavin's line about players having to stand up for themselves while correct, was unnecessary in this instance. DC should have walked away laughing, no need to drag him down, no need to react.

Donegal, Kerry, Tyrone and any other team we might face will do a lot worse in terms of winding him up and his reaction yesterday only encourages them. The fact that the opposition manager was honest enough to confirm he "is excitable" only confirms what we all know. The opposition will target him. They don't bother with Flynn, Brogan, Macker, Kilkenny etc, because they generally don't react. DC does, so he'll continue being targeted. It's up to him.

Even so, he's still one of the first players picked for every game.

Connolly like every other decent ball player in the GA.A need to get some protection from referees but it doesnt happen. We have seen this down the years with many good forwards, Peter Canavan being 1 who was disgracefully treated. Murphy and McBrearty get quite a reception as does McCurry but at the other end of the field they have team mates who get away with an awful lot, especially the Donegal full back line who have their own rules and seem to intimidate referees. The cynicism needs to be got out of G.A.A irrespective of who is at it.

However Connolly has been targeted by a number of teams as have Gooch and a few others and it is wrong. Connolly will in my opinion go down as one of the finest players we have seen in many years his all round game is unequalled.

It doesnt matter who Dublin play now. They are going to have 2 or 3 right tough games no matter who they get. Tyrone are the team I would fear most. The have 2 or 3 styles and can change their game ploy quite easily with 8 or 9 exceptional ball players from #5 to 12 and then the Sean Kavenagh effect. Mayo are in last chance saloon. They are improving slowly and could cause a few upsets. I say upsets based on how they have struggled a little so far but maybe that is Rochford tinkering with things. Like us a few years ago no point in winning by a cricket score in May/June July and losing by 2 points in August!

The fun is only starting.

LeoB

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Not for the first time the GAA has found itself defending an apparent bias in funding towards Dublin. Figures released in the 2014 financial report show that Dublin received €1.46 million for games development – more than the other 31 counties combined.

Taken from this article:
http://www.irishtimes.com/sport/gaelic-games/dublin-claiming-the-bulk-of-gaa-s-development-funds-1.2091641

It seems both English and Maths are an issue for yourself...

As for 'haunting', you mean dealing in facts backed up with accurate data?
So the truth is haunting you?

Listen, I have no bug-bear with Dublin, they are a fine team, but this denying reality that so many go on with is not going to wash. You seem to want all the funds you can get (and why wouldn't you), yet bristle when any objective analysis points out a, frankly obvious, imbalance in distribution, or that this might have had an effect on the teams development in relation to their competition. You cant have it both ways. If you don't want the extra money being mentioned, stop taking it.

We should be given more money to invest. IT IS BEGRUDGERY.

You dont understand how the system works. And Mr Duffy is no "fan" of Dublin but understands the difficulties faced by a lot of Dublin clubs. Dublin has to handle its own finances because of the size of the Game and the growing GAA culture and spread of the county. That cant be done from an office in Portlaoise so staff are hired to run the games. My club in an area which has seen huge growth in population cant afford a coach so we get a grant from D.C.B and some practical help. Other counties could do the same but their local politics, chairmen interfering) stymies their development and growth so they blame their shortcomings on Dublin.

A simple starting point. Most Dublin clubs dont own their grounds so a lot have to rent ground from council and during bad weather have to hire all weather pitchs which is expensive. Most of the people who criticise Dublin's funding have not a clue of the problems the Dublin county board face in keeping the games afloat in some areas. The county board have been very good to so many clubs helping them out financially to get projects off the ground and people have bought into this ethos over the last 15 years and our games have become stronger. I would say some of our clubs are better ran than some county boards. The is practically no chance of sponsorship in some of Dublin and the county board do all they can to assist in these areas.

There is not the money going into county teams people seem to think. But there are a core of people who despite some serious differences work together for the good of the games development and I have witnessed some right barneys at meetings yet we move on. That is before we take into account the unbelievable commitment from the players. And no not all counties or players put in the same effort as Dublin, a Dublin player takes a sly pint it is on twitter within minutes, not so closer in other counties.

I work with lads from all over the country and the level of back biting (and your lads are fairly good at it) is frightening. Too many lads coming up with theories on high stools instead of getting off their backsides and doing something about it. When you have the level of **** that hit Mayo last year when the managers were dumped it leaves a sour taste and it can spread.

Anyway Dublin GAA is in a fairly healthy state doing a great service for all communities and long may it continue.

The one negative is I would build a new county ground off the M.50 with a few training pitchs and a synthetic pitch.;)

corny

Stoner wrote: »

So what's your read on McCarthy Corny.

Options
Deveroux brought in
As is, Kilkenny to the halfback line Mannion starting
Daly and small starting with Lowndes
McCaffery back in the squad.

?

Bring back Ger Brennan! We could have a good row about where he plays too.;)

No don't really have a strong opinion other than I wouldn't move KK. It"ll probably be Lowndes and Small.

Oh...I know everyone thinks Cian O' Sullivan is king of the sweepers but I still think he's wasted there. Swap him and Small and let O'Sullivan attack like he used to. Won't happen of course.

Stoner

corny wrote:

Bring back Ger Brennan! We could have a good row about where he plays too.

Lol I did mention that in a previous post. I don't know the situation or if he's fit. playing well but either way more cover is required IMO

MayoAreMagic

LeoB wrote: »

We should be given more money to invest. IT IS BEGRUDGERY.

You dont understand how the system works. And Mr Duffy is no "fan" of Dublin but understands the difficulties faced by a lot of Dublin clubs. Dublin has to handle its own finances because of the size of the Game and the growing GAA culture and spread of the county.

Sorry, but that is akin to saying 'poor Bill Gates has to hire his own accountants'. It's a 'problem' that every other county would crawl over hot coals to have. Truth be told it isn't a problem at all, it is just relatively straightforward admin for any business.

Im not sure if you genuinely are too disconnected with the rest of the country to recognise this, or you are just trying to spin it into a sob story to suit yourself. Frankly it is pretty brazen to try to convince people that winning the gaa lotto on around 4 fronts is actually a hardship. I don't think you would swallow it were the shoe on them other foot, so don't expect me to.

As for your take on begrudgery, then surely your refusal to split said money evenly, is you begrudging it to the other 80% of the population on the island? Again, you can spin that a lot of ways.

DoctaDee

If there's to be any rejig of personnel for the quarters it'll be contained within the panel imo. The current crop of players are a multi functional unit and in reality the number on the jersey doesn't really determine their playing positon. Certainly against the more defensive minded teams our wingbacks tend to play more on their 45 than our own.

The bigger loss is Mac not in the team, not the position he's vacated ... but in saying that I wouldn't be handing anyone the 5 jersey just yet

LeoB

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

Sorry, but that is akin to saying 'poor Bill Gates has to hire his own accountants'. It's a 'problem' that every other county would crawl over hot coals to have. Truth be told it isn't a problem at all, it is just relatively straightforward admin for any business.

Im not sure if you genuinely are too disconnected with the rest of the country to recognise this, or you are just trying to spin it into a sob story to suit yourself. Frankly it is pretty brazen to try to convince people that winning the gaa lotto on around 4 fronts is actually a hardship. I don't think you would swallow it were the shoe on them other foot, so don't expect me to.

As for your take on begrudgery, then surely your refusal to split said money evenly, is you begrudging it to the other 80% of the population on the island? Again, you can spin that a lot of ways.

Do you actually have any idea what some clubs are doing on the ground in Dublin? I dont think so. I could put facts here which would frighten the daylights out of people re what some clubs are doing in the communities which will never be mentioned.
I actually think some people are so wrapped up with getting at Dublin they dont look close enough to home to remedy their own situations or at least make them better. A lot of counties say they would crawl over coals!! You might be right but I am not so sure they could as their biggest problems are within their own counties. You know well of various power struggles that go on?.

Im well connected/informed with county teams across the country through work and friends so Im not trying to spin anything to you or anyone else, I dont need to. Have a look around Dublin and the problems encountered by clubs are enormous. Emigration is a huge problem in the country but the GAA can do little about that but they have made a vast difference in some communities which I value a lot more than winning an All -ireland. Thankfully some people in Croke park see it the same way. I would have no problem whatsoever if any area of the country be it Cork, Limerick or a rural provincial town was earmarked by the GAA for special treatment

The spite and vitriol spitted out by some commentators is actually pathetic, especially one from the west and one from the north west. They are only short of crying when Dublin win. You never hear them call for 2 kilkenny hurling teams!!

Bottom line is Dublin GAA is more that football and hurling teams and long may it continue and long may the GAA dig deep to help them.

We do need a more accessible county ground with more parking and facilities.

MayoAreMagic

LeoB wrote: »

Do you actually have any idea what some clubs are doing on the ground in Dublin? I dont think so. I could put facts here which would frighten the daylights out of people re what some clubs are doing in the communities which will never be mentioned.
I actually think some people are so wrapped up with getting at Dublin they dont look close enough to home to remedy their own situations or at least make them better. A lot of counties say they would crawl over coals!! You might be right but I am not so sure they could as their biggest problems are within their own counties. You know well of various power struggles that go on?.

Im well connected/informed with county teams across the country through work and friends so Im not trying to spin anything to you or anyone else, I dont need to. Have a look around Dublin and the problems encountered by clubs are enormous. Emigration is a huge problem in the country but the GAA can do little about that but they have made a vast difference in some communities which I value a lot more than winning an All -ireland. Thankfully some people in Croke park see it the same way. I would have no problem whatsoever if any area of the country be it Cork, Limerick or a rural provincial town was earmarked by the GAA for special treatment

The spite and vitriol spitted out by some commentators is actually pathetic, especially one from the west and one from the north west. They are only short of crying when Dublin win. You never hear them call for 2 kilkenny hurling teams!!

Bottom line is Dublin GAA is more that football and hurling teams and long may it continue and long may the GAA dig deep to help them.

We do need a more accessible county ground with more parking and facilities.

To be honest, i gave you facts and figures to back up an objective point. The above doesnt have any of that. Its just grandstanding.
Im not interested in a shouting match.

MayoAreMagic

LeoB wrote: »

Do you actually have any idea what some clubs are doing on the ground in Dublin? I dont think so. I could put facts here which would frighten the daylights out of people re what some clubs are doing in the communities which will never be mentioned.
I actually think some people are so wrapped up with getting at Dublin they dont look close enough to home to remedy their own situations or at least make them better. A lot of counties say they would crawl over coals!! You might be right but I am not so sure they could as their biggest problems are within their own counties. You know well of various power struggles that go on?.

Im well connected/informed with county teams across the country through work and friends so Im not trying to spin anything to you or anyone else, I dont need to. Have a look around Dublin and the problems encountered by clubs are enormous. Emigration is a huge problem in the country but the GAA can do little about that but they have made a vast difference in some communities which I value a lot more than winning an All -ireland. Thankfully some people in Croke park see it the same way. I would have no problem whatsoever if any area of the country be it Cork, Limerick or a rural provincial town was earmarked by the GAA for special treatment

The spite and vitriol spitted out by some commentators is actually pathetic, especially one from the west and one from the north west. They are only short of crying when Dublin win. You never hear them call for 2 kilkenny hurling teams!!

Bottom line is Dublin GAA is more that football and hurling teams and long may it continue and long may the GAA dig deep to help them.

We do need a more accessible county ground with more parking and facilities.

To be honest, i gave you facts and figures to back up an objective point. The above doesnt have any of that. Its just grandstanding.
Im not interested in a shouting match.

Stoner

DoctaDee wrote:

If there's to be any rejig of personnel for the quarters it'll be contained within the panel imo. The current crop of players are a multi functional unit and in reality the number on the jersey doesn't really determine their playing positon. Certainly against the more defensive minded teams our wingbacks tend to play more on their 45 than our own.

I think that's about right. I could see a forward coming back. Flynn and Kilkenny have the build for it. There is cover for them with Andrews, Mannion and Costello is decent. Also that lad Shane Carthy has played too and is one of those versatile players imo.

Godge

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

To be honest, i gave you facts and figures to back up an objective point. The above doesnt have any of that. Its just grandstanding.
Im not interested in a shouting match.

Some counties spend more money on trips abroad for their county team than they do on their underage scene. The Dublin team fundraise for their holiday abroad.

Gael85

Stoner wrote: »

Lol I did mention that in a previous post. I don't know the situation or if he's fit. playing well but either way more cover is required IMO

Transferred to America for summer

Ted111

Stoner wrote: »

Also that lad Shane Carthy has played too and is one of those versatile players imo.

He's so good there's two of him.

Past30Now

Stoner wrote: »

I think that's about right. I could see a forward coming back. Flynn and Kilkenny have the build for it. There is cover for them with Andrews, Mannion and Costello is decent. Also that lad Shane Carthy has played too and is one of those versatile players imo.

Tomas Brady could do a job. Possibly more suited to the O'Sullivan role and move Cian across to the wing position. Flynn seems the more obvious move, given that he practically plays as a half back from the half forward position.

During the game at the weekend, Cooper was talking Kilkenny through the first 15 minutes of the second half in terms of his positioning.

My choice would be to bring in Mick Fitz, and play Johnny Cooper at wing back. Hopefully this is academic, and McCarthy is on the team on the day.

Slattsy

Very quiet here folks.

How do we expect the Cork v Donegal match to go.
I'd expect Donegal to win, but they're all over the shop these days - they're almost that negative that they're putting points over their own bar

Wouldn't be surprised if Cork kept them honest though.

ProudDUB

I'm away off in Wexico. Haven't a thought in me head, beyond doing the spa and strawbs thang. Are the Rossies and Meath still in it?

GAAman

Slattsy wrote: »

Very quiet here folks.

How do we expect the Cork v Donegal match to go.
I'd expect Donegal to win, but they're all over the shop these days - they're almost that negative that they're putting points over their own bar

Honestly hope cork burn them, the thoughts of another Donegal game would turn your stomach

dog_pig

GAAman wrote: »

Honestly hope cork burn them, the thoughts of another Donegal game would turn your stomach

Ah lads surely ye are over 2014 at this stage?

ProudDUB

dog_pig wrote: »

Ah lads surely ye are over 2014 at this stage?

Are you mad? We're not even remotely over '91 yet.

How Soon Is Now

What do yas reckon will tickets for 1/4 s go on sale after two games on Saturday night or Some stage Sunday or Monday?

I'm in work the weekend dont wanna leave it last minute.

BonnieSituation

ProudDUB wrote: »

Are you mad? We're not even remotely over '91 yet.

I was over 2014 until the final. Gah.

Still not over 2010 mind you.

BonnieSituation

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

What do yas reckon will tickets for 1/4 s go on sale after two games on Saturday night or Some stage Sunday or Monday?

I'm in work the weekend dont wanna leave it last minute.

The Tyrone-Dublin QFs?

Usually happens as soon as they know the opponents.

Afair it was like that last year.

How Soon Is Now

BonnieSituation wrote: »

The Tyrone-Dublin QFs?

Usually happens as soon as they know the opponents.

Afair it was like that last year.

Ya im thinking it might go on sale Saturday night Sunday morning at latest.

LeoB

MayoAreMagic wrote: »

To be honest, i gave you facts and figures to back up an objective point. The above doesnt have any of that. Its just grandstanding.
Im not interested in a shouting match.

You can make figures read whatever way you want. FACT Ask any bankers of the last decade.

I wouldnt grandstand over what Dublin do with their money. I dont need a shouting match with you or anyone else but I know and see what is happening on the ground In Dublin suburbs and it is vital in some of these communities it continues. That is where a lot of funding goes. Unfortunately a lot of people dont want to hear this but sadly it is a fact, indisputable.

My other points are all valid. You like facts and figures so take one and compare land rent rates in any county in comparison to Dublin. You will then just one reason why the funding is so important.

Anyway I think most people just like to knock the Dubs.

Kavrocks

How Soon Is Now wrote: »

What do yas reckon will tickets for 1/4 s go on sale after two games on Saturday night or Some stage Sunday or Monday?

I'm in work the weekend dont wanna leave it last minute.

If Cork and Mayo win tickets will go on sale at 9pm on Saturday, otherwise they'll go on sale at full time of the second game because the GAA want to gives fans at the matches a chance to buy them before the bandwagoners.

BonnieSituation

So Donegal it is...